# The OFFICIAL MX409 VS Androstenone Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** MX Test Results\ **Created:** [July 28, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx409-vs-androstenone-discussion-thread/61952 "2011-07-28T18:35:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RJS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@RJS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RJS)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx409-vs-androstenone-discussion-thread/61952/1 "2011-07-28T18:35:03Z")
**What is MX409 vs Androstenone?** **MX409 vs Androstenone** is a part of MX408-409 pack designed by John Sebastian as Androstenone replacements. **Fragrance:** [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) **Effects:** Social **Status** : **Currently In Production** **Get MX here** : [MX408-409 vs Androstenone Test Pack (Akuto fragrance) :: MX Mix Packs :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) **Quote:** _Quote from original Release Thread [July 14th, 2011]: NEW! Come be a part of this amazing period of discovery and progress. We believe we may have found an alternative to androstenone that many who find that those around them are too sensitive to real androstenone will be able to work with. As somebody who produces quite a bit naturally (and thusly must meter my -none usage) I am thrilled to start this experiment._ **How to Test:** - Spray like you would your usual cologne or perfume, on your usual pulse points. - This mix has been calibrated to work best at a two spray dosage. Start there but try everything. - We’re seeking to understand how the diffusion component works with the pheromonal molecule. At least once test with your usual cologne, so we can see how the diffusion technology we are testing works with cologne. - Spray. Let dry. Sniff. Does the smell remind you of anything? What do you notice yourself feeling? **What to Report:** We’re collecting data on a few parameters, which I’ll explain here. **Strength** - How strong did you feel the effects? On yourself? On others? Did it hit you over the head, or was it more subtle? **Length of Effects** - When did you notice the onset of effects? When did you notice the outset? When did it peak? When did it wane? **Tenacity** - Tenacity refers to ?staying power?, or the aggressiveness of the cologne. Does it seem to “attack” people around you, or is it more of a “slow burner”? Does it seem like you can point your fume in one direction or another? **Effectiveness & Consistency** - How effective is this mix on a scale of 1-10 (1 bad, 10 killer)? Have its effects been consistent over time? **Diffusion/Sillage** - Sillage refers to your ?vapor trail?. Think of it like the wake of a ship. How many feet/meters is your vapor trail? Do people seem to follow your silage? **Other weird questions that help clarify:** If it were music, what would it sound like? If it had a texture, what would it feel like? If it were edible or drinkable, what would it taste like? What celebrity or public figure is it most like? Ask yourself these questions during and after you’ve gotten a good feel of this mix. * * * RJS Research Assistant Androtics Direct ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx409-vs-androstenone-discussion-thread/61952/2 "2011-08-01T15:48:32Z")
This is my 1st test with MX409 **Background** MX409 was sent with MX408 and one of these two MX’s has been touted as the replacement for **Androstenone.** I think that I am one of the fabled few who can smell **Androstenone** so I started with this MX409 because I believe it is the one without **Androstenone.** **Product name,scent and strength** MX409, not sure of the scent. It may be [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) **Application dosage and locations** 2 sprays on neck **Environment tested in.** Grocery store **Effects to others** Strangely, no effect??? **Self effects.** This MX made me feel calm and relaxed. I was just a little tired after wearing it. **Duration of effects.** 1 1/2 hrs **Effects from mixing with other products.** Solo (N/A) **Range** 3 ft+. Walking and stopping. **Time exposure**. Subjects: 40 minutes. Self: 1 1/2 hrs. **Conclusion** As I walked around the grocery store I made sure that I was stopping to give people a good smell. I looked to see if anyone was following my trail… The grocery store is not my favorite testing environment however, I knew the store was a good test site because I got hits here before ([MX395? Really?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx395-really/50107)). I also got an unreported hit at this location while wearing IG and shine. A woman stopped me in the parking lot to tell me that I smelled good. Today though, I got nothing. I felt as if I was wearing a placebo. I was walking, smiling and observing but nothing. MX409 needs further testing and perhaps it needs a closed environment. ---
**Author:** ![ioncell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ioncell/32/1844_2.png) [@ioncell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ioncell)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx409-vs-androstenone-discussion-thread/61952/3 "2011-08-18T12:05:06Z")
Its a Long time .. As this is my secret diary. and i am talking it to the max, just recieved the mixes i long wanted to know more about : Drive him crazy pack:MX321,MX322,MX323,MX324,MX325,MX326 along with MX405,MX406,MX407,MX408,MX409,MX412,MX413 as I take a fast sniff at each one I put them as classes: like initial impression:decoding , putting my nose under the hood of an expert 😛 the oh my god “MX412,MX323” factor i want to wash my self with them - these two are winners IMHO [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) similar effect MX326 too obvilious,feminine like character MX322 hot,outgoing blonde MX324 cool down to earth hispanic MX325 who is she? interesting story there MX321 on the other side: completely aggressive : MX405 too romantic guy MX406 complete “package” of muscles , very cool and confident,kudos for this MX407 Raw urinary material sans the colour ,I want to know which animal ,it maybe diabetic scared cat 😃 MX408 : our MX405 guy has become more mature,grew chest hair MX409: the masculine equivalent of MX322, mystery guy, This thing needs refinement to complete..possible winner? oui MX413: no direction,the pheromonal expression of confusion my phero-receptors are blocked now,All the caffeine in the world wont help either.. for AD: that is a huge advancement , good luck though Peace * * *