# the final word on IG -- does it just get you friends **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 2, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428 "2012-12-02T00:30:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/1 "2012-12-02T00:30:43Z")
If you’re the type of guy who is naturally friended by women because your older, short, and fat will IG turn you into a charismastic man who can seduce them or is it too social and not sexual enough? I hear all kinds of messages on IG and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and everyone says ammo is more sexual yet some of us can’t make dick happen with ammo. How do you explain that? Congruency problems? If your naturally shy will ammo make you talk better? I don’t think so. Will ammo give you more confidence to talk and say the right things, I don’t think so. yet I have found IG and p75 and a314 make me summon my true self much better . Self effects are huge. But will it just turn you into a guy whose considered the “nice guy” old fart who holds doors open for everyone? After all that is what gentlemen do… and nice guys finish last. Finally I hear all this talk about attration vs comfort but no real elabortion on it.. How do you know when to use products for attraction and WHEN to switch them up to comfort products? And once you switch to comfort products do you never go back to attraction products? ---
**Author:** ![alexjustdoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexjustdoit/32/5176_2.png) [@alexjustdoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alexjustdoit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/2 "2012-12-02T01:18:09Z")
Not sure about the attraction vs comfort part, but as far as IG goes and being the nice guy who finishes last, in the end its totally up to you how you play it. I wear IG a lot, but I’m definitely not the nice guy who finishes last, and I definitely dont play it that way. You can be a nice guy who still is a hit with the ladies and gets all the women, just play IG to your advantage and go get what you want. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/3 "2012-12-02T01:38:20Z")
For me. Instant Clint Eastwood vibe. Low voice, calm and matter of fact. I use it just for those effects…and a little goes a lonnnggggg way. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/4 "2012-12-02T06:12:53Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > For me. Instant Clint Eastwood vibe. Low voice, calm and matter of fact. I use it just for those effects…and a little goes a lonnnggggg way. Clint is not an attractive man by any standards. More people think he’s more of a fighter and standoffish guy than someone to fall head over heels for… This is getting scary… 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 6:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/5 "2012-12-02T06:13:47Z")
> [@alexjustdoit](#): > > Not sure about the attraction vs comfort part, but as far as IG goes and being the nice guy who finishes last, in the end its totally up to you how you play it. I wear IG a lot, but I’m definitely not the nice guy who finishes last, and I definitely dont play it that way. > > You can be a nice guy who still is a hit with the ladies and gets all the women, just play IG to your advantage and go get what you want. Give me more details on your age build etc.. Also do you mix it with anything, and who does it attract for you ? What nationality of women, age etc… ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 10:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/6 "2012-12-02T10:54:40Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > If you’re the type of guy who is naturally friended by women because your older, short, and fat will IG turn you into a charismastic man who can seduce them or is it too social and not sexual enough? > > I hear all kinds of messages on IG and Ammo and everyone says ammo is more sexual yet some of us can’t make dick happen with ammo. How do you explain that? Congruency problems? > > If your naturally shy will ammo make you talk better? I don’t think so. Will ammo give you more confidence to talk and say the right things, I don’t think so. > > yet I have found IG and p75 and a314 make me summon my true self much better . Self effects are huge. > > But will it just turn you into a guy whose considered the “nice guy” old fart who holds doors open for everyone? > > After all that is what gentlemen do… and nice guys finish last. > > Finally I hear all this talk about attration vs comfort but no real elabortion on it.. How do you know when to use products for attraction and WHEN to switch them up to comfort products? And once you switch to comfort products do you never go back to attraction products? IG is definitely not a friend zone maker, I had the best reactions and sexual responses from 3-5 sprays IG with 1 spray regular AMMO. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/7 "2012-12-02T12:55:51Z")
