# The most potent Fallout mix possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 11, 2013, 5:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194 "2013-10-11T05:47:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2013, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/21 "2013-10-13T18:06:30Z")
> [@XyzN](#): > > Is it not advisable to try and create fallout with a -none based mix of stuff? Wondering if I could incorporate Ammo in somehow. Not really - None is not one of the key fallout pheros **but** it is important in steering/establishing your fallout mix in a sexual direction. Which is why many base mixes start low on none and only increase it as the fallout begins to develop. Ammo isn’t always that good a choice either although a **small quantity may be usable** - again because of its alphanol and because many base mixes are also good none moderators to begin with, so a balanced product like Ammo tends to get lost in the mix and by the time you build-up enough sprays to be effective again, the alphanol is doing a lot of damage to the other components. eta: Something like TUTH or NPA, even IJ in some situations will do a lot better! I used to love MX301 and ICM2 as well but although usable, Evolve seems not quite as effective but I’ve maybe not done enough with it due to the foot. Only one of my recent fallouts has had any significant exposure to Evolve - And she’s the youngest. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/22 "2013-10-13T18:13:08Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > …and ammo will muck it up? Not one to affect it either way - P79 is a useful intensifier in other mixes but it needs a lot of social steering to keep it good. The sort of steering that kills most fallout stone dead - With the only exception of A1 - Which exists more in parallel with fallout pheros rather than being one of the same group. Check Kotov’s fallout thread for a fuller breakdown of the pheros I’ve used. ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2013, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/23 "2013-10-13T18:19:28Z")
So would you say Ammo (or some similar product like Evolve, l2k,) as part of a fallout procedure, would mainly be good as the starting product to use when first meeting someone? Then quickly switch to the popular fallout mixes afterwords? Just wondering what’d be a good first step into a fallout plan starting with a girl you don’t know/just meeting. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/24 "2013-10-13T19:11:23Z")
> [@XyzN](#): > > So would you say Ammo (or some similar product like Evolve, l2k,) as part of a fallout procedure, would mainly be good as the starting product to use when first meeting someone? Then quickly switch to the popular fallout mixes afterwords? > > Just wondering what’d be a good first step into a fallout plan starting with a girl you don’t know/just meeting. No. I’d look to start with a sound fallout mix and then sexualise it and from that choice, Evolve is the one I’d go for because of its more up-front none content. L2K (both versions) has all its fallout killers in relatively high proportion. TBH, some of my best fallout responses have stemmed from initial mixes with little or no none. I’ve only added a sexual when the emotional latching has begun to manifest itself. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/25 "2013-10-14T06:36:15Z")
My most potent fallout mixes have usually included some type of Alpha blend, along with a bonding agent. The bonding agent can be A1 or IH but as Mobo said there is no end all be all fallout mix. I’ve seen wacky shit happen. For example, I thought fallout could only happen with an Alpha blend however I managed to get fallout (a couple times) with a simple A1+[P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) combo. Alpha nol can work but the key is not to use too much or to at least balance it out with some beta-nol so that the convo has some substance and isn’t just mindless babble. I used IO (mostly alpha nol) along with A314 and IH (mostly beta nol) to get my first fallout so it can work. Just depends on the circumstances. I honestly can’t speak on heavy -none mixes for fallout since I normally don’t go -none heavy that often however I recall Gegogi mentioning how after he used NPA women would tell him that they thought about him while they were sleeping. Bottom line: test it out.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 7:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/26 "2013-10-14T07:43:46Z")
A thing I want to get clarified is on Alpha blends with guys as young as me (19)…can there be some sort of issue arising? How would older women react? Or is it actually entirely safe to do so I’ve used Ascend Cops at work but not many noticeable effects, Cohesion has brought a nice fallout though (after 2-3 weeks of usage) by itself/few fallout mones with my female co-workers who are older & same age as me. I haven’t run Ascend though for an appropriate length of time, so I’ll have to get back on that. Edit: Also I forgot, is IG a good fallout mone? Doesn’t it have Alpha Nols in it? (of which are bad). ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/27 "2013-10-14T19:39:40Z")
