# The lab rat report, a middle aged guide **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [August 18, 2012, 11:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441 "2012-08-18T11:21:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Damage\_Control](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/damage_control/32/1059_2.png) [@Damage\_Control](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Damage_Control)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/21 "2012-08-31T01:05:04Z")
Hi russmatthess, You were unfortunate to deal with 2 shop assistants who were unprofessional. I can see from your posts you are already authoritative and together with A314 it may be a bit too much for some. That’s their problem. The first one may have been an Android/SIII fanboy - these guys can take it personally - shame really. Hope you get the phone sorted out. Not sure about the other one though. I usually find those sorts of males very helpful. Anyway, great report - very funny 😃. I’d love to read more solo testing but if you must add IS go for it. Whatever is best for you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/22 "2012-08-31T16:06:01Z")
Day 7 A314b 2 spray trials **Time of application:** 9AM **Area of effect:** Indoor **Weather:** 71 degrees **Application points:** 1 spray to inner forearm, 1 spray to throat (enhanced with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), 2 sprays to head, to avoid another repeat situation of day 6 and possibly getting dirty taking someone down) **Self effects:** None noted. I don’t know what everyone else is sensing but there is just nothing there other than a nice fragrance. Others rave about the self effects and I am just not getting any marked change that I can detect. On day 1 I remember a little difference but now nothing. Maybe at 3 sprays something will kick in I don’t know, maybe its all been placebo effects for everyone else using it. I am still being neutral and as objective as I can allowing this product to _show me the money_ so to speak. As of these last trials of 1 and 2 sprays I can’t say there is anything special about A314b on myself that is detectable. Instant Shine was a very refreshing fragrence and though it did not make me feel young and virile as I had read elsewhere it was a clean scent, and a sense of calm. **Effects on others:** After the initial application of both sprays I went to the Hotel restaurant where I was greeted cordially and with a friendly smile. I inquired about the breakfast buffet and I was answered quickly and politely. I asked for a diet coke in a to-go cup and the waitress brought it over to me and I asked her if I could charge it to my room and she waved me off indicating she had no intention of accepting payment (FINALLY A NOTICEABLE POSITIVE HIT). So away I walked with my free diet coke and to the car I went for my work day to get started. I interviewed a manager at the facility about certain regulatory issues to which he was polite and courteous and made sure he explained himself thoroughly. He then went on to ask for my opinion and advice on some construction and expansion work which was planned for the facility and my thoughts on how certain restricted areas should be outlined and indicated. I found this to be a potential hit as this is really above my pay grade to give advice on such matters concerning pending construction projects As we toured the outer facility I noticed he held the door for me at each doorway and was never more than 5 feet from me, indicators of some Alpha markers me thinks. Maybe I am reading too much into it maybe not but time will tell as product use continues. This ends the 2 spray trials and Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here in the US and I have no intention of doing much of anything) I will start 3 spray trials with A314b and accentuate with IS on an as needed basis - in fact I will carry the IS with me in the event some oddballs interpret my scent the wrong way. For now that is it will write more on Tuesday after my 3 spray trials. ---
**Author:** ![Damage\_Control](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/damage_control/32/1059_2.png) [@Damage\_Control](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Damage_Control)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 8:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/23 "2012-09-01T08:19:32Z")
> [@russmatthess](#): > > **Self effects:** None noted. I don’t know what everyone else is sensing but there is just nothing there other than a nice fragrance. Others rave about the self effects and I am just not getting any marked change that I can detect. On day 1 I remember a little difference but now nothing. Maybe at 3 sprays something will kick in I don’t know, maybe its all been placebo effects for everyone else using it. I am still being neutral and as objective as I can allowing this product to _show me the money_ so to speak. As of these last trials of 1 and 2 sprays I can’t say there is anything special about A314b on myself that is detectable. Great report. Self effects may never kick in any more than what you initially felt on day 1. There are some users who never experience any self effects whatsoever. Perhaps you will be one of them? I’m not sure if those that do not experience self effects consider that a blessing or not although I recall one user (can’t remember who it was) who said it was ‘merciful’ (IIRC). ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/24 "2012-09-04T16:39:31Z")
