# The Evolution of Pheromones - MX edition **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [May 19, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093 "2009-05-19T00:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2009, 7:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/141 "2009-09-11T07:52:59Z")
For the first hour at the party, I noticed unusual behavior from those who had never met me. A wariness to my warm and outgoing nature. Almost like they felt I was being false. Eventually this calmed into a natural state, and I went on an adventure to a rooftop patio with two cute girls and one guy. We shot the shit, chatted and I was reveling in humour, non stop jabs puns and sexual innuendo that they enjoyed. After these girls left I sprayed one spray of ammo and met with a friend. We went out to meet girls, and he opened a set. Again the girls were vocal, loudly describing sexual topics with humour. However when sexually initiated they were guarded. I did initiate sexual escalation quickly, I think the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) had a self effect stronger than physical external effects. This mix certainly allowed for vocal sexual displays. I sprayed three sprays of IO:83 and hung out with these girls for a bit. They had asked if we were gay on meeting them, and we joked about it. However, they did not let it go and kept referring to it the whole interaction. Later I was walking home and met three girls going the same direction as me. We walked to a diner and had cheeseburgers these girls were talking and joking endlessly. I walked them home, and again all sexual escalation was guarded against. I think that the mix was telegraphing the sexual escalation too far in advance and made the manuevers seem cheap. This is why something like MEO-EST may be useful in mix with P83. I also noticed that the girls who were sexually guarded were making negative comments and teases about my appearance. They would point out if I had holes in my clothing, moles on my face, etc. This is not something that usually happens, and I can attribute it to a quality mentioned by Diane in her description of P83 that I had never noticed before this test. A minimal form of anxiety. I am curious to try out P86, as I seem to recall it having “attractive” making characteristics, and i’m wondering what the difference between the two putatives are. Understanding of course, that no number has anything to do with another. For the last week I had stopped my regular morning drink of Greens+ Extra Energy. I am feeling lethargic and miss the boost that gave me extra motivation to go about my day. Time to restock!!! ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/142 "2009-09-12T00:02:05Z")
Going out tonight with two wings, geniusbabe and my good friend to a casino fundraiser (blackjack, roulette, etc) I’m going to start with 100mcg of MEO-EST combined with one drop of a314. Today I noticed the uplifting, at times humourous combination of TAF with A314. Today I used 10mcg of TAF and they really go together quite well. Perhaps it’s because I have the LS A314 (no scent) and the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) TAF (Original A314 scent) that I think they match so well. I have noticed euphoria, humour and bonding. At times I get spacey with A314 on when doing repetitive tasks, with TAF on those gaps were few. I have not noticed any significant change in focus and attention nor any overwhelming sensations as mentioned by other users of TAF. For physical sensations, I have noticed a very occasional pressure on the eyeballs. Self effects have been an upbeat background soundtrack, positive outlook and what seems to be a general amplification of my personality. Celebrating 500 posts!!! Cheers everyone!!! Have a pherobrew 😃 ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 5:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/143 "2009-09-13T17:34:07Z")
Testing of MEO-EST Once at 50mcg Once at 100mcg Once at 150mcg Self effect very evident to external effects. Strong feelings of happiness, contentment, security of being. Intrigue from females “Who is this guy?” and they also seem to pick up the conversation to continue it when it stalls. They want to stay around me and value my opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Mco-gnv](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mco-gnv/32/229_2.png) [@Mco-gnv](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mco-gnv)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/144 "2009-09-13T20:07:47Z")
I was testing out 120 mg meo-est too and I found girls picking up the conversation to be something that happened with me as well ---
**Author:** ![sigil.tech](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sigil.tech/32/2357_2.png) [@sigil.tech](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigil.tech)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/145 "2009-09-13T23:56:11Z")
Hrmmmmm… This one sounds like it bears investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/146 "2009-09-13T23:59:02Z")
