# The Gentlemen's ammo mix vs CoolKats and there reasoning **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 23, 2013, 12:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075 "2013-05-23T12:32:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 12:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/1 "2013-05-23T12:32:23Z")
I have seen some positive discussion on some old standby products for men chasing younger women. **Example: The Gentleman’s mix.** "My favorite mix ammo ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) + IS + [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) . I’d say 1-2 sprays [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) depending upon how much testosterone you already produce…then 4-6 sprays of IS, and 1-2 of [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) " **Example : CoolKats mix #1** 3 IS, 3 AMMO (Game), 3 IH Analysis: I am going to try to go out with a variation of this exact mix without the p75 this Sunday.. Quite frankly I’m p75 burned out. [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) has also put me in leader mode on my last three visits to this girl and I think after receiving a maybe instead of a solid yes for a date this girl needs more of a connection and not just aggression from me. So going with more socials and a sexy vibe with communication is best. I’ve decided on trying IS, AMMO, and IH.. Just that nothing more. The question is doses.. I wonder why there is such a big difference is dosing between the two aforementioned posters in their calculations. Also The gentleman is closer in age to me than coolkat yet coolkat is using more none (3 ammo vs 1-2 gentleman who is over 45). The mix came up as an idea of how an older man can attract younger women. There are many other mixes which help with this but the consensus is socials are important… A highly sexual vibe without buffers doesn’t get the young ones into you. And most older men will need more than masculinity (height, weight, bodybuild, clothes) to attract younger women because they’re competing with studs much taller, in better shape, and with just as nice clothes. Thus the older man must not be impatient for sex with a younger woman.. he must be willing to game her slowly and earn her trust. I think this is why IH is probably a defining factor in this mix.. Regardless of happiness and sex appeal which younger men competing for the same women have , a bond developing between targets may make or break the deal.. thus the younger man so intent on chasing pussy may give up quicker when another opportunity presents itself offering sex. This is the older man’s advantage.. The issue of more patience in pursuing over longer period of time. If that pursuing an patience can be coupled with intimacy the older man may win out. Some younger women may think older men (say over 30) are done fucking around and may be more likely to stick around after sex than a 22-25 year old. Any comments? I like this mix I am going to try it out and report back.. if anyone can help me with some advice as to how I should go about dosing (especially those who know my history here and the target I’m chasing) that would help me think a bit better.. i cannot decide which one will be better for me between these 2 guys. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 6:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/2 "2013-05-24T06:42:44Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I have seen some positive discussion on some old standby products for men chasing younger women. > > **Example: The Gentleman’s mix.** > "My favorite mix ammo ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) + IS + [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) . I’d say 1-2 sprays [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) depending upon how much testosterone you already produce…then 4-6 sprays of IS, and 1-2 of [IH](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) " > > **Example : CoolKats mix #1** > 3 IS, 3 AMMO (Game), 3 IH > > Analysis: > > I am going to try to go out with a variation of this exact mix without the p75 this Sunday.. Quite frankly I’m p75 burned out. P75 has also put me in leader mode on my last three visits to this girl and I think after receiving a maybe instead of a solid yes for a date this girl needs more of a connection and not just aggression from me. > > So going with more socials and a sexy vibe with communication is best. > > I’ve decided on trying IS, AMMO, and IH.. Just that nothing more. > > The question is doses.. I wonder why there is such a big difference is dosing between the two aforementioned posters in their calculations. > > Also The gentleman is closer in age to me than coolkat yet coolkat is using more none (3 ammo vs 1-2 gentleman who is over 45). > > The mix came up as an idea of how an older man can attract younger women. There are many other mixes which help with this but the consensus is socials are important… A highly sexual vibe without buffers doesn’t get the young ones into you. > > And most older men will need more than masculinity (height, weight, bodybuild, clothes) to attract younger women because they’re competing with studs much taller, in better shape, and