# The Future of Pheromone Technology: The Golden 13 Molecules. **URL:** \ **Category:** Store Announcements & Feedback\ **Created:** [January 3, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034 "2012-01-03T13:56:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/22 "2012-03-10T20:26:55Z")
good to see [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) in that list 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![supershorty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@supershorty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/supershorty)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2012, 10:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/23 "2012-03-23T22:37:43Z")
I want to buy all 13, but I want to mix them all together. Will any of them cancel each other out? ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/24 "2012-04-09T05:20:49Z")
Pretty big bummer about the nol family, going to have to conserve what I have left. But Pretty excited about the list there, [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) was by far my favorite putative to test and report on! Can’t wait for it to be on the shelves! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hydro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hydro/32/329_2.png) [@Hydro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Hydro)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/25 "2012-04-09T09:19:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Some of the molecules are #(\*$@ expensive to produce and take years to get right. Or their part of the raw materials in their product cycle takes a long time to get. [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) , Beta [Androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) , and some others at the standard we like them, are like that. The raw materials may just not be there. (This is why you saw a price spike for [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) and other [nol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) -containing mixes.) Questions/thoughts I have, reading this. I appreciate that certain molecules are particularly difficult to synthesise (or at least to purify enough) and that these 13 molecules are both effective & producable. From what I understand, Beta Androstenol (for example) is very effective but simply costs too much to produce, and is therefore not one of the 13. Although everyone is price sensitive to a degree, if I put my ‘science head’ on I just want perfection irregardless of price, so is there a golden list based on function & not price? The term price ‘spike’ rather than ‘rise’ is used in the quote above, does that it is predicted to drop again? To clarify, I love ADs products and their commitment to R&D, I hope they’re making good money too, the more they make the more top scientists they can employ or collaborate with. There is no shame in taking my cash if you provide a great products & servive. ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/26 "2012-04-10T19:32:50Z")
Hey guys been awhile, nice to see some testing going on. I still have half a bottle of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) cause I love this stuff and it wasn’t available for awhile. You get a really hard core crush effect from girls. They just end up coming over wanting to just be around you. You need something like IO tho to get them talking or they kinda just stand there like a scared deer in headlights unsure what to do lol the longer someone is exposed to it the more you’ll notice. ---
**Author:** ![Derekww41](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Derekww41](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Derekww41)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/27 "2012-04-12T20:27:55Z")
Does this mean the instant products are going away? I like the ones that are named. Gives me something to look for and compare to what I find. Very interesting. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) gets me lots of hits. Most obvious. Honesty and openness gets a lot of talking. Me & others. A314 I’m not sure about yet. Seems to have good potential, need to test more. Shine-no self effects-no effects on others. Wtf? Have tried 1 spray, 2 spray, 3 spray, 4 sprays of 2x and nothing. Maybe sending this one back. Will test more. Jerk-now this is what I really like. A lot more testing will be done. Is androtics going to drop this? Please don’t. The first and last question is really matter to me. Thank you all. Derek ---
**Author:** ![redlion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8491ac/32.png) [@redlion](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/redlion)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/28 "2012-04-13T17:49:10Z")
> [@Hydro](#): > > From what I understand, Beta Androstenol (for example) is very effective but simply costs too much to produce, and is therefore not one of the 13. > > Although everyone is price sensitive to a degree, if I put my ‘science head’ on I just want perfection irregardless of price, so is there a golden list based on function & not price? > > The term price ‘spike’ rather than ‘rise’ is used in the quote above, does that it is predicted to drop again? I agree with this post wholeheartedly. Two questions: I’d like to reiterate Hydro’s question about spike v. rise terminology, and second, does this mean that androstenol is being phased out in favor of other effective, yet more sustainable molecules? Obviously nol is effective (it made it into the commercial line products after all) but is it’s exclusion from the golden molecules merely a temporary production problem or is it more systemic in nature? By that I mean, did AD, eg loose a key chemist who has yet to be replaced? or is the molecule simply that difficult to produce in commercial quantities? I guess that’s three or four questions, but all the same 😛 ---
**Author:** ![lexy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lexy/32/2346_2.png) [@lexy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lexy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/29 "2012-04-19T12:49:58Z")
hmmm…sure hope this is all true…I’ve read some pretty interesting stories on this site. And it _is_ a business after all. So this is the reason why you guys are cutting down on female products? I thought it was because mones are mostly used by men. Out of the list, which are unisex? for female use? ---
**Author:** ![lexy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lexy/32/2346_2.png) [@lexy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lexy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/30 "2012-04-19T12:53:45Z")
hmmm…sure hope this is all true…I have read some very interesting stories on this site. And it _is_ a business after all. So is this the reason why you guys have cut down on female products? I thought it was because mostly men use mones. Out of the list, which ones are unisex? for female use? ---