> [@sigil.tech](#): > > Hrmmmmm… This one sounds like it bears investigation. Seriously, Meo-Est at ~100 and up is AMAZING. Makes everyone feel all comfortable and happy and pairs really well with things like TAC or P83. Found out yesterday Meo-Est at 150 mcg with 50 P83 and 5 mcg [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) does more than hit a home run, it is a total out of the park grand slam! ---
**Author:** ![sigil.tech](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sigil.tech/32/2357_2.png) [@sigil.tech](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigil.tech)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/147 "2009-09-14T00:05:35Z")
Hmmmmmm… I am skittish of p83 at the moment, I think I used it in the entirely wrong context. I think I ruined it by going overboard later in the evening… But how does this MEO EST seem to perform when causing people to form groups? Like, do people seem to gather, with their body language, into groups of a certain number, how they identify themselves as a group, etc., etc.? ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/148 "2009-09-14T00:25:35Z")
> [@sigil.tech](#): > > Hmmmmmm… I am skittish of p83 at the moment, I think I used it in the entirely wrong context. I think I ruined it by going overboard later in the evening… > > But how does this MEO EST seem to perform when causing people to form groups? Like, do people seem to gather, with their body language, into groups of a certain number, how they identify themselves as a group, etc., etc.? Meo-Est seems to have some bonding qualities in the sense that anyone in the phero cloud (based on my own experiences) feels more like part of something bigger than themselves. Guys tend to do guy stuff (chest bumps and high fives) and women tend to get touchy feely with whomever is wearing it but it also makes them more relaxed. It isn’t like people square up into the Sharks and the Jets based on who’s in the phero cloud or not. Everyone just seems to relax and focus on being happy. That is where [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) comes in. Meo-Est seems to be relaxing and uplifting (in a similar way to P96 but P96 REALLY seems to have a bonding affect) and the P83 is disinhibiting so people are more likely to act on feeling good. Not to mention the fact that P83 (again based on my experiences) tends to add a human velcro effect that adds to the touchy feelies and feel good experiences of everyone. ---
**Author:** ![sigil.tech](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sigil.tech/32/2357_2.png) [@sigil.tech](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigil.tech)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/149 "2009-09-14T00:45:30Z")
Excellent. Add another product to the wish list. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/150 "2009-09-14T00:57:04Z")
> [@sigil.tech](#): > > Excellent. Add another product to the wish list. The only downside to Meo-Est is that it seems to become effective at VERY high doses (and that can get expensive). I have mine at 50 mcg per spray in Grapefruit and the Grapefruit works very well on its own as a scent. Originally it smells like you just sprayed yourself with a grapefruit but after it dries down, any woman close enough to smell it (ie- VERYclose) LOVES it. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/151 "2009-09-14T01:53:16Z")
You know sigil, As I understand it, you have been unscientific in your approach to the usage of pheromones in following your desires to have the most incredible results possible. The way I have found success with pheromones has not been in the “spray as much as you can and hope for the best” way. I find that by mixing this way, and when added mixes from a togo in field, it has the effect of “muddying” the mix. This results in not knowing which pheromone has which effect and lowering the potential effect of the pheromones you are wearing by confusing the target with too many signals. Think of each pheromone as a request by yourself for the target to act in that manner. By overloading the person with requests, “Be talkative! Be flirty! Now be sexual! Laugh! Have fun! Now touch my balls!” all at the same time they can get very confused and may do nothing at all. The comparison to hypnotism and pheromone use is very intriguing, and I view pheromones at times as suggestions, not commands. > [@](#): > > But how does this MEO EST seem to perform when causing people to form groups? Like, do people seem to gather, with their body language, into groups of a certain number, how they identify themselves as a group, etc., etc.? This question is fascinating, and I think that the transpersonal potential of a pheromone is certainly something worthy of consideration. You are very very observant Sigil.Tech. You remind me of Bees, and their communication with pheromones. Aside: Switching to primarily meat diet. I have also altered my workout schedule and regimen. Decisions based on postings from the [4 Hour Work Week Blog](http://www.fourhourworkweek.com) ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/152 "2009-09-14T02:00:16Z")
