# The n00b journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [March 22, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312 "2009-03-22T19:55:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/21 "2009-04-07T14:57:50Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > I wouldn’t worry about looking like you are following them around > > If they invited you in a comfortable way, without you prodding them -I.E. not “What are you doing now… oh that sounds interesting…” proceeded by an uncomfortable silence and an even less “oh… you can come along if you want” > > Then it isn’t following - you just need to make sure you leave them before it starts feeling like your just hanging around because they are there (and not because you want to be) > > As long as you come off as genuinely wanting to be there - not just wanting to be there to be around them - your retain your value. They invited without me prompting to ask them. May be I should of followed them; I think it might of even looked better and the tennis team may of perceived not striking out. Oh well, lesson learned right? Day 10-12 - 4/2/09 to 4/4/09 Applied: 2 Instant Togo Shine to wrists (all three days) Location: New York City Results: Well I went on my class trip, and New York I have to say looked like crap. It was dumpy and dirty in some places. However, I tried to look for any signs or hits on the trip. To be honest, I had almost no special hits or anything. On the last day, it was either the instant shine or me that made me do something incredibly awkward. I have this friend I was talking to (who was an HB 10), and then I thought it was the ok to put my arm around her shoulder playfully. Then she yelled, “Ian get your arm off me!” She and two boys that were with me were laughing, so I tried to laugh off the embarrassment. Well to conclude the trip, it sucked. Pheromones didn’t make it any better (but it was togo bottle to be fair), plus the “bring a date outside of school” form for prom is due in about a week. So I MUST bring my game up to the full notch (with little or no mistakes), or I fail. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/22 "2009-04-07T15:10:25Z")
I pulled this off of GoneSavage’s blog “Realizations and Redemptions of a Recovering PUA” > [@](#): > > _ **Tuesday, March 31, 2009** _ > > \*\*\* Release Your Need to Rate Women \*\*\* > > _Release your desire to rate women. There is no point to it. Guys want to debate this all the time. The best persoective I have ever heard on the matter comes from Johnny Soporno, so I transcribed his words:_ > > _Overwhelmingly, within the community there is a desire to numerically rate women, usually on a one to ten scale. And most of this is usually about feeding your ego. Most of the time, when you look at a girl, you see one of four categories:_ > > _I wouldn’t fuck her. > I could fuck her. > I’d like to fuck her. > She wouldn’t fuck me._ > > \*Girls do this to guys too. Everyone looks at everyone else that way. Now, as you work _through_ yourself – and you become more comfortable _with_ yourself – you’ll realize that it is a whole lot harder for a woman to find a worthwhile guy than it is for a guy to find a hot girl. > > Because _there’re damn few of us left._ > > When you reach a certain level, you realize that it’s not that a woman is a 10 or a 7 or a 4, it’s that she’s interesting to you. When you reach a certain level in the game there is no longer a level of “she wouldn’t fuck me” as a category. Sure, there will be individual women that won’t fuck you – maybe she’s a nun, or just gotten out of a divorce, or has decided to play for the other team. For whatever reason, there are going to be some women that don’t want you. But there isn’t going to be a category of women who you’re going to know by their looks alone, “she would never settle for me.” Because you’re good enough. AND not just that, she doesn’t think that highly of herself. > > So now we have three levels: I wouldn’t. I could. I’d like too. > > By the time you’ve reached a point where you’re good enough with game, you know there is no such level as “too good for me,” so you also realize: “Why would I go to bed with someone I could go to bed with when there are all these women that I’d _like\*\*could_ go to bed with” is now equivalent to “I _wouldn’t_ go to bed with.” > > So, the only thing that matters is “I would like to go to bed with her.” And in this case, her numbering doesn’t matter at all. The only thing that matters at all, if you decide you like a girl’s looks, or style, or politics, or philosophy is if YOU want her. It doesn’t matter if she is older than you, she’s losing her hair, or she’s heavy. Who give’s a crap. > > If she turns you on enough and _ **you like her** _, she’s a YES. If you don’t like her, she’s a NO. Ultimately those four categories become two: YES or NO. > > If you concentrate on spending your time with girls who are YESES, you will be a very happy man. You will also discover there are many more YESES than you ever thought of if you started out saying “I have to find girls that are hot enough to turn me on, but not so hot that they won’t be into me.” > > If you are caught up in the notion of how your buddies think about the looks of your girlfriend, you are an abject loser.