# The "MAD TATER" Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [August 31, 2007, 6:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330 "2007-08-31T06:28:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2008, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/646 "2008-03-31T01:18:31Z")
Its not the pheros in MX101 that seems overwhelming, just the added fragrance. If i cover or composite, its quite usable at 4-6x. By itself, people stand back. ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2008, 2:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/647 "2008-04-01T02:10:44Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > The sense of urgency you get from P83 can easily work as a negative. I now call it Instant Cattle Prod. If somebody wants to do something, 25mcg is like sticking a scorching hot brand to them. Sometimes this means that a small thing turns into a huge argument followed by “I dont know why that bothered me so much.” Thats different from androstenone which implies that youre willing to kick someones arse if they get out of line. > > P86 is STILL the sensuality, TOUCH ME, phero but Tater is changing his definition of P83. Its not TOUCH ME NOW. Its GO AHEAD AND DO IT in an irritating way. Just like P79, MEO-EST and TAF, Tater does not recommend wearing it alone since a lot depends on the phero signature youre already giving off. > > Tater wore 50mcg of P83. > > Also noticed that 100mcg can take a low-grade unconfessed attraction and turn it into irritation. It created tension but it came out as annoyance. I think you need to be in the right environment for that tension to work for you. I just got a To-Go each of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and P86. I haven’t been able to try the P86 yet, but my one test so far with the P83 was not very successful. I used one spray @ 12.5mcg along with IS 2X strength and MX135 (three sprays each) and became extremely irritated several hours later when I wasn’t receiving the attention from my TG I felt I _should_ have been getting (and had been on previous days). I felt as if my whole day was virtually ruined because of it, but later on I was thinking “why was that such a big deal??” Not sure if I’m going to try it out again soon or not… ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2008, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/648 "2008-04-01T07:31:09Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > I just got a To-Go each of P83 and P86. I haven’t been able to try the P86 yet, but my one test so far with the P83 was not very successful. I used one spray @ 12.5mcg along with IS 2X strength and MX135 (three sprays each) and became extremely irritated several hours later when I wasn’t receiving the attention from my TG I felt I _should_ have been getting (and had been on previous days). I felt as if my whole day was virtually ruined because of it, but later on I was thinking “why was that such a big deal??” > > Not sure if I’m going to try it out again soon or not… Sounds like confirmation. It does seem to have a stronger, possibly more negative effect on women compared to men, Ive also noticed. Meanwhile, Tater has also noticed that P86 is a more specific MSG-style phero, like MEO-EST. The sensuality triggers on something else being around. Top candidates are androstenone, EST, TAL and TAH. I need higher concentrations so im hoping someone else can pick up where i left off on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/649 "2008-04-03T06:51:45Z")
I got turned off [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) by flamings description of what his gf said about feeling like she was caught in a spider’s web…though I can’t remember what the exact dose was that prompted that response/feeling. I know that he/she had a better reaction when he tried it again at a lower dose. Am I on track flaming? I prefer being the spider…not the fly…though feeling/being caught up, in the right sense, is appealing…😉 ---
**Author:** ![flaming](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flaming/32/212_2.png) [@flaming](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flaming)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/650 "2008-04-03T12:53:48Z")
Hi Bella 🙂 …the day my girlfriend made this comment i was wearing 3x 12.5 p83 two sprays applied to the front of my neck and one to the back. the second time i only used one 12.5 spray and that was to the back of my neck…this time it made for wild intense sexual effects. Since that time iv worn the lower dose to good effect but i always make the p83 a minor player in a mix…😃 . ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 1:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/651 "2008-04-03T13:53:53Z")
Thanks flaming. I am going to include some [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) in my next order - just trying to decide on the concentration … ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/652 "2008-04-03T14:58:37Z")
im confused with p83, if its giving off an overtly sexual response, why r so many users “hiding it in a mix?”…what r the downsides to it? r results better when combined with many phero’s? then how do u know whats causing what? arent simple 2-3 combos, like p83/IH more effective? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/653 "2008-04-03T15:01:55Z")