Excellent insight! I hadn’t really thought of pheros in that way but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![sigil.tech](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sigil.tech/32/2357_2.png) [@sigil.tech](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigil.tech)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/153 "2009-09-14T02:17:34Z")
Thanks for the advice, evolver, I truly appreciate it and agree. My pack came over tonight and we discussed the topic. It makes sense to document this much better. I am someone who always hits a hobby kinda nutty all over the place at first… However, this hobby is incredibly worthy of the effort of discipline. Now is the time to pay close attention, then. Thanks for thinking me observant, not sure as if I see myself as that, just ADD. 😛 Tangents come easy for me. LOL. Thanks, friend. I will consider the wisdom you have offered me. To Victory! ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/154 "2009-09-14T06:17:12Z")
You’re welcome! I think we are all here to reach for our full potential. Today I went with GeniusBabe to an outdoor party. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) + IH mix. I find this mix very “light” compared to an androstenone mix which I consider “heavy”. It’s subtle, and the changes it makes are significant yet not obvious. We had discussions at length in a couple and in groups. One of my friends remarked that “She hypnotized him with her speech and body language”. The woman has intensity, passion and loves discovering new people. We talked about our feelings together, openly and she commented about our previous meeting when I had used the P74 + IH mix. She said that then I had made her feel butterflies in her stomach. She had planned many things she wanted to say to me, and when she saw me that all got replaced with a wonderful nervous energy of a new experience. ---
**Author:** ![sigil.tech](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sigil.tech/32/2357_2.png) [@sigil.tech](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigil.tech)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/155 "2009-09-14T06:44:36Z")
Wow. And see here I was going way overboard and trying to issue it command style… Suggestions, the subtle whisper in the right ear… Hrmmm… Something to ponder. Evolver, congrats, and thanks for sharing these. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/156 "2009-09-17T13:19:31Z")
Sigil.tech, I am always happy to share what I have learned with you, and it may not always be true for everyone. I recently had a friend test out Ammo by giving him my bottle of the old scented Ammo to try at his work. He works in an expensive restaurant with HOT HOT babes that he occasionally parties with, and also likes to go out and practice his social interactions with others. When I last talked to him, he asked to have some to-go bottles added to my order. He had been having lots of success with Ammo (2x), and wanted to try some new ones. I gave him his order the other day with a Spaceland to-go, and he really enjoyed using it. Another happy pherouser. I have also given out some of my Raw Power to-go’s to my friends who have some pheromone experience. One of them had tried “Realm for Men” from LS, as well as an oil based pheromone and had noticed some effects. I’m hoping this will make an impact on him. I gave him MX316, and I gave a friend MX313 who will be travelling to Europe and has used Androtics pheromones. I will report back once they send me a write up of their experiences. (when the bottles are finished) To note: I have shaved my nostril hair. This was mentioned in The Game as part of hygiene. You may find it funny, however I find my breathing improved. Especially with the sneezy Akuto. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/157 "2009-09-17T17:03:22Z")
Evolver, nasal hair (and snot, for that matter) have a very important function of filtering bacteria, dust, fungus and other crap out of the air. So I hope you haven’t shaved your nasal hair completely. I do trim my nasal hair, but I don’t shave it. I also shave the hair growing out of my ears. Just be thankful you only have to do your nose. ---
**Author:** ![sigil.tech](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sigil.tech/32/2357_2.png) [@sigil.tech](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigil.tech)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/158 "2009-09-17T22:14:45Z")
Ah, frank discussion among interesting people. And no, no nose hair advice from me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/159 "2009-09-19T20:30:45Z")