Borrowed from the Pherolibrary: > [@](#): > > Androsterone makes the wearer appear to be more masculine and/or dominant, but without the aggression of androstenone. Androsterone also creates an aura of safety, protection and reliability normally associated with a more peaceful alpha male. Androsterone also provides the respect of androstenone without the possible negative connotations of the aggressive nature of androstenone. So yeah…Clint Eastwood. Like I mentioned. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/8 "2012-12-02T14:11:53Z")
Tell me if this makes sense… AMMO is the only product that has actually gotten me laid. Now, I’m a real believer in IS. IS, IH and Androsterone can all help with status as a male provider. What’s the difference between a good male provider and a mating partner: the latter displays a high level of biological fitness and sexual fitness. I don’t think there is such a thing as a truly sexual mix without some NONE in it. It could be as little as 1 mcg. It could be a half or full spray of TUTH or AMMO. Yes, they’d go fine with IO, IS and maybe even IG. IG is a Social or status product. I think it’s always been marketed as such. It’s not, by itself, a sexual product. What’s the difference between friendzone and a sexual mix? It could be as simple as having just the right amount of NONE. Every woman will be different. Some could overreact to 2 mcg, and some like and desire more. I have been testing my double-strength AMMO by removing the cap and applying just a drop. I have to think this plus IS is great for the daytime. You can Always add a drop or to more to turn up the heat. You can take it off your wrist if the NONE response is negative. Keep the socials on your neck, hair, etc. Final word…I’m pretty sure IG with AMMO and TUTH can get you more than friends, and AMMO by itself can. I’m not saying AMMO Can’t, I’m just saying the conventional wisdom is that sex mixes need some NONE. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/9 "2012-12-02T14:25:29Z")
Guys I’ll give IG Ammo combo a try… Some have said user summer ammo… I wonder if you could tell me what age range of woman you attract with 3 sprays IG and 1 spray reg ammo? Also I assume summer ammo just gets even younger girls and kills anxiety even more. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/10 "2012-12-02T14:30:20Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Guys I’ll give IG Ammo combo a try… Some have said user summer ammo… I wonder if you could tell me what age range of woman you attract with 3 sprays IG and 1 spray reg ammo? > > Also I assume summer ammo just gets even younger girls and kills anxiety even more. It depends what a particular woman is after in a man. Some want fun times, some want security and a stable relationship etc. You need to use socials and build rapport with a woman to find that out first. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/11 "2012-12-02T15:00:48Z")
P51Mustang had this to say: " **Instant Gentleman:** [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) another product by AD that is a heavier base of Androsterone. There have been comparisons to [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) as being the “big brother” of the more serious and stern product. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) has a sexy quality about it that gives it preference in social situations with some members. The warmth of the effect the [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) offers gives less of an authoritative vibe yet still giving the respectability. This gives the user the vibe of “Prince Charming”. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) users have reported a respect vibe along with a sexy and fun aspect. For those who like [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) but do not have any social or sexual additions to add onto [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) , [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is a great alternative." > [@Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/updated-androticsdirect-pheromones-for-newbies/39802): > > AD offers a wide array of pheromones out there. There’s been more and more new users asking about products and what not. To start off here are some basic guides for pheromones. This is a great writeup by Steve O to test pheromones out that you receive. [How to find your sweet spot… - PheroTalk Pheromone Research Forum](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-find-sweet-spot/55943)[http://www.pheromonetalk.com/introductions-new-users-say-hello-today/introduction-](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/about-the-introductions-new-users-say-hello-category/189702)[pheromones-names-size-strength-use-46373.html](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012) Here is also a guide to the molecules by toilofd… Both IG and A314 have heavy Androsterone. However, only A314 has NONE. AMMO also has NONE. Could be what you really want is A314. You could also add a little AMMO with it to increase the NONE and sterONE. IIRC, AMMO had ANOL, NONE and erONE, and IG is primarily erONE. The idea behind AMMO and A314, ASFAIK, is that they’re both NONE products intended to have a sexual hint to them…and to keep you from the dreaded FZ. Seems like three sprays of IG would make you seem like Dear Old Dad, which might not be the best bet for women under thirty unless you are also quite young. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/12 "2012-12-02T16:43:29Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > P51Mustang had this to say: > " **Instant Gentleman:** [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) another product by AD that is a heavier base of Androsterone. There have been comparisons to [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) as being the “big brother” of the more serious and stern product. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) has a sexy quality about it that gives it preference in social situations with some members. The warmth of the effect the [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) offers gives less of an authoritative vibe yet still giving the respectability. This gives the user the vibe of “Prince Charming”. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) users have reported a respect vibe along with a sexy and fun aspect. For those who like [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) but do not have any social or sexual additions to add onto [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) , [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) is a great alternative." > [Updated AndroticsDirect Pheromones for newbies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/updated-androticsdirect-pheromones-for-newbies/39802) > > Both IG and A314 have heavy Androsterone. However, only A314 has NONE. AMMO also has NONE. Could be what you really want is A314. You could also add a little AMMO with it to increase the NONE and sterONE. IIRC, AMMO had ANOL, NONE and erONE, and IG is primarily erONE. The idea behind AMMO and A314, ASFAIK, is that they’re both NONE products intended to have a sexual hint to them…and to keep you from the dreaded FZ. Seems like three sprays of IG would make you seem like Dear Old Dad, which might not be the best bet for women under thirty unless you are also quite young. I’m over 35 and the woman I date are in their 20’s some early 20’s. how much IG would you recommend.. A314 is too mature a vibe for them. Ammo by itself is more for clubbing and parties. For an afternoon ata family restaurant what would you recommend? ---
**Author:** ![the\_one](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/fbc32d/32.png) [@the\_one](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/the_one)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/13 "2012-12-02T16:57:09Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I’m over 35 and the woman I date are in their 20’s some early 20’s. how much IG would you recommend.. A314 is too mature a vibe for them. Ammo by itself is more for clubbing and parties. For an afternoon ata family restaurant what would you recommend? IG will send out a more mature signal than A314. You say you’re over 35, but type like you are in your teens. No offense, just pointing that out. Just from what I’ve seen you write, you could consider a spray of Ammo along with a spray or two or IG followed by a dash of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). That’d be my recommendation. A314 will up your status quo. It’s a fantastic product. It’s also another product you can over coat with a spray of IG to signal a bit more maturity. ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/14 "2012-12-02T17:01:12Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I’m over 35 and the woman I date are in their 20’s some early 20’s. how much IG would you recommend.. A314 is too mature a vibe for them. Ammo by itself is more for clubbing and parties. For an afternoon ata family restaurant what would you recommend? IG will send out a more mature signal than A314. You say you’re over 35, but type like you are in your teens. No offense, just pointing that out. Just from what I’ve seen you write, you could consider a spray of Ammo along with a spray or two or IG followed by a dash of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). That’d be my recommendation. A314 will up your status quo. It’s a fantastic product. It’s also another product you can over coat with a spray of IG to signal a bit more maturity. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/15 "2012-12-02T17:05:33Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > IG will send out a more mature signal than A314. You say you’re over 35, but type like you are in your teens. No offense, just pointing that out. > > Just from what I’ve seen you write, you could consider a spray of Ammo along with a spray or two or IG followed by a dash of Instant Shine. > > That’d be my recommendation. > > A314 will up your status quo. It’s a fantastic product. It’s also another product you can over coat with a spray of IG to signal a bit more maturity. haha yes I type like I’m in my teens.. Do a lot of texting with younger people and they use shortcuts all de time. Well I’ll give that a shot . Ammo IG IS… strange combo, haven’t heard many people report on it.😮 ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/16 "2012-12-02T17:23:22Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > haha yes I type like I’m in my teens.. Do a lot of texting with younger people and they use shortcuts all de time. > > Well I’ll give that a shot . **Ammo IG IS… strange combo, haven’t heard many people report on it.