Several reasonable combos without A314 and maybe better suited to younger guys, yes. IH/P74 is the main one but IH/IS and A1 in several combos are all good. The main thing with Alpha products is that they can be too old/serious around younger women and the pheros that lighten them sufficiently are likely to kill any fallout properties. Also, with a sexual, P97 has been showing some promise with me but I’ve had to shelve that FTM because of the surgery - And it has delivered its best around surprisingly young (for me anyway!) women and fairly robust sexuals. TUTH, TUTH/[P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/), TUTH/P74/P75 and Domination have all showed promise with P97. IG - Not particularly good IME but I’d like to see a younger guy try running with it in a fallout combo for a reasonable amount of time. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 1:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/28 "2013-10-15T13:47:30Z")
A314 has just enough -eNone in it to make it slightly sexual, with the spray having a harder impact (at the expense of longevity). If your climate is at all cold, it may be worth exploring. I have seen just P74 with fallout tendencies, and some very early reports confirmed this _boyfriend effect_ (Jasmin’s words). A314 + P74 should be effective as a base. The fallout effect, IMHO, is a product of status (eRone), some “awe” molecules (these do not naturally occur on human skin, e.g. DHEAS), and the “memory effect” of neurosteroid experimental molecules. You will know it has taken hold when you receive unsolicited texts and calls after a period of absence. At that point, I would probably drop P74 and try adding -eNone, conservatively with AMMO or overtly with TUTH, to avoid friendzone and build sexual tension. So, it would be then A314 + (IH optional) + AMMO or TUTH. I have seen some interesting comments on P97 that make me want to test it, but a new, thorough report from someone as a standalone would be more compelling. A1 has a plethora of fallout reports (and potential negatives), so I can’t add much to the already numerous reports of it on this board. Just [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and 74 can effect fallout, although A314 is better. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/29 "2013-10-15T16:23:49Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I just typed a full reply to this but I keep getting a “webpage not working” response to all but short posts. > > So - Ditch the Ammo, its alphanol is a fallout killer. Use a little TUTH instead - The IH/P74 is a good moderator. > > You need to do basic testing to find your sweet spot, then go-higher than normal on the IH and but keep the P74 below 30mcg in all but overt/high status mixes. Do you think I should throw in some A314? When she was drunk, she told me that because we’re both shy, things might not work. I’ve heard tons of people getting fallouts using A314, but you’re saying it’s not suited to my situation, right? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/30 "2013-10-16T01:20:45Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Do you think I should throw in some A314? When she was drunk, she told me that because we’re both shy, things might not work. I’ve heard tons of people getting fallouts using A314, but you’re saying it’s not suited to my situation, right? Its difficult because of her age. It might work but it also might backfire because you seem too serious/LTR-minded/older than your years. Then, A314 on a shy guy can also be unhelpful and shy girls can be equally difficult. A314 can drive them right back in their shell. I’ve seen it time and time again. IH/P74 can help this though. Normally I’d suggest a little A314 with a more normal dose of Ammo, which would lighten it but keep status/sexy - but that will also kill any fallout. So if you do try any A314, start low and keep the application apart so you can wash if it looks to go-badly but I’d still think on IH/P74 or another fallout combo as your primary first. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/31 "2013-10-16T01:38:05Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Its difficult because of her age. It might work but it also might backfire because you seem too serious/LTR-minded/older than your years. > > Then, A314 on a shy guy can also be unhelpful and shy girls can be equally difficult. A314 can drive them right back in their shell. I’ve seen it time and time again. IH/P74 can help this though. > > Normally I’d suggest a little A314 with a more normal dose of Ammo, which would lighten it but keep status/sexy - but that will also kill any fallout. So if you do try any A314, start low and keep the application apart so you can wash if it looks to go-badly but I’d still think on IH/P74 or another fallout combo as your primary first. Okay, IH and [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) it is. Does 5 sprays of IH sound okay? And 30mcg of P74? Also, perhaps 2-3 sprays of P83 for reducing her inhibitions? ---
