# The "MAD TATER" Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [August 31, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330 "2007-08-31T06:28:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/321 "2007-11-26T07:30:29Z")
Tater highly recommends that everyone who is serious about pheros learn to composite and which fragrances are appropriate for which uses. Fragrance + pheros to hair is an amazing thing. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/322 "2007-11-26T07:32:35Z")
Hanging out with 20-year old women? CTTM:Le Male 4:1 on clean hair, preferably with the scent of fresh conditioner. Magical. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 5:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/323 "2007-11-26T17:51:21Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Since Tater is going through a phero-drought, he has been wearing Athena 10x again. Based on the reactions from men, women and children, it seems remarkably like EST + MEO-EST. Self-effect is stronger than on others. Children like you. Men are friendly. Women seem to be pre-charmed. Very interesting MadisonTate! The ingredients of Athena have never been revealed but are not a secret either. She has identified the pheromone compounds in her patent available freely online. Her formula focusses on armpit secretions which does not contain Est and I am not sure contains even Meo-Est in any significant amount. Something else in her formula might be producing these very attractive reactions. The reactions you describe are exactly what I expect from a [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) and exactly how naturally attractive men are perceived in social situations. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/324 "2007-11-26T18:00:38Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Tater is convinced that MX101 is balanced for middle-aged Caucasians who have left their androstenone production behind. An older Asian friend and several older Caucasian friends have had good results from the stuff. Tater, his younger friends and all of his African friends (who trend younger) have had unspectacular results to negative results. For those of your friends who didn’t have great results with MX101, I am curious if they have tried PI or [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) or TE/NPA. I would suggest decanting in a very small output spray and using maybe 1/3 rd of a regular spray, i.e. a total of 0.05 ml, or alternatively use drops. Another thing which might help is mixing it in monolaurin gel and then spreading it around the chest or upper body. If monolaurin gel is not available then try diluting MX101 in water and spread it around on the body, wrists, neck, chest the usual spots. Also if using it in daytime it need some more buffer for which A314 is great. For nightime it works great by itself but works even better with added 10-12 mcg of P79 and 1/2-1 spray of MX102. Just some things to try out before totally giving up on this mix. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/325 "2007-11-26T18:03:25Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Tater is convinced that MX101 is balanced for middle-aged Caucasians who have left their androstenone production behind. An older Asian friend and several older Caucasian friends have had good results from the stuff. Tater, his younger friends and all of his African friends (who trend younger) have had unspectacular results to negative results. For those of your friends who didn’t have great results with MX101, I am curious if they have tried Primal Instinct or [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) or The Edge/NPA. I would suggest decanting in a very small output spray and using maybe 1/3 rd of a regular spray, i.e. a total of 0.05 ml, or alternatively use drops. Another thing which might help is mixing it in monolaurin gel and then spreading it around the chest or upper body. If monolaurin gel is not available then try diluting MX101 in water and spread it around on the body, wrists, neck, chest the usual spots. Also if using it in daytime it needs extra buffers for which A314 is great. For nightime it works great by itself but works even better with added 10-12 mcg of P79 and 1/2-1 spray of MX102. Just some things to try out before totally giving up on this mix. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/326 "2007-11-26T19:37:45Z")
The other thing interesting about Athena is the ramp-up time. I havent tried DHEA, but thats rumored to be the phero-content. Tater wonders if she figured out that one phero can cause the production of other pheros naturally. Tater suspects that Androtics products do the same. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/327 "2007-11-26T19:40:15Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > For those of your friends who didn’t have great results with MX101, I am curious if they have tried Primal Instinct or Raw Power or The Edge/NPA. > > I would suggest decanting in a very small output spray and using maybe 1/3 rd of a regular spray, i.e. a total of 0.05 ml, or alternatively use drops. Another thing which might help is mixing it in monolaurin gel and then spreading it around the chest or upper body. If monolaurin gel is not available then try diluting MX101 in water and spread it around on the body, wrists, neck, chest the usual spots. Also if using it in daytime it needs extra buffers for which A314 is great. For nightime it works great by itself but works even better with added 10-12 mcg of P79 and 1/2-1 spray of MX102. Just some things to try out before totally giving up on this mix. Tater is very focused on the Androtics line, and this is the first exposure for his friends. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2007, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/328 "2007-11-26T22:47:24Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > The other thing interesting about Athena is the ramp-up time. I havent tried DHEA, but thats rumored to be the phero-content. Tater wonders if she figured out that one phero can cause the production of other pheros naturally. Tater suspects that Androtics products do the same. I doubt it would be just DHEA. The current information in her website is that the men’s version contains the ratios of pheromones emitted by a virile young man in his 20s. DHEA might be one of the ingredients. Many pheromone makers are now using DHEA to control diffusion. She is not using any -none but definitely some other interesting chemicals. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/329 "2007-11-27T06:56:43Z")
Tater would be thrilled if all these wonderful contributors would start a journal and name it after their nick. Pretty please with Tisha honey on it??? ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/330 "2007-11-27T07:22:10Z")