\* to go to bed with?” \*So you realize, “I _could_ go to bed with” is now equivalent to “I _wouldn’t_ go to bed with.” > > So, the only thing that matters is “I would like to go to bed with her.” And in this case, her numbering doesn’t matter at all. The only thing that matters at all, if you decide you like a girl’s looks, or style, or politics, or philosophy is if YOU want her. It doesn’t matter if she is older than you, she’s losing her hair, or she’s heavy. Who give’s a crap. > > If she turns you on enough and _ **you like her** _, she’s a YES. If you don’t like her, she’s a NO. Ultimately those four categories become two: YES or NO. > > If you concentrate on spending your time with girls who are YESES, you will be a very happy man. You will also discover there are many more YESES than you ever thought of if you started out saying “I have to find girls that are hot enough to turn me on, but not so hot that they won’t be into me.” > > If you are caught up in the notion of how your buddies think about the looks of your girlfriend, you are an abject loser. \*He is a little harsh… but the words are true - this HB system of rating women is counter-productive at best. Choose “I like her, I want her, I will try and have her” or “I don’t, so I won’t” ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/23 "2009-04-07T23:47:11Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > I pulled this off of GoneSavage’s blog “Realizations and Redemptions of a Recovering PUA” > > \*He is a little harsh… but the words are true - this HB system of rating women is counter-productive at best. Choose “I like her, I want her, I will try and have her” or “I don’t, so I won’t” Thanx for the read, it really helped me out. Didn’t know the rating system was conder-productive. So, I limited my categories to 3 right? “I wouldn’t, I want to, and I’d like to.” Day 13 - 4/7/09 Applied: 2 [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) Togo to Wrists Location: YMCA Results: Not too bad I would say… I was working out and a cute girl gave me eye contact today.. I tried to bust a smile but I was already out the door. Anyway, pretty happy, the eye contact lifted my mood today. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/24 "2009-04-15T18:12:42Z")
Day 14 - 4/14/09 Applied: 2 Sprays of IS on the Wrists Location: High School Results: Nothing interesting happened during that day. Day 15 - 4/15/09 Applied: 2 Sprays of CTTM2 to wrists Location: High School Results: I noticed that people were a little bit chattier today than yesterday. It was a little bit of improvement in the conversation; if I increased the spray, it might make me too approachable. Therefore, I think that two was an appropriate amount for it being the only pheromone. An interesting thing that happened was that there was this really cute girl in my class today. The bell rang, and I walked out of class, and she was right behind me. So I take a long left outside and we were walking down the stairs side by side, then she asks me if we had any Spanish homework. I told her what the assignment was and then I tried to initiate conversation. Then she saw her guy friend in the hallway, and kinda bailed (it was the same girl I menched earlier). I consider this day kind of a success, since she approached me first, even it was homework. I think I lack attraction, and I lack a little bit of emotion in my speaking skills. I’m probably going to purchase AMMO or Mx292 sometime in the near future and see how that will play it. Well after day 15, I have no solid date. However, I will be very patient, even if a date does not come up after day 19, I wouldn’t mind. I’d rather wait for the quality person who will make me happy during the last of my junior year (or senior year of High School), then to give into somebody I don’t want to be with. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/25 "2009-04-17T01:19:32Z")
Day 16 - 4/16/09 Applied: 2 Sprays of CTTM2 to wrists 2 sprays of CTTM2 to back of neck 2 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to wrists Location: High School & Tennis Courts Results: Today was an interesting day. I enter Spanish class and all the sudden, our group starts talking about random stuff, and then everyone was sharing a laugh at our table. It was great, I could tell either the IS or CTTM2 was making everyone feel good. Anyway, at the tennis courts, a girl apparently recognized me from when I was rallying with her last year (she’s a cutie btw). So I play my match (which I won 6-0 6-2). After the match she asked me if I remember who she was, and I said I had no clue (later I told her I was only teasing). And then she goes to hit with her friends, and I go to hit tennis balls with my friend. We get done, and as we were heading towards the bus, I catch up with her and asked her if she wanted to hit again sometime. I got her number and she seemed very pleased that I was in her presence. So to conclude, today was a really good day. I say success on this one. Maybe socials aren’t that bad after all, there are days when they work and days which they don’t. I guess the important thing to draw from this is that its how a person applies the pheromones 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/26 "2009-04-17T18:22:27Z")
Day 17 - 4/17/09 Location - High School Applied: 2 Sprays of IS on wrists, 2 sprays of IS on the back of neck 2 sprays of CCTM2 on wrists Results: Spanish class seems to be where everything happens. Once again, my table group were laughing, joking, and having a good time. The quiet kid at our table talked a whole lot, which I knew the CCTM2 was working. We were doing translations, and then got off to talking about how funny Family Guy was. It was a great time; I really enjoyed that class. No girls today, but it was ok. I consider this another small success because I know I had a good time no matter where I went. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/27 "2009-04-20T19:41:31Z")