with just as nice clothes. > > Thus the older man must not be impatient for sex with a younger woman.. he must be willing to game her slowly and earn her trust. > > I think this is why IH is probably a defining factor in this mix.. Regardless of happiness and sex appeal which younger men competing for the same women have , a bond developing between targets may make or break the deal.. thus the younger man so intent on chasing pussy may give up quicker when another opportunity presents itself offering sex. This is the older man’s advantage.. The issue of more patience in pursuing over longer period of time. If that pursuing an patience can be coupled with intimacy the older man may win out. Some younger women may think older men (say over 30) are done fucking around and may be more likely to stick around after sex than a 22-25 year old. > > Any comments? > > I like this mix I am going to try it out and report back.. if anyone can help me with some advice as to how I should go about dosing (especially those who know my history here and the target I’m chasing) that would help me think a bit better.. i cannot decide which one will be better for me between these 2 guys. Game scent is gone, which I think is one of the best ones out there. Coolkat’s mixes, quite frankly, IMO, from years of testing and usage is suspect. I would go with thegentleman’s mix, or test your own. Some of these reports are too hyped to be realistic. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/3 "2013-05-24T08:11:04Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Game scent is gone, which I think is one of the best ones out there. > > Coolkat’s mixes, quite frankly, IMO, from years of testing and usage is suspect. I would go with thegentleman’s mix, or test your own. Some of these reports are too hyped to be realistic. With over 5000 posts and so many nominations I dare not question you 🙂 I think since its a toss up between these two I’ll try out Gentlemens and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/4 "2013-05-24T09:17:33Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > With over 5000 posts and so many nominations I dare not question you 🙂 I think since its a toss up between these two I’ll try out Gentlemens and see what happens. I thank you good sir. But I’ve just used my common sense and actual real life experiences, not ones I hypothetically thought of in my delusional dreams thinking of all the light haired maidens that I’ve conquered in our nation’s capital. My 5k posts also weren’t incoherent garbage I regurgitated to gain noteriety on an online forum =) AND I’M HERE ALL WEEKEND FOLKS! Good luck though ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 10:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/5 "2013-05-24T10:19:53Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > My 5k posts also weren’t incoherent garbage I regurgitated to gain noteriety on an online forum =) > > AND I’M HERE ALL WEEKEND FOLKS! > > Good luck though ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/3/3383525cabb254cb2d7085fe1b7fdc30d4e5fa7a.gif) ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 12:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/6 "2013-05-24T12:20:43Z")
I’m going to recommend this to OP in the strongest language. Get your feet wet with true mixing by getting an atomizer and combining some sprays within. Try experimenting with sandwich layering of these items in different orders. Let me let you peek a moment behind the Wizard of Oz’s curtain. You find one, just one, post from Jasmin in all these years about Van Der Waals visualization. This is 3-D software that models the charge on the molecule. It matters. It’s trade secret technology that [pheromone](https://a314.com/) companies use, but it matters. I barely grasp it. However, just like magnetic poles you studied in grade school, every damn one of those mones interacts with each other, the fragrance, your skin and every molecule in the air. If you start doing some creative mixing and layering, you’ll see. As a fundamental start, -eNone is very different from everything else and the center of the universe in mixing. The huge Oxygen atom on it attracts nearly every other mone that’s an electron donor and changes how it behaves. Try mixing IShine and AMMO together. I can’t recall if I ever did; however, the chemistry should make it burn a bit differently due to TAA. Same deal with IO. Alphanol should make TUTH or AMMO burn a bit better. What have you to lose? You might find something wonderful. Ever heard of Boar Taint? The Oxygen molecule causes it, in part. > [@P75 is a Lady Killer!