**Author:** ![Wyatt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b19c9b/32.png) [@Wyatt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wyatt)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/32 "2013-10-16T06:57:51Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Okay, IH and P74 it is. Does 5 sprays of IH sound okay? And 30mcg of P74? > > Also, perhaps 2-3 sprays of P83 for reducing her inhibitions? With that combo, the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) sounds fine, keep in mind with other mixes though to treat it primarily as a mood enhancer, either good or bad, then an inhibition reducer. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 7:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/33 "2013-10-16T07:45:47Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Okay, IH and P74 it is. Does 5 sprays of IH sound okay? And 30mcg of P74? > > Also, perhaps 2-3 sprays of P83 for reducing her inhibitions? Maybe 4 IH and 20mcg P74 for starters - I’d only do 30mcg if I had some none in the mix. 1-2 sprays TUTH would not greatly upset things - The IH/P74 will hold it in balance well. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is fine, so long as its a situation where you can use its physical properties. Otherwise I’d leave it out. What mcg is your spray? 20-40mcg would seem a reasonable cumulative dose here. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 7:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/34 "2013-10-16T07:49:34Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Maybe 4 IH and 20mcg P74 for starters - I’d only do 30mcg if I had some none in the mix. 1-2 sprays TUTH would not greatly upset things - The IH/P74 will hold it in balance well. > > P83 is fine, so long as its a situation where you can use its physical properties. Otherwise I’d leave it out. What mcg is your spray? 20-40mcg would seem a reasonable cumulative dose here. My P74 and P83 are 10mcg sprays. So does this sound okay? 4X IH 2X Tuth (5mcg none) 3X P74 (30mcg) 4X P83 (40mcg) Oh yeah, she really liked the smell of Ammo. Would it be possible to fit that in or will it disrupt the mix too much? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 7:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/35 "2013-10-16T07:58:42Z")
That looks a good start but remember that you are going to need to stick to the core IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) around your target for a while before you can reasonably expect results but you can regard the TUTH, P83 and any other components (eg IS, A314) as secondaries and variable depending on the situation. ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 8:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/36 "2013-10-16T08:12:43Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > That looks a good start but remember that you are going to need to stick to the core IH/P74 around your target for a while before you can reasonably expect results but you can regard the TUTH, P83 and any other components (eg IS, A314) as secondaries and variable depending on the situation. Sounds like a plan 🙂 I just tried 3 sprays of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) on for the first time. I felt really euphoric, happy and had a bit more energy! Is that normal? ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 9:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/37 "2013-10-16T09:58:24Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Oh yeah, she really liked the smell of Ammo. Would it be possible to fit that in or will it disrupt the mix too much? If you want, you can order an empty 30ml bottle with just perfumers alcohol and ask for the FF21(Ammo) scent in order notes. Only costs 10$ (+shipping). That way you can still hide your other mones if you wanted to without actual Ammo lol. actually I just ordered some like this myself yesterday after hearing from support that I could. It’s being made right now 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ThePheroNoob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ThePheroNoob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ThePheroNoob)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/38 "2013-10-16T12:15:00Z")
> [@XyzN](#): > > If you want, you can order an empty 30ml bottle with just perfumers alcohol and ask for the FF21(Ammo) scent in order notes. Only costs 10$ (+shipping). That way you can still hide your other mones if you wanted to without actual Ammo lol. > > actually I just ordered some like this myself yesterday after hearing from support that I could. It’s being made right now 😃 Oh wow, that’s awesome! I’ll be sure to add that to my next order. I live in the UK so shipping is quite expensive. Could you throw me a link to where I can order it? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 1:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/39 "2013-10-16T13:17:01Z")
Its in the store - supplies tab. Just buy a 30ml bottle and choose scented alcohol for dilutent. Although one spray of Ammo would still be an effective cover as it will not greatly affect the alphanol proportion in this mix. ---
**Author:** ![XyzN](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xyzn/32/2416_2.png) [@XyzN](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/XyzN)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194/40 "2013-10-16T17:21:28Z")
> [@ThePheroNoob](#): > > Could you throw me a link to where I can order it? 🙂 [30 mL Bottle :: Mixing Supplies :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) but make sure you leave in the Order Notes that you want FF21 because it’s not there normally. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194.md?page=3)