**Author:** ![lexy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lexy/32/2346_2.png) [@lexy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lexy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/31 "2012-04-19T12:54:25Z")
Why can’t I post on this thread??? ---
**Author:** ![lexy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lexy/32/2346_2.png) [@lexy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lexy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/32 "2012-04-19T12:55:26Z")
ok NVM, I just read the part where it says it has to be approved. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 6:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/33 "2012-04-20T06:05:56Z")
> [@BeautyScent](#): > > ok NVM, I just read the part where it says it has to be approved. Thanks Yeah, since its the store section we keep getting people who post their personal info thinking its a support forum. Which then of course makes their personal info google’able and available to the world. People are silly. But we keep on it to approve posts pretty quick. The rest of the forum isn’t like that though. Also thank you for your feedback! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/34 "2012-04-20T06:19:47Z")
> [@Derekww41](#): > > Does this mean the instant products are going away? I very much doubt it! - The golden molecules probably account for quite a few important components of the Instant Line. ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/35 "2012-04-27T20:46:15Z")
> [@empath](#): > > Pretty big bummer about the nol family, going to have to conserve what I have left. But Pretty excited about the list there, P130 was by far my favorite putative to test and report on! Can’t wait for it to be on the shelves! 🙂 Yeah I’m hoping the prices come down on the instant stuff since I love them as well. I find it odd that there is a huge price jump but other companies haven’t done that. Since IO and IH and IJ are production products maybe it be good PR to actually tell us what molecule isn’t available, since NOL seems available to other distributors. ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/36 "2012-05-10T11:59:47Z")
> [@Gotchaz](#): > > Yeah I’m hoping the prices come down on the instant stuff since I love them as well. I find it odd that there is a huge price jump but other companies haven’t done that. Since IO and IH and IJ are production products maybe it be good PR to actually tell us what molecule isn’t available, since NOL seems available to other distributors. And some work just as well or nearly as well as what AD provided. So it sounds like those looking for nols will have to go elsewhere. what I’m curious about is there hasn’t been any updates as to what’s going on with project UF. Last I heard, we were still on 2.5 with a possible UF3 at some point. Any update on that or has that fallen to the sidelines due to this apparent shortage? ---
**Author:** ![Joem1000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Joem1000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joem1000)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/37 "2012-06-24T16:41:17Z")
Are there any plans to open up [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) to everyone since it is on the list of 13 sustainable molecules? ---
**Author:** ![jokerdud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jokerdud/32/1001_2.png) [@jokerdud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jokerdud)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 8:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/38 "2012-08-27T08:15:29Z")
Where is [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) - of The Golden 13 Molecules ok, I’ve tried all of these that are on the GOLDEN LIST. - TAA - P74 - P75 - P83 - P91 - P95 - P102 - P130 - TAC - TAK 1. I use **P74** often at work, 20mcg helps me seem to get 4 hours of work done in 2 hours. I use it for self effects alone, in grapefruit scent. 2. **P102** in a mix helps in a way, my wife seems to bite way more often with P102 in the mix. Not that being bit is the fun, but she is way more agressive sexually if she is in the biting mind set. 3. **P130** was great, I got theMX458 & MX459 Stealth Scent ToGo size samples with a $100 plus order earlier this year. I blind tested them. And now I’m looking for more. If the Golden List is sustainable, how can I get more P130/MX458/MX459? I sure would like some more. It turned a TV couch night into teenager makeout night on the couch. ---
**Author:** ![jokerdud](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jokerdud/32/1001_2.png) [@jokerdud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jokerdud)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/39 "2013-03-07T16:27:22Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > That would be MX458 and MX459, P130 is in these. > > **P130**. After my testing with it, I give it a WIDE berth. I use it CAREFULLY! In my post here: > [Personal Thoughts on Mones... 1Alpha's ramblings!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/personal-thoughts-on-mones-1alphas-ramblings/53580) > > I mention a P and the effects that I had with it on. THIS WAS **P130**. I am MOST careful with it now. 1Alpha, which part of your post/thread in the link above was specifically about [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/)? I was able to pull it out of the mix when I followed the link. Thanks, jokerdud ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 12:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034/40 "2013-03-21T12:50:38Z")
Just saw this, jokerdud… I had mentioned it in passing toward the end of that post, as [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) as one of those molecules that would bring out the worst in me. Here is my P130 report with more details. > [@P130 - 12.5 mu - Unfragranced 5mL - Batched by #2?!?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p130-12-5-mu-unfragranced-5ml-batched-by-2/44656): > > Thanks John, for letting me in on the testing on the P130. I got it in the mail last Friday. I will be putting it through it’s paces during this week. I had originally asked about unfragranced, using some [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) that I have as a cover to it. I tried it the first time I applied P130, with about a couple of minutes after applying the Neroli, letting it dry down some, before applying the P130. I didn’t distinguish any unusual scent from the P130 itself, so I’ve decided just to test it out wit… Have you used P130 and what’s it been doing for you? Curious as always to see the differences along with the similarities with the molecules that we use. 1Alpha > [@jokerdud](#): > > 1Alpha, which part of your post/thread in the link above was specifically about P130? I was able to pull it out of the mix when I followed the link. > > Thanks, > jokerdud [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-future-of-pheromone-technology-the-golden-13-molecules/54034.md?page=1)