Day 8 A314b 3 spray trials **Time of application:** 10AM **Area of effect:** Indoor **Weather:** indoor 68 degrees **Application points:** 2 spray to each inner forearm, 1 spray to throat (enhanced with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), 2 sprays to head) **Self effects:** None noted. **Effects on others:** None noted. First day back to work from the Labor Day weekend and not a hint of hit. Everyone was the same as they usually are and I have to assume that it just wasn’t gonna happen today. As of this writing at 540pm I am wondering if the scents are all but gone. I notice that roughly 3 hours after use I smell nothing at all and I wonder if it is worn out or if I am just acclimated to the scent and do not notice it as much. I was half tempted to refresh with a single spray of A314b but refrained myself in the name of science to get a pure account of the trials I am running here. So a dud day, back at it tomorrow with a fresh 3 sprays and we shall see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/25 "2012-09-05T21:02:13Z")
Day 9 A314b 3 spray trials **Time of application** : 1030AM **Area of effect** : Indoor **Weather:** indoor 68 degrees **Application points** : 2 spray to each inner forearm, 1 spray to throat (enhanced with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), 2 sprays to head) **Self effects:** None noted. **Effects on others:** Another dud. This time I made sure to mingle a little more since a few people were out on leave, and there wasn’t as much hustle and bustle in the office. Was my usual gregarious and sociable self and still nothing noted. Today at the end of my day as I left the office I could feel the wind drop out of my sails and any encouragement is appreciated because I had my first doubt about the validity of this product though I want to believe there is something to it. Thoughts and ideas on things to alter or do differently are welcome. Back at again tomorrow for the last day of 3 spray trials, a few days off and we start 4 spray trials though the little canister is looking a low hope I make it to the end point. Have a great evening and thanks for taking time to read. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 10:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/26 "2012-09-06T10:45:34Z")
I’m about your age and I can wear 5 to 8 drops of A314 oil or similar amounts of sprays of A314b and then have a negative effect on others around me. Usually, I can do 3 to 4 drops or sprays and find that it give me enough boost in confidence and respect from others around me. Love the way you’re going with your testing. It’s about checking for results and not expecting them. Good stuff. I’m not sure if I mentioned it, and if I did sorry to be redundant, I started out with IShine but in retrospect, I personally think that IO is a great mone to start using and testing as it’s MUCH more easier to see it’s effects. At that stage of my mone testing, I would have been much more comfortable with IO… Hindsight is 20/20, eh? 1Alpha . ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/27 "2012-09-06T11:32:32Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > At that stage of my mone testing, I would have been much more comfortable with IO… Thanks for the input! Right about now I am willing to mix and match. I can easily switch over to IO and in fact I think I will do that after this little break. This is the last day of 3 spray trials so after the weekend by next Monday I will go to 4 sprays and 2-3 sprays of IO as well. Lets see what that does shall we? Thanks again I appreciate the ideas and input. ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/28 "2012-09-06T23:51:08Z")
Day 10 No real need to write much here. Total dead day. No hits no comments… nuthin.😕 Well then it has to be 4 sprays to be the magic number because if 4 sprays doesn’t work I have to logically assume that A314b is not worth the price you pay for it. I have followed the recommended system of trying to find the sweet spot and nothing to date has really shown itself to be the in the ballpark. Rest of the week and weekend are off, will start anew Monday with 4 sprays and maybe some IO like 1Alpha suggested. When this is done I hope to have something new and better to report. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 12:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/29 "2012-09-07T00:38:18Z")