> [@mahalo\_silver](#): > > im confused with p83, if its giving off an overtly sexual response, why r so many users “hiding it in a mix?”…what r the downsides to it? r results better when combined with many phero’s? then how do u know whats causing what? arent simple 2-3 combos, like p83/Instant Honesty more effective? “hiding” it as you say gives very good results it seems, from our results.. 😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/654 "2008-04-03T15:14:17Z")
[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is not anone like at all. Anone is sexual plain and simple, Makes you horny its sort of urgent or carnal. P83 , Its sexual but in a different sense, There is a dark sensuality about it. It rids inhibitions. Its seductive and almost hypnotic. Its the dance before the main event. Its funny the way flammings GF described it because that is what it does. Its wraps a web of seduction and desire around you. I would name it Temptation 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/655 "2008-04-03T15:18:07Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > P83 is not Androstenone like at all. Anone is sexual plain and simple, Makes you horny its sort of urgent or carnal. > > P83 , Its sexual but in a different sense, There is a dark > sensuality about it. It rids inhibitions. Its seductive and almost hypnotic. Its the dance before the main event. > > Its funny the way flammings GF described it because that is what it does. Its wraps a web of seduction and desire around you. I would name it Temptation 😉 > > Tisha Instant Temptation would be a good name.. wow I’m still shocked by how good it worked for me.. lol 🆒🆒 ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/656 "2008-04-03T15:31:31Z")
cool , my problem with -none is its a transient fleeting sexual feeling that is urgent and if tje guy doesnt seudce in taht moemnt and on that night, then ive rarely been given another chance. …ive often been left in shock that a girl that is so aroused by me around Ammo on the night, and then never wants to see me again, especially if nothing happened that night…but stuff like IFM or p93 is more memorable as i’m building comfort, as well as attraction…would u guys describe p83 as memorable? will they remember the attraction when u try to get a follow up date? so ammo/ TUH, for me at least = attraction phase only = 1 night stand man = seduce me tonight in this moment as i’m feeling horny, because u aint gonna get another chance IFM, 203, 93, IH +attraction/rapport + comfort phase - best used as a day game approach out of the club and bar scene…TRDE59 described p83 as a day -mone…this hints at its memorabiilty…what da y’all think? ---
**Author:** ![Luxferre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f6c823/32.png) [@Luxferre](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luxferre)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/657 "2008-04-04T18:12:42Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > 1. What should a first-timer order? 5 To Go vials. They should run $50 total minus the $15 gift certificate will run you $35 and you might not have to pay shipping. Get Ammo, Instant Shine, Instant Female Magic, Instant Honesty and either MX105 (more social) or MX103 (more respect/romantic). That should keep anyone busy for a month and give you a good idea what works for you. > 2. What’s the biggest mistake a first-timer can make? Ordering a full bottle of a mix or, worse, a putative, when they arent even familiar with how to use pheros. This is right up there with doing 2 sprays of this, 3 sprays of that, 1 spray of the other thing on your first night out. Invest the time to understand what youre doing. Otherwise youre wasting money and youll end up thinking pheros dont work. I think this is very helpful. Never really thought of the approach of the TOGO vials. However, going this route will give one more options to try and play around with things. It also gets the person, after the TOGOs are depleted, some empty small bottles for carrying around your own brew later on! An added bonus! ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/658 "2008-04-05T04:47:47Z")
> [@Luxferre](#): > > I think this is very helpful. Never really thought of the approach of the TOGO vials. However, going this route will give one more options to try and play around with things. It also gets the person, after the TOGOs are depleted, some empty small bottles for carrying around your own brew later on! An added bonus! Nice observation. Reps! ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/659 "2008-04-05T08:49:45Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > P83 is not Androstenone like at all. Androstenone is sexual plain and simple, Makes you horny its sort of urgent or carnal. > P83 , Its sexual but in a different sense, There is a dark > sensuality about it. _ **It rids inhibitions. Its seductive and almost hypnotic** _. Its the dance before the main event. > _ **Its funny the way flammings GF described it because that is what it does. Its wraps a web of seduction and desire around you. I would name it Temptation** _ 😉 Tisha Interesting. I didn’t get that erotic connotation from flamings gf’s description. Correct me if I’m wrong, flaming…didn’t she say something about it being good for seduction but she wasn’t feeling so great in the throws? If ya get me? I know she doesn’t know you wear pheromones, so…for her to notice this and describe it the way she did was _very_ interesting. She didn’t sound thrilled with that feeling…didn’t seem like a lose your inhibitions description to me…sounded kinda suffocating actually…lol…but I may have gotten it skewed. Seems the lower dose is workin’ out for ya though…😃 See, now, Ms.Tish Delish has intrigued me again! And I just placed a big order and excluded it! Poo. You _are saying you like P83 Tish…it gives you that good_ caught up feeling? 😉 Must say I do like the sound of the hypnotic effect… ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 9:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/660 "2008-04-05T09:17:11Z")
> [@mahalo\_silver](#): > > would u guys describe p83 as memorable? will they remember the attraction when u try to get a follow up date? > > so ammo/ TUH, for me at least = attraction phase only = 1 night stand man = seduce me tonight in this moment as i’m feeling horny, because u aint gonna get another chance > > IFM, 203, 93, Instant Honesty +attraction/rapport + comfort phase - best used as a day game approach out of the club and bar scene…TRDE59 described p83 as a day -pheromone…this hints at its memorabiilty…what da y’all think? yes I describe p83 as highly memorable and the attraction has been GREATLY remembered.. she even couldn’t sleep all night! 😮 I used p83 during the day too. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 9:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/661 "2008-04-05T09:40:20Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > yes I describe p83 as highly memorable and the attraction has been GREATLY remembered.. _ **she even couldn’t sleep all night! 😮** _ I used p83 during the day too. Ah…please 'splain? ---
**Author:** ![Curiouschic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Curiouschic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Curiouschic)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/662 "2008-04-05T09:56:06Z")
hey Bella, if you are wanting an easy obvious puntative, I wouldnt say [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) is it. It is taking me some time to even notice any effects I got it at 10mcg/spray. But I am optimistic there will be something positive soon. Slowly I will see the reactions…I hope 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 9:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/663 "2008-04-05T09:57:51Z")
> [@](#): > > See, now, Ms.Tish Delish has intrigued me again! And I just placed a big order and excluded it! Poo. You _are saying you like [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) Tish…it gives you that good_ caught up feeling? 😉 Must say I do like the sound of the hypnotic effect… I love [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) I got it in a big bottle and upped the MCG though. I have tested it on countless subjects both male and female and of course on myself and that hypnotic seductive erotic result occured each time. I do have to admit you need to be in the right enviroment when testing it. I tested it in laid back party type enviroments and work. In a leasure type enviroment inhibitions flew out the window. People did things Bella that I cant repeat here LOL I thought ok this has got to be a fluke and tryed it again at the next party with the same results. Out in a everyday mix where people have to watch there behavoir its erotic but you can almost see people holding back because they need to check there behavoir. I have had alot of displaying. People showing me there gym abs and actually flexing for me. (One funny story) We were talking about the gym at work and one guy yelled out hey Tish look at this and pulled his shirt up and flexed his abs. Postmaster had a fit LOL I have noticed women in my group preen and begin to move in a seductive manner. I am trying to think of a persona to match it and Mae West keeps coming to mind. I will have to think more on that. Its good stuff, on its own its a bit raw mixed with the right mones its powerful voodoo Tisha ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 9:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/664 "2008-04-05T09:59:42Z")
> [@Curiouschic](#): > > hey Bella, if you are wanting an easy obvious puntative, I wouldnt say P83 is it. It is taking me some time to even notice any effects I got it at 10mcg/spray. But I am optimistic there will be something positive soon. Slowly I will see the reactions…I hope 😃 What are you using it with CC and how many sprays ?? Use it with MX250 If you want to test it on its own use it with TAF. TAF will help you focus on the results better. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330/665 "2008-04-05T20:22:23Z")
> [@Bella](#): > > Ah…please 'splain? I mean after meeting me, she just couldn’t get to sleep. No it wasn’t what you were thinking.. 😃 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330.md?page=32) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mad-tater-journal/5330.md?page=34)