Tater thinks there are several simple composites that are very useful. IFM at 1:4, IH at 8:1, IO at 10:1. If youve tried all the basics, you should still go back and try them after compositing. Spray them again…for the first time. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/331 "2007-11-27T07:26:12Z")
TAC is the most underrated putative. I cant believe theres so little talk about it. If youre able to order some when the advanced stuff comes back online, you need to get some. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/332 "2007-11-27T07:28:37Z")
I didnt have enough to complete my testing, but TAL/TAH is like P86/[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). Better together. If you havent tried them in tandem, you need to. They are very complementary. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/333 "2007-11-27T07:34:03Z")
Tater does not recommend using P79 or MEO-EST on their own. Some of the pheros MEO-EST amplifies are not nice pheros. You can have a very bad response, and its just not predictable. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/334 "2007-11-27T07:37:44Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > MX149:MX102 at a 1:3 ratio seems to bring out the best of both mixes. MX149:A314 seems to be identical to just wearing A314, or at least the effect of the MX149 is much less. Really?😮 I wore MX149 with lots of different pheromones and by itself and had some OK results, but for me, my best results were 2 A314 and 3 MX149. I just absolutely had solid noticeable hits with it. Most of the hits I get I really have pay attention and notice body language, voice inflections, proximity alerts and just be aware and yet the MAX463 (that’s my little SteveO Journal name) really just shines as a pheromone hit. I could be deaf, dumb, and blind like Tommy and I’d still notice hits galore. Of course everyone is different but I’d be interested to hear a bit more about the experiences with and without the A314. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/335 "2007-11-27T07:40:22Z")
TAF and MEO-EST amplify different pheros. I havent figured out the list yet but mix + TAF is definitely not the same as mix + MEO-EST. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/336 "2007-11-27T07:48:07Z")
Tater has described MEO-EST as a way to add oomph to a mix, but mentioned that it adds crudeness, like MSG on food. I think thats because it only amplifies certain pheros, and possibly only certain resultant pheros that your own body generates. Its a spin-factor kind of phero. TAF seems to be similar but theres only a little overlap in what exactly it does. TAF seems to have a consistent scattering effect, even across multiple people. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/337 "2007-11-27T07:53:24Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > Really?😮 > > I wore MX149 with lots of different pheromones and by itself and had some OK results, but for me, my best results were 2 A314 and 3 MX149. I just absolutely had solid noticeable hits with it. > > Most of the hits I get I really have pay attention and notice body language, voice inflections, proximity alerts and just be aware and yet the MAX463 (that’s my little SteveO Journal name) really just shines as a pheromone hit. I could be deaf, dumb, and blind like Tommy and I’d still notice hits galore. > > Of course everyone is different but I’d be interested to hear a bit more about the experiences with and without the A314. Tater gets very flirty, playful hits just wearing MX149. MX149 + MX102 gets me pats on the butt, women sitting/laying across my lap playfully, teasing kisses, lots of touching. MX149 + A314 doesnt get me the same outgoing sexual/senual edge. Its back to the same high-intensity flirting, but i dont get the spontaneous touching. I dont know if MX149 + A314 would work better if i were to initiate touching though. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 7:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/338 "2007-11-27T07:55:58Z")
[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) = Gaydar by Magnetism. I think ive proven that you can -out- people by wearing this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 8:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/339 "2007-11-27T08:12:59Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > TAC is the most underrated putative. I cant believe theres so little talk about it. If youre able to order some when the advanced stuff comes back online, you need to get some. TAC is in all my newest batches of Groove Lover. Tater you are so right when you say it’s underrated! By all things Pink and Squishy, its like the Jester of pheromones and just when you think wow that’s funny, BANG, you’re a turnip. It’s that soothing bitch-slap that brings the -none down to reality all the while stroking your thigh. The loving caress of Jasmin’s voice while she’s strapping you into the electric chair. Smile, it wont hurt. Hell when it comes right down to it MHarris had a test-tube baby inserted into a vial of TAC and created TACitus. No need for tear gas or pepper spray. Hit them with a does of TAC, brilliant and yet appealing to all. > [@MadisonTate](#): > > I didnt have enough to complete my testing, but TAL/TAH is like P86/P83. Better together. If you havent tried them in tandem, you need to. They are very complementary. Would you please post your ratios on the P83 / P86 for me. On your wise word, dear sir, I bought a big giant bottle of P86 deliberately to test with my P83 and I just can’t seem to get it right. A little Tater love my way would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2007, 8:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/340 "2007-11-27T08:26:31Z")
> [@SteveO](#): > > TAC is in all my newest batches of Groove Lover. Tater you are so right when you say it’s underrated! By all things Pink and Squishy, its like the Jester of pheromones and just when you think wow that’s funny, BANG, you’re a turnip. It’s that soothing bitch-slap that brings the -none down to reality all the while stroking your thigh. The loving caress of Jasmin’s voice while she’s strapping you into the electric chair. Smile, it wont hurt. > > Hell when it comes right down to it MHarris had a test-tube baby inserted into a vial of TAC and created TACitus. > > No need for tear gas or pepper spray. Hit them with a does of TAC, brilliant and yet appealing to all. > > Would you please post your ratios on the P83 / P86 for me. On your wise word, dear sir, I bought a big giant bottle of P86 deliberately to test with my P83 and I just can’t seem to get it right. A little Tater love my way would be nice. Start at 12.5 mcg P86 to 2.5 mcg [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). I archived some of my notes and need to double-check that, though. Im sure i have the ratio somewhere here. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330.md?page=16) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330.md?page=18)