# The Mystery Method, The Game, The Rules of the game. **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [February 15, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105 "2009-02-15T15:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/41 "2009-03-02T22:44:39Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > notice how he says, “therefore, must have value,” and points to himself. a command, “have sex with me,” and a bunch of others, notice all the self pointing. start out 2:30. > > [Mystery Method On Indicators Of Interest - Video](http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1102971/mystery_method_on_indicators_of_interest/) THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO PROVE MY POINT 1 look at the reactions from the women, there even saying hes right if you wait till the end 2. hes completely explains social dynamics perfectly 3. not to mention theres 3 10’s next to him \*\*only thing i heard him say that wasnt his is " attraction is not a choice" thats david deangelos but everybody uses that term thats why davids so famous if you want to be the chooser instead of the chosen you follow mysterys method ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/42 "2009-03-02T22:47:09Z")
> [@denigro153](#): > > THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO PROVE MY POINT > > 1 look at the reactions from the women, there even saying hes right > 2. listen to what he says hes completely explains social dynamics perfectly > 3. not to mention theres 3 10’s next to him a) they are not 10’s b) it looks like a tv show so it doesn’t mean shit ---
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 10:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/43 "2009-03-02T22:51:00Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > a) they are not 10’s > b) it looks like a tv show so it doesn’t mean shit C) it’s a couch thats inside someones home, lovedrop also walks past with a cutie thats a nice touch ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/44 "2009-03-02T22:54:02Z")
> [@denigro153](#): > > C) it’s a couch thats inside someones home, lovedrop also walks past with a cutie thats a nice touch D) they don’t see the cameras??? you can’t tape a show inside somebody’s house? that hasn’t been done before? ---
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/45 "2009-03-02T23:01:32Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > D) they don’t see the cameras??? you can’t tape a show inside somebody’s house? that hasn’t been done before? yea your right bro there inside paramount studio in that video, thats not someones living room your completely on point my mistake ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/46 "2009-03-02T23:09:45Z")
> [@denigro153](#): > > wow bro, actually if you want to get technical about it ross jeffries didnt create ANY of his material, if you research just about anything that has to do with nlp, you would know that what he uses comes from richard bandler and his associates from the development of nlp, furthmore even if you dont count the nlp, hes using basic forms of hypnosis along with nlp and basic knowledge of pickup to form a way of seducing women > > THEREFORE EVERYTHING THAT YOUR SAYING IS “HIS”, IS REALLY A COLLECTION OF ALOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLES KNOWLEDGE ON VARIOUS SUBJECTS > > NLP HYPNOSIS BASICS OF PICK UP > > COMPLIATED INTO A FORM OF SEDUCTION THAT HE FINDS TO BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FOR HIM > > i did you get that from reading my posts? you probably did [The Restaurant Manager is a Babe - #9 by castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-restaurant-manager-is-a-babe/26401/9) > [@The Restaurant Manager is a Babe](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-restaurant-manager-is-a-babe/26401/17): > > If you want to take it even further back, then you can look at works of Milton Erickson. Everybody acknowledges the brilliance of Milton Erickson. [http://www.nlpu.com/bandbio.htm](http://www.nlpu.com/bandbio.htm) Richard Bandler is a co-founder with John Grinder of the field of Neuro-Linguistic Programming. A student of mathematics, Richard began studying the work of Gestalt therapy founder Fritz Perls when he was asked to edit transcripts of Perls’ lectures and workshops for the book Eyewitness To Therapy (1973) for Science a… before you were trying to discredit both of them and said that studying bandler and erickson would not help get women. but the more you understand them and their teachings, the more you understand ross jeffries teachings and nlp, hence helping you get even more gunches. regardless, ross jeffries was the first to utilize nlp to get women. he also perfected it and taught it way before anybody else. now you just have wannabe biters who want him to retire so they can appoint themselves as the king of seduction. ross gives bandler all the credit in the world and bandler gives erickson all the credit in the world, but bandler nor erickson taught to help get women or worked on improving it to help get women. ---
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/47 "2009-03-02T23:14:39Z")
> [@denigro153](#): > > THEREFORE EVERYTHING THAT YOUR SAYING IS “HIS”, IS REALLY A COLLECTION OF ALOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLES KNOWLEDGE ON VARIOUS SUBJECTS > > NLP /HYPNOSIS BASICS/ OF PICK UP > > COMPLIATED INTO A FORM OF SEDUCTION THAT HE FINDS TO BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FOR HIM NO i got it from studing the subject extensively, as for the other comment, i thought putting it in capitol letters would be enough, but here it is again 4 you ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/48 "2009-03-02T23:16:50Z")