Hi Russ. Read your journal. Great job. 😃 I have a few observations though. In your first post you indicated your in the position of authority at your work place. Your testing A314 there… why. Your position already commands a certain amount of respect trust etc etc. Its going to be very difficult to see its effects simply because it already exists. Think of it like colors. If I add blue to red you will get a noticeable shade of purple. People notice and react to it If I add red to red you get red. Everyone knows its red and will treat it as they always have. Notice when your not in the authoritative environment work or even on a off site job you started to see something. Like the hotel waitress and the facility manager. > [@](#): > > Self effects: None noted. I don’t know what everyone else is sensing but there is just nothing there other than a nice fragrance. Others rave about the self effects and I am just not getting any marked change that I can detect. On day 1 I remember a little difference but now nothing. Maybe at 3 sprays something will kick in I don’t know, maybe its all been placebo effects for everyone else using it. I am still being neutral and as objective as I can allowing this product to _show me the money_ so to speak. As of these last trials of 1 and 2 sprays I can’t say there is anything special about A314b on myself that is detectable. Again its like adding red to red. Usually if your wearing something close to your natural signature your dont feel different. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Damage\_Control](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/damage_control/32/1059_2.png) [@Damage\_Control](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Damage_Control)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/30 "2012-09-07T01:13:49Z")
> [@russmatthess](#): > > Day 10 > > No real need to write much here. Total dead day. No hits no comments… nuthin.😕 > > Well then it has to be 4 sprays to be the magic number because if 4 sprays doesn’t work I have to logically assume that A314b is not worth the price you pay for it. I have followed the recommended system of trying to find the sweet spot and nothing to date has really shown itself to be the in the ballpark. > > Rest of the week and weekend are off, will start anew Monday with 4 sprays and maybe some IO like 1Alpha suggested. When this is done I hope to have something new and better to report. Sorry your not getting much out of it at the moment. I’m looking forward to your “Eureka Moment” when you see something so blatant, so out of character, that you realise this stuff really does work. Which product and the effect that you’ll get though is the mystery… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/31 "2012-09-07T09:18:35Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Hi Russ. > Think of it like colors. If I add blue to red you will get a noticeable shade of purple. People notice and react to it > > If I add red to red you get red. Everyone knows its red and will treat it as they always have. Once again your insight and experience opens a new line of thought on this project. THANK YOU! I honestly never considered the fact that maybe the respect portion was already established in the office and it could very well be I was hoping others would see a “_new_” shade of red with my red. 🙄 Since I spend many days in the office and occasional outings in the field then what would we think about doing? Switching to all socials maybe? Save the last of the A314b for my next outing outside the office? I appreciate you making me think in a new direction it steers me away from the negative thoughts that bubbled a little in my head and now I have another avenue to approach in my trials. ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/32 "2012-09-07T09:20:28Z")
> [@Damage\_Control](#): > > Sorry your not getting much out of it at the moment. I’m looking forward to your “Eureka Moment” when you see something so blatant, so out of character, that you realise this stuff really does work. Which product and the effect that you’ll get though is the mystery… 😉 I am looking very forward to my Eureka moment as well. Believe me that will be a fun experience to write about. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/33 "2012-09-07T09:29:35Z")
Well, it was a few pages into my journal when I started to really ‘see’ mones at work. > [@Starting out with 'mones: Takin' it nice and slow... NOT!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-out-with-mones-takin-it-nice-and-slow-not/42340/34): > > Instant Shine Testing Day 10: 4 x IS (1x IO2 Accidental Application!!! Really!!!\*) App Points: Both sides of neck and each forearm and wrist area Venue: Work from Home/Errands/Lunch/Errands Temp: Low to mid 60 degrees F. Off shore fog - Humidity @ 60% / PM - mid to upper 80s - Sunshine Humidity @40 % Application Time: 8:30 am Self-Effects: Awoke groggy but dragged my butt out of bed to get to work. I thought about it, and spray myself with 1 shot of IS in the throat and chin. That … This is my own AHA moment… 🙂 It has to do with IO so, if your going to be testing out IO, you MAY not want to read it… No sex, violence, or dismemberment in that post, I’m afraid. 😉 I think the reference to colors and the color that we portray and the mone we apply being the same is a very good illustration of mones. I can totally see what Tisha is saying on that! 1Alpha . ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/34 "2012-09-10T22:16:39Z")