**A314 + TAF + MX315 (RAW POWER) + P79** 1 drop, 2 sprays, 2 sprays, 1 spray, respectively. T +00:05h Scent mixed well. Akuto (The TAF) and the musks in MX315 fit nicely. Took 2 pills of Aniracetam for improved focus at gym. T +00:15h Subway. One big “sniff” / snort from an older latino woman. T +00:30h Arrived at a crowded gym in the morning, big smiles and waves from the three girls at the front desk. Got changed and started workout. After jumping jacks noted elevated heart rate beyond normal range. T +00:45h On all exercises strength has decreased since last session. I had equal or lower reps of the same weights. Expected to have regular linear strength progression as planned, and as in the past. Last workout was with a partner and this one is solo. Seems like it was due to mental rather than physical reasons. At the time, I questioned whether the pheromones were assisting in the exercise and hypothesized I could be neglecting to exert full range of strength due to pheromones. T +00:50h Reached peak lift while doing squats (to failure) and had immense rush of blood to head. Tunnel vision lasting 2 seconds. Overwhelmed by scent/pheros and physical shock. Sat down. T +01:10h Went outside and met with an aquaintance, female, smoker. Light conversation followed by my immediate sexual topic change. I must of been horny. Sex toys were discussed with no issue. T +01:20h Arrived at sex shop alone. Guy about my age behind the counter is overly friendly and assists me while many other couples wander the store. I do not seem him address anyone else unless they are purchasing at the counter. He comes out and asks me if i’m looking for anything. He could be gay. I tell him what i’m looking for (a riding crop) and he shows me where they are. “Scream if you need anything!” he says as he saunters away. T +02:00h Arrived at second sex shop. Middle aged man gives me tour of the store, repeatedly stops by me to ask if I found what I wanted. Overly helpful. Points out all the toys and asks me if I want to see the paddles, want to see the floggers, etc. Purchased a riding crop. Woman at counter bends over to package my crop. Yum. xx T +02:30h Subway on the way home. Sit next to a girl with headphones on who completely ignores me. Cute brunette stands in aisle next to me when she gets on the metro, and stands facing the opposite way with her butt pointing into my field of vision. Stays there and gets closer. We both leave at the main stop, and she turns to go in the opposite direction as I, and then ends up at the same stairwell as me. I strike up a conversation to determine her age. 19, French, blue eyes. She says she was standing next to me, and was annoyed at me because my music was blasting, but it was the other girl with headphones. Could be androstenone frustration, although I wasn’t feeling any frustration at that point. The self effects of the raw power packs have evened out to me. I still experience good posture, slight tension in jaw (exaggerated from normal jaw tension due to dentistry history), and confidence. T +02:35h Still with the girl, I bump into a friend. She goes to continue but stops and waits for me. T +03:30h On the subway again, see a beautiful girl in a summer dress kiss her boyfriend. I’m very empathetic to this act and it becomes highly erotic. (Could be A314 in the mix) T +04:20h Arrived at home. Conclusion: Akuto scent package too strong for heavy physical exercise. TAF should come with “do not operate heavy machinery” warning. Focus of TAF improved with P79. The effects of this mix are what I expected from MX302 - MX301 after personal testing. Subtle yet powerful mix that stays strong. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093/160 "2009-09-23T13:52:51Z")
I thought I would add in another story from New York. I was walking to a party near my apartment on 10th ave with a friend of mine. Along the way, a beautiful jewish girl sat on the steps of her apartment, looking lonely and staring down the street. A tatoo of a dragon shone out on her deliciously shaped legs that led up to broad, womanly hips topped with a light summer blouse that concealed an ample bosum. I approach. “I love your tattoo. A dragon. I love women who are artistic.” “Thank you!” she gushed. “Look, I also have a tiger.” She pointed to her back. “And a sailboat!!!” she pointed to her her tummy revealing the tattoo. “Do you know how to get to so-and-so?” I asked. We exchanged pleasantries, where we are from, etc. However, my friend was in a hurry. “You should come with us!” I stated smiling broadly. “I wish I could…here have my number!!!” I grabbed her number, sent her a text, and waved as I walked away. Wearing MX292, 2 sprays. five minutes later…text. Jewish girl: You are a lover boy… Me: Thank you. Me: I’m really looking forward to sharing some time with you JG: Me too. she called me later that night. we made plans. skip to the day we met up. MX292 2 sprays + IH + A314 She kissed me right away. We walked holding hands like giddy children. She declared that she loved me. We made out about once a block. We wandered around new york until I brought her home. She then gives me a sob story about how her father died. She cries. _facepalm_ She’s trying to kill the mood. I get her to my bed. Her body, glorious. Her face sensual and calm. Her mood- NO, GTFO. No sex, just soft delicious kisses from the most tasty lips… I wish her goodbye. She says she wants to visit me for a week… Wild Wild Women. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093.md?page=7) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-evolution-of-pheromones-mx-edition/29093.md?page=9)