I just find it fascinating that techniques that were used to enter a person’s trance state and burst that trance state or transform it (for therapeutic purposes) is now used to pick up women… Simply fascinating! Diane ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/49 "2009-03-02T23:21:10Z")
> [@denigro153](#): > > NO i got it from studing the subject extensively, as for the other comment, i thought putting it in capitol letters would be enough, but here it is again 4 you ok, fine, he is biter and a wannabe. i’ll take that. mystery likes to copy ross jeffries. that’s fine. he adds some bullshit here and there and calls it his own, lmao. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/50 "2009-03-02T23:27:49Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I just find it fascinating that techniques that were used to enter a person’s trance state and burst that trance state or transform it (for therapeutic purposes) is now used to pick up women… > > Simply fascinating! > > Diane what i find fascinating is that ross jeffries studied bandler and erickson and somehow came up with using their teachings to help get women. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/51 "2009-03-02T23:31:34Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > what i find fascinating is that ross jeffries studied bandler and erickson and somehow came up with using their teachings to help get women. Actually, these techniques are great for opening and closing anything, including sales, job interviews… anything that is person to person oriented. But the key is finding that mutual truth. Bullshit doesn’t work. Communication is \>80% non-verbal and what is non-verbal is truthful… and you can’t get around that. You want to experience something interesting, watch the video again that you provided, except turn the volume off completely. Then you’ll see 100% non-verbal communication. And there’s your truth… LOL. Diane ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/52 "2009-03-02T23:37:35Z")
> [@denigro153](#): > > dude those are all mentalists and nlp experts, **nlp is useful but it has nothing really to do with pickup** , its just a nice tool to have on the tool belt, milton erickson and richard bandler i would agree are good reads but they wont help you in the overall process, just give you extra tools to get the job done you better ask mystery about that. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/53 "2009-03-02T23:42:02Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Actually, these techniques are great for opening and closing anything, including sales, job interviews… anything that is person to person oriented. But the key is finding that mutual truth. Bullshit doesn’t work. Communication is \>80% non-verbal and what is non-verbal is truthful… and you can’t get around that. > > You want to experience something interesting, watch the video again that you provided, except turn the volume off completely. Then you’ll see 100% non-verbal communication. And there’s your truth… LOL. > > Diane absolutely and ross jeffries teaches it for the business field and encourages people to use it to improve family, and friend life. i agree actions and body language speak much louder than words. they don’t lie. ---
**Author:** ![denigro153](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denigro153/32/772_2.png) [@denigro153](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denigro153)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/54 "2009-03-02T23:43:54Z")
nlp is an extra tool to use with pickup, its not a fundamental piece of pickup, its something you can add to get better results ( hence the "extra tool ) statement ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/55 "2009-03-02T23:50:30Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > You want to experience something interesting, watch the video again that you provided, except turn the volume off completely. Then you’ll see 100% non-verbal communication. And there’s your truth… LOL. > > Diane Are you laughing at how he keeps on pointing at his dick and motioning to his pelvis region. Btw, originally taught by ross jeffries. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/56 "2009-03-03T00:08:49Z")
> [@denigro153](#): > > I also think its hilarious that theres 3 10’s sitting next to him > > WONDER HOW HE COULD DO THAT SENSE HE’S SUCH A JOKE SUPPOSEDLY S. A. G.\* 🙄 > [@](#): > > D) they don’t see the cameras??? you can’t tape a show inside somebody’s house? that hasn’t been done before? A lot of porn filmed in someone’s house 🙂 > [@](#): > > gutches And what the heck is a “gutche”?😕 - **S** creen **A** ctor’s **G** uild ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/57 "2009-03-03T00:20:28Z")