Day 10 A new week and a new experiment. I decided to take some advice and apply strictly socials since A314B may not be effective in an office where some respect is already present because of natural position. Today was all about testing the IO and IH. Time of application: 930am Indoor use at office Dosage: 1 spray of IO 2x to right wrist; 1 spray of IH 2x to left wrist. Effect on self: None noticed. Effect on others: After 5 hours at the office I noticed I was not getting any “diarrhea of the mouth” episodes from anyone, not so much as a “hey how was your weekend” I have to think maybe it was the Monday blues. Many were stand offish and I know socials wouldn’t do that so it had to be something in the office getting everyone into their shells and being reserved. Either that or I smelled funny and didn’t know it. So no results on any socials. Think tomorrow is going to be an isolated social, IO 2x I think. I want to see some blabbering from someone for now though its off to bed to examine the inside of my eyelids 😃 Take care all. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/35 "2012-09-11T15:01:03Z")
Have you used these in a more relaxed setting where verbal diarrhea is acceptable behaviour? Such as an outing with friends? The A314 ‘echo’ factor may still be in effect with these same people along with socially restrained atmosphere. Give it some time to break down mental barriers or take it to a better suited environment. Good stuff!! 1Alpha . ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 2:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/36 "2012-09-12T14:47:53Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > Have you used these in a more relaxed setting where verbal diarrhea is acceptable behaviour? Such as an outing with friends? Well I can’t say that I have had that opportunity though it is sound advice. Have a potential social outing this friday all depends on work load but if I can make it I will bring along a social and see how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/37 "2012-09-12T14:49:33Z")
Taking time off of mones for now. After ALpha’s contribution which makes sense I am going to wait for out of office shenanigans to see how socials may work. This Friday hopefully. Will report either way and until then have a great week. ---
**Author:** ![russmatthess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e0b2c6/32.png) [@russmatthess](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/russmatthess)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/38 "2012-09-26T22:34:17Z")
As of today I am left wondering how these things are supposed to work. I have seen nothing that can be interpreted as concrete evidence that the mones I wear are having an effect. Friday 9/14 I went out with some coworkers to a pub for some drinks. I decided to apply for the first time [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) which has just been laying around with nothing to do. SO 2 sprays, 1 to the neck below the chin and one to my chest. Coworkers were same as usual and I did not want any hits truth be known. I mingled near a pool table and chatted with a M/F couple as they played pool. 2 females approach the table and I wonder how long before my Ammo cloud may catch their attention. As they wait for the couple to finish playing one woman sets in about arms length away texting on her phone. I casually watch the body language and her gait is leaning away slightly from me arms tucked in close while texting and not so much as a glance away from her phone. Her friend comes over with a drink and passes right past me which I am sure the Ammo had to have hit. It did. She sets her drink down and turns and says, “Did you just shave in the restroom?” WTF? I said no. She continues leaning in slightly, “You smell like shaving cream, not that its bad, its just not something I expected to smell in a bar” I countered quickly, “its a clean scent at least” Her retort “Not so much” her wrinkled up nose and pursed lips told me all I needed to know, quit now and walk away. Whoooooosh…that was the wind leaving my sails… Have not been out since then mostly because of work but I am not at all sold on Ammo doing what others claim it does. Shaving cream??? Seriously?? Losing faith. Someone help me get my head straight because I am not really having much confidence in these products. Thanks for taking time to read. ---
**Author:** ![rohitiyer10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ad7895/32.png) [@rohitiyer10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rohitiyer10)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2012, 11:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441/39 "2012-09-27T11:14:40Z")
IMO Ammo’s new scent sucks so hard it hurts my soul. The old one was perrrrfect. Let the scent fade and put on a cover scent/cologne/other mone that smells better on top. That’s what I do. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-lab-rat-report-a-middle-aged-guide/56441.md?page=1)