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-is-a-lady-killer/34517/53): > > I may not be a chemical structure expert, but from the molecule name, molecular weight, and the little Vander Waals 3d visualization, [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) looks like it’s pretty far from AndrostA and AndrostE anything. slight_smile There is also the standard of androstanone our ExperiMone series, and P75 isn’t it. P75 is most chemically related to P79. Just in case anybody’s tempted to call “Bullsh\*t,” have a look: The Gecko climbs glass using attraction based upon Van Der Waals attraction. No chemicals involved. > **[File:Gecko foot on glass.JPG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gecko_foot_on_glass.JPG)** > > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot overwrite this file. There are no pages that use this file. > The following other wikis use this file: You think this has any impact on skin and mones? You bet your ass it does. We think about -eNone being sticky. What does that mean? How is None more or less sticky? How could we make it less sticky? It’s not Elmer’s Glue. The key in every mix is understanding just what sticky is and diffusion is at the atomic level. Spraying AMMO on your neck and Shine on your arm is totally and completely different than solution. When you have two different app points and no solution, you have no Van Der Waals adhesion. **No sticky between the molecules**. They aren’t close enough to interact. In solution, you do. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/7 "2013-06-05T18:40:46Z")
I don’t remember if I ever asked OP, but have you got any TAC? You may be able to tolerate more Alpha mixes (self effects) with it. You might be able to double your None or [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). Self effects are limiting what you can do. You’re talking to one of few people who understands (I would guess) what a dopaminergic will do to someone even without any diagnosed anxiety. If you’re willing to step out onto the edge just a bit and spend just a minimal amount of money, you may be able to get where you want to go. Just get a glass atomizer. If you just f\*ck around with a little Shine mixed with AMMO, it won’t explode. Might work, might not. What’s to lose? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 4:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/8 "2013-06-06T04:49:36Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I don’t remember if I ever asked OP, but have you got any TAC? You may be able to tolerate more Alpha mixes (self effects) with it. You might be able to double your None or P75. Self effects are limiting what you can do. You’re talking to one of few people who understands (I would guess) what a dopaminergic will do to someone even without any diagnosed anxiety. > > If you’re willing to step out onto the edge just a bit and spend just a minimal amount of money, you may be able to get where you want to go. Just get a glass atomizer. If you just f\*ck around with a little Shine mixed with AMMO, it won’t explode. Might work, might not. What’s to lose? [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) IS I used last night.. I plan on doing some mixing going forward… Just this moment I haven’t started.. yes I do have TAC. I find with Ammo IS without socials (I used 3 ammo, 4 shine), I got THE HOTTEST blondes in the mall and coffee shops making eye contact with me but it was more like sensory overload.. Seeing everything around me, feeling extra horny from the ammo i guess, and flirtive glances. I also felt rather antisocial compared to days when I wear p75 or socials like IO IH. I was more laid back you could say.. A great mix for ONS in a bar for sure. It makes you say just enough so you don’t put your foot in your mouth..Laid back yet sexy. In a bar there’s dancing, drinking, etc and other sensory overload. It’s a great mix there. I did feel rather angry inside but I was controlling it. I find for social situations it needs more buffering like IH , IO, or even p75. I had a great connection made with a blonde bombshell.. She spilled her beans on what she wants to do with her life in like 30 seconds after being exposed to IS AMMO IH. The connection felt great.. Too bad she was too young like 17-18.. I Can’t go for girls that age. But it was great to watch the effects. Do you ever find p75 gets you talking TOO much? To the point where sometimes you may offend? Or say the wrong thing which gets you disqualified? I find with my p75 tried along with ammo IS IO etc I tend to be full of balls but sometimes I mess up because I show too much interest too fast or girls don’t like the kino. With just IS AMMO and IH I can literally talk to a woman easily but at least the talk is meaningful and not just gab. BTW I am going to get into mixing.. You have pointed out the benefits numerous times.. As for my current mone SPRAYS, all are to the neck region.. Nothing to arms. That means IS AMMO IH to neck, or IS AMMO P75 IO to neck. I do have experience with mixing from old products like NPA , SOE , edge etc.. So I have done the mix trick in atomizers. Not up to speed with it with AD products yet. On some of the other forums you see mixing guidelines that were not complex (2-3 products at a time) and they were relatively easy to do.. Like the phermone cookbook. I have seen some great mixes shown in this board but they were composed of like 9-10 products at once most of which I didn’t have on my hands. It would be a great experience for you and other advanced users to come up with more togo mixes and have them posted on AD in a mix bible for androtics products. That is something that hasn’t been created in depth here, since most people still SPRAY and layer out of the standard products lines. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/9 "2013-06-06T05:51:57Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Ammo IS I used last night.. I plan on doing some mixing going forward… Just this moment I haven’t started.. yes I do have TAC. > > I find with Ammo IS without socials (I used 3 ammo, 4 shine), I got THE HOTTEST blondes in the mall and coffee shops making eye contact with me but it was more like sensory overload.. Seeing everything around me, feeling extra horny from the ammo i guess, and flirtive glances. I also felt rather antisocial compared to days when I wear p75 or socials like IO IH. I was more laid back you could say.. A great mix for ONS in a bar for sure. It makes you say just enough so you don’t put your foot in your mouth..Laid back yet sexy. In a bar there’s dancing, drinking, etc and other sensory overload. It’s a great mix there. I did feel rather angry inside but I was controlling it. > > I find for social situations it needs more buffering like IH , IO, or even p75. > > I had a great connection made with a blonde bombshell.. She spilled her beans on what she wants to do with her life in like 30 seconds after being exposed to IS AMMO IH. The connection felt great.. Too bad she was too young like 17-18.. I Can’t go for girls that age. But it was great to watch the effects. > > Do you ever find p75 gets you talking TOO much? To the point where sometimes you may offend? Or say the wrong thing which gets you disqualified? > > I find with my p75 tried along with ammo IS IO etc I tend to be full of balls but sometimes I mess up because I show too much interest too fast or girls don’t like the kino. > > With just IS AMMO and IH I can literally talk to a woman easily but at least the talk is meaningful and not just gab. > > BTW I am going to get into mixing.. You have pointed out the benefits numerous times.. As for my current mone SPRAYS, all are to the neck region.. Nothing to arms. That means IS AMMO IH to neck, or IS AMMO P75 IO to neck. > > I do have experience with mixing from old products like NPA , SOE , edge etc.. So I have done the mix trick in atomizers. Not up to speed with it with AD products yet. > > On some of the other forums you see mixing guidelines that were not complex (2-3 products at a time) and they were relatively easy to do.. Like the phermone cookbook. I have seen some great mixes shown in this board but they were composed of like 9-10 products at once most of which I didn’t have on my hands. > > It would be a great experience for you and other advanced users to come up with more togo mixes and have them posted on AD in a mix bible for androtics products. That is something that hasn’t been created in depth here, since most people still SPRAY and layer out of the standard products lines. About 10 mcg TAC should help reduce any anxiety self effect from product, since it’s the target you’re interested in affecting. Try mixing (in the same container) 1 part AMMO to 1 of IO. This is theory only. Testing every permutation is impossible. Based on electrical charges, you may get faster diffusion. In any case, you’ll not really get new compounds, just some intermolecular forces. It should be like layering, but may burn much faster. Like I said, it won’t explode. Chalkboards have erasers. What you’re aiming for is like static cling. You’re aiming to attract the oxygen atom on the otherwise slow diffusing -eNone. It works well for me with TAC. I’m out of IO at present. May work with Shine as well (TAA would be better). Think big magnet pulling little magnet. Use your fast diffuser (hydrogen bond donor – alphanol) to pull None. The oxygen atom attracts alphanol to it. Basically, it’s the same as how anionic surfactant (bar soap) works. Steve’s actually incorporated some of these principles into mixology, even perhaps if it’s not that technical. Ghost’s mixes reflect a good grasp of ratios, I think, even though they are still new to me. As I mentioned about the humble gecko, mones don’t just stick because they’re glued to the skin. There’s more there than that. Gecko’s don’t have chemicals on their feet. It’s electrical charge alone. It’s not how many mcg you use, it’s how many molecules hit the air. Ideally, you use raw molecules. However, there’s no harm playing with what you have. Edison tested 1000’s of light filaments. Though you’ve used mones a long time, think for a minute. Anyone reading this, just think. Diffusion. What does that mean? What does None = sticky mean? It’s not duct tape. The future of the technology may be an understanding of these molecular concepts. [File:Hydrogen Bond Quadruple AngewChemIntEd 1998 v37 p75.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hydrogen_Bond_Quadruple_AngewChemIntEd_1998_v37_p75.jpg) > **[File:Gecko foot on glass.JPG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gecko_foot_on_glass.JPG)** > > Click on a date/time to view the file as it appeared at that time. > You cannot overwrite this file. There are no pages that use this file. > The following other wikis use this file: ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-gentlemens-ammo-mix-vs-coolkats-and-there-reasoning/59075/10 "2013-06-13T06:39:44Z")
Since you mentioned my name again, I will tell you this: Pick my combo 😃