Day 18 - 4/20/09 Applied: 4 sprays of CTTM2 to wrists Location: High School Results: Nothing special from any girls happened today. Although the quiet kid in my spanish class group seems to be more talkative when I use this stuff. I’m glad it works, but this is not the result I’m shooting for. I should be able to get AMMO tonight b/c I will not let my dad procrastinate this any longer. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/28 "2009-04-25T00:05:04Z")
Day 19 - 4/22/09 Applied: 2 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to wrists 2 sprays of CTTM2 on wrists 1 spray of instant shine on back of neck Location: High School Results: Nothing much I noticed, although an unattractive girl was nice to me today because she is usually mean. I could tell the instant shine was making her feel good. So I consider it an upside. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/29 "2009-04-29T18:29:01Z")
Day 20 - 4/29/09 Applied: 2 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) to wrists Location: High School Results: No noticeable self-effects. However, I did manage to have the girl (who usually bails on conversation), told me to have a good day on her way out of the library. I thought it was sorta nice. I wouldn’t consider it a “hit”, but it is definitely a positive side of Instant Shine. I think today AMMO may arrive, so I will be posting results shortly. This should do nicely to my collection. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/30 "2009-04-30T18:42:42Z")
Day 21 - 4/30/09 Applied: 2 Sprays of AMMO (wrists + neck) 4 Sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (wrists + back of neck) Location: High School Results: Well today was the big day, the first time I try androstenone!!!. The AMMO I ordered had arrived a day proir. So the first time I put it on, I noticed a self-effect. It seemed like I had butterflies in my stomach, and then for a moment I was attracted to myself. But that feeling went away in about five seconds and it started to smell like piss and repulse me. I’m like “did I apply too much?” Well anyway, I go to school and I come to the “hallway test.” The moment I got out of the car, a girl gave a short look and then turned her head quickly forward. In my mind I’m like “is this really working?” Well I’m in the hallway, and about 2-3 girls gave me eye contact. They were average but not gorgeously attractive. However, I had a pretty good feeling that this was working at some degree. I come to Spanish class, and the girl (from previous stories who always bails on small talk) gave me a quick glance across the room when she was talking to someone else. At lunch time, a girl (who usually dislikes me) asked me to see if I was ready for my presentation. I make small talk with her and then leave. The girl that I was going to ask to prom did not seem remotely interested in me, nor did she give me eye contact. I asked her to see what a meeting was about. She gave a quick reply “i don’t know” and immediately started talking to her friend. I’m like there is no point in me asking her to prom, especially when it’s late. I guess the bad track record trumphed over the pheromones (or atleast this time). Other than that, the main result was eye contact. No major hits or anything, tommorrow I think I’ll go down to one dose of AMMO and try a different location. ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/31 "2009-05-01T00:48:32Z")
Damn nice reports bro! I’m in HS too and found [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)+Shine to be the BEST combo. Really, all these mx’s are intriguing but just with Ammo/Shine we have chicks gnawing at our necks lol! It’s because since we’re younger, 1. we produce enough of our own -none + the -none from the Ammo and 2. younger people are more sensitive to pheremones anyway hehe 🙂 And add in some IO or Cttm2 and this gives them what they need to actual do something about them being horny 😛 BTW, what race was the chick you were gonna ask out? 2 sprays works amazing for Latinas/black chicks, but sucks for white/asians. 1 spray works for all lol ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/33 "2009-05-02T01:39:39Z")
Don’t worry bro you WILL get it. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/34 "2009-05-05T00:02:11Z")
Day 23 - 5/4/09 Applied: 2 Sprays of CTTM2 wrists 2 Sprays of AMMO wrists 2 Sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) wrists Location: High School Results: Well today wasn’t that special. I did however get eye contact multiple times from this cute girl (who already has a bf). Another girl wanted to chit-chat with me in physics, and we had about a 10 minute conversation before we ended it (she also had a bf). I need some suggestions, my pheromones are affecting the wrong people! ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/35 "2009-05-05T15:09:41Z")
