# The Ellusive a1 , MX412,MX413 ???? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 5, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-ellusive-a1-mx412-mx413/57758 "2013-01-05T07:34:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hypno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hypno](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hypno)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-ellusive-a1-mx412-mx413/57758/1 "2013-01-05T07:34:11Z")
I’m Getting confused .(not hard).😕 Ive been reading posts on A1 ,which i believe is not in production any more,correct me if i’m wrong. 1, Are the MX412 and MX413 the replacements because of the depression effects?. 2, Whats the difference in [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) and neroli ?. Iv’e just orderd the pair in togo. What dosage should i go for and with which other mones. I’m going to do some testing on the younger ladies and this maybe the missing link i was looking for. Your own experiences will be appreciated especially if your in your 40’s. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2013, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-ellusive-a1-mx412-mx413/57758/2 "2013-01-05T09:47:46Z")
You get A1 elsewhere, not here. The long discontinued IFM was the A1 based product sold here. The reasons for discontinuation have been done to death already, really! 1 - Its an experimental alternative to A1 alone, not a replacement for IFM, works well in some ways but not in others. Its an excellent comfort mix and none moderator but lacks the crushy/yearning/fallout effects on repeated exposure that are many guys primary reason for using A1 2 - The smell and diffusion properties. Both are good but different. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-ellusive-a1-mx412-mx413/57758/3 "2013-01-07T17:39:18Z")
Ah A1, I tell ya that substance has got to be one of the most controversial substances out in phero land. But AD did a good job with MX412 and MX413. They couldn’t quite replicate the crushy effects as Mobo stated but the self effects are waaaaay better than A1’s. Keep us posted on your progress.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2013, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-ellusive-a1-mx412-mx413/57758/4 "2013-01-08T02:09:50Z")
> [@hypno](#): > > Iv’e just orderd the pair in togo. What dosage should i go for and with which other mones. The best thing to do here is search out K-Train’s excellent “A1 Guide” thread - Which has about the best practical info on mixing and using A1 anywhere and the “A1 Mix Repository” thread has a huge range of mixes to research. The MXs will still be practical in a lot of them. 🙂