> [@castlerock](#): > > Are you laughing at how he keeps on pointing at his dick and motioning to his pelvis region. > > Btw, originally taught by ross jeffries. Well, I noticed that in the beginning his eyebrows are arched and his eyes are wide - a beta signal asking for acceptance. Then he touches his nose/partially hides his face - an indicator that he is not being completely truthful. He keeps waving his arms around and spreading open his knees, intruding in other people’s spaces, very annoying. He never made eye contact with anyone. I noticed that the brunette to his right was shaking her head “no” and smirking, crossing her arms, and turning her back to him. The blonde in the glasses seemed genuinely interested in what he had to say, the other two - not so much. They both looked bored. I don’t know who this guy is, if he is anyone at all or not. I just know I found him annoying, and he lost me after the first two minutes. He seems he relies too much on props to form an illusion. But illusion can only take you so far. He wasn’t charismatic, wasn’t convincing, wasn’t anything special that I could see. I didn’t see anything there that was alpha. I didn’t see anything there that was powerful. I didn’t see anything there that I could respect. Those are the things that I have always been attracted to. I’m just one woman, but I can’t imagine any situation in which his “techniques” he was expounding on would work with me - at least from this small example. Diane EDIT: Let me also say that I am no expert on PUA techniques! ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/58 "2009-03-03T00:36:28Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > S. A. G.\* 🙄 > > A lot of porn filmed in someone’s house 🙂 > > And what the heck is a “gutche”?😕 > > - **S** creen **A** ctor’s **G** uild gunches coined by ross is slang like the term getting “Bitches” used by rappers and such aka women. ---
**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/59 "2009-03-03T00:43:45Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Well, I noticed that in the beginning his eyebrows are arched and his eyes are wide - a beta signal asking for acceptance. Then he touches his nose/partially hides his face - an indicator that he is not being completely truthful. He keeps waving his arms around and spreading open his knees, intruding in other people’s spaces, very annoying. He never made eye contact with anyone. > > I noticed that the brunette to his right was shaking her head “no” and smirking, crossing her arms, and turning her back to him. > > The blonde in the glasses seemed genuinely interested in what he had to say, the other two - not so much. They both looked bored. > > I don’t know who this guy is, if he is anyone at all or not. I just know I found him annoying, and he lost me after the first two minutes. > > He seems he relies too much on props to form an illusion. But illusion can only take you so far. > > He wasn’t charismatic, wasn’t convincing, wasn’t anything special that I could see. I didn’t see anything there that was alpha. I didn’t see anything there that was powerful. I didn’t see anything there that I could respect. Those are the things that I have always been attracted to. > > I’m just one woman, but I can’t imagine any situation in which his “techniques” he was expounding on would work with me - at least from this small example. > > Diane > > EDIT: Let me also say that I am no expert on PUA techniques! it did seem like the blonde was the only want that was really paying attention most of the time. he dresses like a clown and he calls it peacocking. peacocking means dressing to get attention. he used to be a magician. he also does something called negging which is basically insulting women to bring them down a notch and make them feel insecure. example was when he said, “you have 2 out of the 3.” ---
**Author:** ![magnum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magnum/32/1423_2.png) [@magnum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magnum)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105/60 "2009-03-03T03:53:03Z")
The main problem with routine game is the spread notion that you can get every girl with good routines and thats basically all you need. That is massive bullshit because with what you say you only cover 7% of the importance in an interaction. 55% is body language and 38% is only vocal tonality. Think about it: if a guy starts out learning some routines and has massive problems with the 93% of that what matters, how long do you think he will have to practice his routine? On the other hand if the same guy would learn the beliefs and mindsets of a person who is naturally good with women, he would have a good body language and a good vocal tonality that attracts women. How much stuff will he need to memorize then? I can tell you without a doubt that he will have good results even by saying the hugest bullshit. Thats why so many smart guys sit alone in the basement at night learning the latest routines when the dumb guys can have threesomes in a whirlpool somewhere. I learned a lot from Mystery regarding the structure of the game - so i recommend to read his materials … but a lot of the really important stuff for being good with women is missing there… I have seen videos where he shows solid body language himself, but he teaches very little of the important stuff. For example i have never seen him talk or write about sexual eye-contact which is one of the most important parts of the game. You don’t believe me? Listen to the first MP3 of Derek Vitalios Deep Inner Game every day for one week and you will get attraction faster than with wicked routines. Since using this kind of stuff i have instant kiss closes at the club without even talking to the girls - it even happens that i lock eyes with girls walking by ON THE STREET and they STOP and turn around…WAITING for me to approach them (i am NOT JOKING - and i am not saying that [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) won’t help with progressing things further 😃) more info: [Deep Inner Game CD Review - Derek Vitalio - www.Sensational.com PUA](http://www.sensational.com/PUA/DeepInnerGameCDDerekVitalio.html) [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-mystery-method-the-game-the-rules-of-the-game/26105.md?page=4)