> [@LTDshred](#): > > I need some suggestions, my pheromones are affecting the wrong people! Wrong people? You’ve got to stop thinking that the only benefit of chatting with a cutie is to get with her… ESPECIALLY in High School. Enjoy your conversations with these girls - Okay, they have a boyfriend… that means you aren’t going to be their boyfriend but guess what - that girl probably has a single girlfriend. Little secret… girls talk - if you were awesome in your convo with that girl I can assure you that her improved impression of you goes back to her friends when they talk about you (and in HighSchool I can assure you, they talk about you). It’s called social proofing - When we talk about the power of A314, part of its power is the “grapevine effect” - People whom you don’t normally get teh chance to interact with hear about you because of a solid impression you made with someone that you do normally interact with. These micro-interactions with boyfriended girls can have the same effect… even if they are unwilling to leave their boyfriends for you, if you (and your phero help) can make them a tiny little bit dreamy eyed that impression will get back to their friends… some of whom will be single. It is important to build an attractive social identity… especially in a close-knit community like a highschool. Baseball is a great metaphor - sure it is great to hit homeruns (I.E. getting a girl who has no impression/a negative impression to like you)… but the guys who score the most often are the ones who consistently make single/double base hits (I.E. micro-interactions that leave the person with a more positive impression of you). Work on getting your singles and doubles - build social proof… Even if you don’t end up with a girlfriend before prom at the very least you build your social proof and get practice for building your social circle when you head out to Uni. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/36 "2009-05-05T19:19:44Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > Wrong people? > > You’ve got to stop thinking that the only benefit of chatting with a cutie is to get with her… ESPECIALLY in High School. > > Enjoy your conversations with these girls - Okay, they have a boyfriend… that means you aren’t going to be their boyfriend but guess what - that girl probably has a single girlfriend. Little secret… girls talk - if you were awesome in your convo with that girl I can assure you that her improved impression of you goes back to her friends when they talk about you (and in HighSchool I can assure you, they talk about you). > > It’s called social proofing - When we talk about the power of A314, part of its power is the “grapevine effect” - People whom you don’t normally get teh chance to interact with hear about you because of a solid impression you made with someone that you do normally interact with. > > These micro-interactions with boyfriended girls can have the same effect… even if they are unwilling to leave their boyfriends for you, if you (and your phero help) can make them a tiny little bit dreamy eyed that impression will get back to their friends… some of whom will be single. > > It is important to build an attractive social identity… especially in a close-knit community like a highschool. Baseball is a great metaphor - sure it is great to hit homeruns (I.E. getting a girl who has no impression/a negative impression to like you)… but the guys who score the most often are the ones who consistently make single/double base hits (I.E. micro-interactions that leave the person with a more positive impression of you). > > Work on getting your singles and doubles - build social proof… Even if you don’t end up with a girlfriend before prom at the very least you build your social proof and get practice for building your social circle when you head out to Uni. I know that sounds good and all, but I’m kind of afraid that I may take it too far. I don’t want to send the signal that I want her, and I also want to avoid this boyfriend jealousy stuff. I try to talk to them, heck I have a friend who has a boyfriend and we have a lot of fun, but sometimes I do screw up. Day 24 - 5/5/09 Applied: 5 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (4 to wrists, 1 to back of neck) 3 sprays of CTTM2 (2 to wrists, 1 to back of neck) 2 sprays of AMMO to wrists Location: High School Results: I think the Instant Shine played a dominant part of my mood today. I was smiling a bit more; some girls were giving me contact. It’s like about one or two in the crowd that give me eye contact. Other than that, it was a pretty good day. I think I laughed the hardest in my life during government class. So far, no hits or numbers, but a good day to say the least 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/37 "2009-05-05T20:34:00Z")
> [@LTDshred](#): > > I know that sounds good and all, but I’m kind of afraid that I may take it too far. I don’t want to send the signal that I want her, and I also want to avoid this boyfriend jealousy stuff. I try to talk to them, heck I have a friend who has a boyfriend and we have a lot of fun, but sometimes I do screw up. > > Day 24 - 5/5/09 > > Applied: 5 sprays of Instant Shine (4 to wrists, 1 to back of neck) > 3 sprays of CTTM2 (2 to wrists, 1 to back of neck) > 2 sprays of AMMO to wrists > > Location: High School > > Results: I think the Instant Shine played a dominant part of my mood today. I was smiling a bit more; some girls were giving me contact. It’s like about one or two in the crowd that give me eye contact. Other than that, it was a pretty good day. I think I laughed the hardest in my life during government class. So far, no hits or numbers, but a