# The OFFICIAL MX408 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** MX Test Results\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx408-discussion-thread/61497 "2011-02-27T01:20:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RJS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@RJS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RJS)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx408-discussion-thread/61497/1 "2011-02-27T01:20:13Z")
**What is MX408?** MX408-MX409 **The Versus Androstenone Experiments**. MX408 & MX409 are two mixes designed by John Sebastian as Androstenone replacements. **Status:** **Currently In Production** **Get MX here:** [Shop - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/shop/) **Quote from original Release Thread [July 14th, 2011]:** > [@](#): > > NEW! Come be a part of this amazing period of discovery and progress. We believe we may have found an alternative to androstenone that many who find that those around them are too sensitive to real androstenone will be able to work with. As somebody who produces quite a bit naturally (and thusly must meter my -none usage) I am thrilled to start this experiment. **How to Test:** Spray like you would your usual cologne or perfume, on your usual pulse points. This mix has been calibrated to work best at a two spray dosage. Start there but try everything. We’re seeking to understand how the diffusion component works with the pheromonal molecule. At least once test with your usual cologne, so we can see how the diffusion technology we are testing works with cologne. Spray. Let dry. Sniff. Does the smell remind you of anything? What do you notice yourself feeling? **What to Report:** We’re collecting data on a few parameters, which I’ll explain here. **Strength** - How strong did you feel the effects? On yourself? On others? Did it hit you over the head, or was it more subtle? **Length of Effects** - When did you notice the onset of effects? When did you notice the outset? When did it peak? When did it wane? **Tenacity** - Tenacity refers to ?staying power?, or the aggressiveness of the cologne. Does it seem to “attack” people around you, or is it more of a “slow burner”? Does it seem like you can point your fume in one direction or another? **Effectiveness & Consistency** - How effective is this mix on a scale of 1-10 (1 bad, 10 killer)? Have its effects been consistent over time? **Diffusion/Sillage** - Sillage refers to your ?vapor trail?. Think of it like the wake of a ship. How many feet/meters is your vapor trail? Do people seem to follow your silage? Other weird questions that help clarify: If it were music, what would it sound like? If it had a texture, what would it feel like? If it were edible or drinkable, what would it taste like? What celebrity or public figure is it most like? Ask yourself these questions during and after you’ve gotten a good feel of this mix. Thank you, RJS Research Assistant Androtics Direct ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2011, 10:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx408-discussion-thread/61497/2 "2011-03-02T22:15:10Z")
MX40X - Starting out with MX408 - 5 mu… is that [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/)?! I got my package in the mail today and decided to start out with MX408. I was calm and cool as a cucumber this morning, getting work done. But then, I applied the MX. **3 x MX408** (1 to the top of my hands, the other to my wrist. 1 spray to the back of my neck) I had a noticeable bubbling forth of irritation. I was doing my work and was NOT taking kindly to the sh\*t being sent my way by clients or my supervisor. Well, I was, strongly wording my emails and in convo’s on the phone, was on the bitchy side… Sales person came over to complain and quickly fizzled out. He wanted me to take a look at his laptop, as he had it in his hands. I told him, I’m in the middle of something right now, I DON’T have time to look into it. Besides, I’m no magician that can just touch the thing and it’ll start working. Bring in the power supply and leave it here and I’ll have someone take a look at it LATER, OK!?!? Being somewhat pushy in tone and attitude. Testing isn’t over… TBC… ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx408-discussion-thread/61497/3 "2011-07-25T21:15:59Z")
**Continued from previous post…** As I continued through my day, working late into the evening I reapplied this MX again: _ **3 x MX408** _ - I had used my hand sanitizer in the afternoon, prior to this application. I applied to the tops of my hands and forearms. The application was just before entering my last client visit. As I walked in through the front double glass doors, 2 other (older, better dressed gentleman) were already in the lobby. I walked past them and gave them a friendly smile which they promptly avoided. I walked straight to the receptionist and was greeted by her, with a smile. Mid-30’s Asian/Indonesian gal. I remarked on her monitor and how she seemed to have gotten an upgrade from last time I was there and I congradulated her. She, laughed and said, yes, I did! That was many months ago… I told her, that still good for you!! And smiled. She remembered me from the last visit and remarked… what’s your name again, I said, shame on you, G…(insert her real name here..), I’m 1Alpha… Oh, yes, was her response while she called ahead for me to the department I was visiting. The guy here, B, wasn’t at his desk so I asked for another contact, C… She said, Oh, Ok, I’ll try him now. During this time she had started twirling her hair and hung up the phone and said… sorry, so, sorry, what was your name… I’ll forgive you because its late in the day… 1Alpha was my response. She did contact C and I was told to just go on in to the department. I continued forth into the building and I noticed the 2 gentleman that