** 😮 Trust me, it’s great and you’ll notice good things from it…if I read you correctly, which I’m pretty sure I did. 🙂 1 full spray of Ammo between wrists 1 of IG between wrists and 1 to chest 1 spray of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to chest Maybe a spritz of a nice cologne to cover. It’s got to smell good though. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alexjustdoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alexjustdoit/32/5176_2.png) [@alexjustdoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alexjustdoit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/17 "2012-12-02T20:44:33Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Give me more details on your age build etc.. Also do you mix it with anything, and who does it attract for you ? What nationality of women, age etc… I’m 16, I usually use 1-2 sprays of IG. I’m 6’1", 185 lbs, muscular but also got a bit of body fat that I could do without I reckon. Generally regarded as muscular people tell me, a big guy I’m often called. Doesn’t attract any certain nationality, but all my hits so far have been with women around my age. Testing with older women will come up later I’m sure. But I’d say its more of a respect thing than an attraction mone, though I do get attraction hits. As I’m younger than you, this might not help you at all actually 🙄 but hopefully you glean something from it. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/18 "2012-12-02T22:27:13Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I’m over 35 and the woman I date are in their 20’s some early 20’s. how much IG would you recommend.. A314 is too mature a vibe for them. Ammo by itself is more for clubbing and parties. For an afternoon ata family restaurant what would you recommend? I personally have never used IG, because I don’t want to project a mature vibe. I prefer a fun and youthful vibe. IS or [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is what I’d go with. Everybody likes it. You’ll like it. If you feel happy with 1 spray, experiment with 2 or 3 sprays. 4 gets into Happy Juice OD territory, and there can be a crash effect. I do fine 2 to 3 sprays. It is not expensive. You could use it like a daily cologne. The Neroli is barely noticeable, like fabric refresher. Of late, I started using a half spray of standard AMMO with this. That’s just a tiny amount of NONE and some ANOL and ERONE. Applied to a wrist, Neroli in IS cancels the FF21 scent of 1/2 AMMO on the other: you don’t detect the FF21. There’s so little NONE in 1/2 spray of AMMO that it should not really be sexual at all. It’s just there for steering and the androsterone is masculine. 1 spray IS, and no one should object to it at all. You and guests should like the extra bounce and warmth. You’ll seem more vibrant and feel it yourself. ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/19 "2012-12-02T23:29:02Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I personally have never used IG, because I don’t want to project a mature vibe. I prefer a fun and youthful vibe. IS or Instant Shine is what I’d go with. Everybody likes it. You’ll like it. If you feel happy with 1 spray, experiment with 2 or 3 sprays. 4 gets into Happy Juice OD territory, and there can be a crash effect. I do fine 2 to 3 sprays. It is not expensive. You could use it like a daily cologne. The Neroli is barely noticeable, like fabric refresher. Of late, I started using a half spray of standard AMMO with this. That’s just a tiny amount of NONE and some ANOL and ERONE. Applied to a wrist, Neroli in IS cancels the FF21 scent of 1/2 AMMO on the other: you don’t detect the FF21. > > There’s so little NONE in 1/2 spray of AMMO that it should not really be sexual at all. It’s just there for steering and the androsterone is masculine. 1 spray IS, and no one should object to it at all. You and guests should like the extra bounce and warmth. You’ll seem more vibrant and feel it yourself. He said he is over 35 so he will probably need a full spray of Ammo as he isn’t producing as much natural NONE at that age so there for needs more supplemented for the steering than a younger man will. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2012, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-final-word-on-ig-does-it-just-get-you-friends/57428/20 "2012-12-03T13:22:42Z")
> [@ballzan](#): > > He said he is over 35 so he will probably need a full spray of Ammo as he isn’t producing as much natural NONE at that age so there for needs more supplemented for the steering than a younger man will. That’s the conventional wisdom. Worth a try. I’ve noted how others (and myself) sometimes get excellent AMMO results and at times nada. I’m over 40 and have been ghosted at 1 spray even with buckets of socials. However, I never get any issues with a half spray. I’d would say one spray is a good starting guesstimate for many people. If, for some reason, it doesn’t work out, don’t necessarily abandon AMMO as a lost cause. Give a shot of 1/2. You have little to lose.