good day to say the least 🙂. Heh, yeh instant shine rocks! As far as taking it too far - You are talking to sober women in a fairly non-sexual environment. Take it as far as the girl is comfortable with - We aren’t talking about taking advantage of drunk girls, neither are we talking about potentially damaging marriages where there are significant emotional commitments/children. If you build up enough attraction that some girl leaves her guy for you… I can assure you that you weren’t breaking up a couple that was going to make it. Just remember to remain aware of how the girl is reacting to the conversation and you - if you are making her uncomfortable TONE IT DOWN. If she is eating it up, play it up. MY EXCEPTIONS - (based on my own personal ethics) 1. if her boyfriend is your friend - IT IS NOT WORTH LOSING A FRIEND OVER A GIRL UNLESS THAT FRIEND WAS REALLY NOT GOOD FOR YOU 2. If she just had a fight with her boyfriend it is not appropriate to use her insecurity to build attraction (which tends to be rather easy to do) … I’m sure there are more… those are the two that stand out for me ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/38 "2009-05-06T18:46:26Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > Heh, yeh instant shine rocks! > > As far as taking it too far - You are talking to sober women in a fairly non-sexual environment. Take it as far as the girl is comfortable with - We aren’t talking about taking advantage of drunk girls, neither are we talking about potentially damaging marriages where there are significant emotional commitments/children. > > If you build up enough attraction that some girl leaves her guy for you… I can assure you that you weren’t breaking up a couple that was going to make it. > > Just remember to remain aware of how the girl is reacting to the conversation and you - if you are making her uncomfortable TONE IT DOWN. If she is eating it up, play it up. > > MY EXCEPTIONS - (based on my own personal ethics) > > 1. if her boyfriend is your friend - IT IS NOT WORTH LOSING A FRIEND OVER A GIRL UNLESS THAT FRIEND WAS REALLY NOT GOOD FOR YOU > 2. If she just had a fight with her boyfriend it is not appropriate to use her insecurity to build attraction (which tends to be rather easy to do) > … I’m sure there are more… those are the two that stand out for me Well I guess you are right. The other day I was sitting with a cute friend of mine and she brought her boyfriend. I never met him but he seemed pretty nice (in fact he was an average guy like me). She can be manipulative (considering that she is one of the hottest at my school), but she is one of the few girls who got past the “guy trophy” stage because trust me, her bf isn’t a trophy 😛. I do want to grow a relationship and be smart about it, because a girl that attractive has got to have attractive friends just as or really close on the beauty scale. I’ll have to see how this goes, although she kinda treats me as quote “her nerd boyfriend”. Did that just lower my DHV? ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/39 "2009-05-07T02:35:01Z")
Interesting, I wonder if you get girls with boyfriends attracted to you because they are sexually active (producing copulins) Are you only focusing on your age group??? Don’t worry about “DHV” you want to be in the boyfriend category. And some girls think nerds are cute. Win. Be patient and with time you will succeed. ---
**Author:** ![LTDshred](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ltdshred/32/1416_2.png) [@LTDshred](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LTDshred)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/40 "2009-05-08T00:40:21Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Interesting, I wonder if you get girls with boyfriends attracted to you because they are sexually active (producing copulins) > > Are you only focusing on your age group??? > > Don’t worry about “DHV” you want to be in the boyfriend category. And some girls think nerds are cute. Win. > > Be patient and with time you will succeed. Well it kind of took me off guard because I tried everything to not look like my nerdy self, yet she called me her “nerd boyfriend” (obviously a joke since she has a real bf) and sometimes she would laugh and say “Ian, you are such a nerd!” when I say something funny. I don’t know. I don’t think she is that attracted to me, but I guess I’m in the friend zone with no way out. ---
**Author:** ![Young\_Beast](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/young_beast/32/2178_2.png) [@Young\_Beast](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Young_Beast)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312/41 "2009-05-08T01:28:52Z")
THat’s bullshit man stop thinking that way. First of all, she is NEGGING you bro! To neg means to sort of tease/make fun of in a playful or sometimes slightly sexual way. Listen to me when I say that there _is_ attraction, you have to build on it. She sees you as a good, funny guy. Add in some cool and you’re golden. Contrary to very popular belief, you don’t have to be Brad Pitt to get the hottest chick in the room. Another trick to use for your confidence is to never ever do what you just did. Never say, “Oh I know she isn’t attracted to me.” Instead, think “She is definitely attracted to me.” Play the game bro, and it will reward you BTW Check out my new journal 😛 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-n00b-journal/27312.md?page=3)