were there were a bit miffed that they had to continue to wait while I was asked to go on in… I worked with B, Caucasian, mid-30’s for the next couple of hours, And I was asked to take the lead in my support sessions. I am the consultant in this scenario, but, he is very proficient in the systems that we were working on. He asked me to use his workstation and took my suggestions without much of a hiccup in contradictions… He may usually try to sh!t test my suggestions and opinions… not today. About 3 hours after my application, I was still having a leader type vibe at this clients with B and C (Asian late 30’s Manager) but started to feel run down. I was glad were were winding down our work and packed up to leave. While driving, I was uneasy and feeling a bit stressed. There were several things that needed to be postponed and redone for the next day though the work I did with B and C was fine. Because it took longer than I expected I was feeling overwhelmed from other work and things that I needed to do around the house. As I arrived late, about 6 hours after my application, I was down in the dumps. I thought, just screw it, I’m taking this evening off and just vegged in front of the TV watching Netfix movies and TV programs. I was feeling depressed and didn’t care that I had things to do… Man, it was one of those days that I’m down and out. After a shower and some sleep that night, I was feeling somewhat better… I’ll have to try this MX again… ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx408-discussion-thread/61497/4 "2011-07-27T18:16:31Z")
Let’s do this again… working at the office during the day and I reapplied this MX again: **3 x MX408** - I applied to the tops of my hands and forearms. Temps: Mid 80’s to low 90’s. Applied in the car before entering into the clients office. I found that the MX initiates a bit of restlessness in me. I was focused and calm in my work load for this day and after the MX, within about 3 to 5 minutes, started the ansy feeling. As I called to speak with my contact because no one was in the office, I was fidgety and uneasy that no one was there. I talked to M, my contact, and he let me in to do my thing. We spoke for a few minutes, while he walked with me to the rooms where I was to be working. He told me he had to leave as he had several things to do that day. I let him know I would be fine and would let myself out and lock the door when I left. I worked away, alone, for most of the time I was at this office. M returned a few times within an hour and then again a couple of hours later. He wasn’t really checking in on me… he just seemed to want to talk and ask a bit about what I was doing. Mind you, he was my contact to LET ME IN if no one was there… He has nothing to do with the work I was doing. So, it seemed he just wanted to shoot the breeze with me. When I asked him if he could check something out for me… he jumped on it, as if he was waiting to see how he could help. I thought, didn’t he say he had things to do?! Well, I started to feel a bit down when I was finishing up here. I packed up, locked the door and left to my next site visit. However, I was starting to feel a bit despondent… dejected… a sort of saddening of the spirit… About 5 hours after my initial application of this MX… I arrived at my next site and after cleaning off my application points with hand sanitizer, re-applied the same amount of this MX in my car, prior to entering. Self effects continued to be a bit of a dampened attitude. The gal I met up with at the front desk was all sparkly when we greeted. I’ll call her N. I had to work with her for a while and as I did, noticed that she’d start twirling her hair into a curl with her left hand as she pointed to the things we were talking about with her right. N is Hispanic, late 20’s, slim with a flower tat on the bottom of her forearm. Another gal, O from the back, came by and seemed to hover around N’s work station and interjecting into our convo’s, trying to help. She threw out several suggestions as if she was trying to impress. It was for my benefit, I’m sure. O is early to mid 30’s gal, a bit on the heavy side. Site manager, R, I spoke with, was a bit testy with me. He said, well, 1Alpha, how come you guys can’t do this!?! Though, he knew it wasn’t part of my bailiwick…N responded by defending me and trying to make R look bad… (Loudly saying that R isn’t much of a manager…). All of the above occured in a 2 hour time frame. I had the same despondent feeling, a melencholy, blue feeling breach my attitude. It seems that I have this lurking in the background and then rear’s it’s ugly head after a few hours of this MX… I basically was feeling in the dumps. In this blue funk state, I didn’t do what I needed when I got home and just vegged out, feeling sorry for myself… I don’t like that feeling at all!!! I didn’t take off the MX and let it linger for the rest of the evening. Found that, after I did take it off the next day… I was feeling a bit better. I will NOT be using this MX or any other mone for that matter, to see if this blue funk state continues. Re-calibrating session in progress… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gods\_son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b2d939/32.png) [@gods\_son](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gods_son)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx408-discussion-thread/61497/5 "2013-02-12T20:16:00Z")
So results were ok… 2 sprays wrist.. Walked into bar guy told me that bartender will be back ASAP . Dunno if that was a hit. Than bartender was looking over time to time waited on me as soon as I looked like I wanted something.. Dunno if that was just a bartender thing. So girl I wanted to talk to talked kinda stand offish soo idk if it was the mOnes she was ok tho we talked bullshiting. NOt much. Idk more testing needed