# The OFFICIAL MX412/MX413 (vs A1/Androstadienone) Reporting Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** MX Test Results\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816 "2011-02-27T01:20:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![RJS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@RJS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RJS)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/1 "2011-02-27T01:20:13Z")
**What is MX412/MX413?** It is a double bottle package.\*\* This pair of MXs are experiments to replace A1/Androstadienone. This formula is designed so that it does not cause the reported A1-depression, while still being comforting. Official Store Announcement thread here. Another one here. MX412 - Lightly fragranced with akuto. MX413 - Lightly fragranced with neroli. Note: This product does not contain Androstadienone. **Status:** **Currently In Production** **Get MX412/MX413 here** : [MX412-MX413 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) Test Pack (Akuto & Neroli) :: MX Mix Packs :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) **Quote from original Release Thread July 20th, 2011]:** > [@](#): > > NEW! A-1/Androstadienone MX - Part of our new ‘verses’ series of MXs! > > Thanks to various testing data we have found an efficient formula that can be used in place of A-1 aka androstadienone. This formula is designed so that it does not cause the original A-1 depression that some reported as well as be far more efficient than other previously tested alternatives. > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/new-vs-a1-androstadienone-mx412-56010.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life **How to Test:** Spray like you would your usual cologne or perfume, on your usual pulse points. This mix has been calibrated to work best at a two spray dosage. Start there but try everything. We’re seeking to understand how the diffusion component works with the pheromonal molecule. At least once test with your usual cologne, so we can see how the diffusion technology we are testing works with cologne. Spray. Let dry. Sniff. Does the smell remind you of anything? What do you notice yourself feeling? What to Report: We’re collecting data on a few parameters, which I’ll explain here. **Strength** - How strong did you feel the effects? On yourself? On others? Did it hit you over the head, or was it more subtle? **Length of Effects** - When did you notice the onset of effects? When did you notice the outset? When did it peak? When did it wane? **Tenacity** - Tenacity refers to ?staying power?, or the aggressiveness of the cologne. Does it seem to “attack” people around you, or is it more of a “slow burner”? Does it seem like you can point your fume in one direction or another? **Effectiveness & Consistency** - How effective is this mix on a scale of 1-10 (1 bad, 10 killer)? Have its effects been consistent over time? **Diffusion/Sillage** - Sillage refers to your ?vapor trail?. Think of it like the wake of a ship. How many feet/meters is your vapor trail? Do people seem to follow your silage? Other weird questions that help clarify: If it were music, what would it sound like? If it had a texture, what would it feel like? If it were edible or drinkable, what would it taste like? What celebrity or public figure is it most like? Ask yourself these questions during and after you’ve gotten a good feel of this mix. Thank you, RJS Research Assistant Androtics Direct ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/2 "2011-08-15T14:48:24Z")
**Please link or post your MX412 + MX413 reports here to increase chances to be reviewed for reporting user status and to count towards keeping the status if you already have it.** ---
**Author:** ![SomeoneOrNot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/someoneornot/32/205_2.png) [@SomeoneOrNot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SomeoneOrNot)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/3 "2013-02-08T00:33:59Z")
Cross-posting this paragraph from my journal, regarding MX413: “So a word about A1 vs MX413 - and I should really post this in the mix reporting forums as well - MX413 has a very similar effect on the surface, in my opinion. It’s not exactly the same, like (for lack of a better description) it’s roughly the same form but you can kind of feel where the seams are. It’s very close in that sense, though - and it doesn’t seem to affect my friend who gets all weird around [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) very much, although I’m told people suspect that it’s in there. That said, A1 _does_ seem to go deeper - extends the effect further into the back of my mind. Again, I’m not a fan of this imprecise language but I simply lack the words. A1 used to make me depressed, I was one of those who had that problem with it. I’ve been using some A1 lately because I’ve been around a few girls who have been having trouble with their ladycycles. It has been fantastic for that. Ultimately, I think for most people’s purposes MX413 is a perfectly fine substitute for A1. It’s a little ‘brighter’ and I suspect the spectrum of effects might be slightly more unisex, but I don’t really think this is a problem.” ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/4 "2013-01-07T17:39:18Z")
Ah A1, I tell ya that substance has got to be one of the most controversial substances out in phero land. But AD did a good job with MX412 and MX413. They couldn’t quite replicate the crushy effects as Mobo stated but the self effects are waaaaay better than A1’s. Keep us posted on your progress.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/5 "2012-11-07T16:53:34Z")
MX413 2 sprays Neck & wrists Okay, so I’ve tried this now up to 2 sprays each time. Always either inside a car or house. I can say that everytime I have tried it, and kinda of closeness I feel with said girl. Now One is my sublet and the other my friend. both 20’s and white. It feels very similar to IH in a way or betanol. I still have half a 5ml bottle left so I’ll continue to try it, but so far It seems like a pretty good sub for A1, except I don’t really see anything sexual about it. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/6 "2012-09-02T16:46:29Z")
> [@A1 mix and its crush effect?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-mix-and-its-crush-effect/56588/9): > > A1 is back?? > is A1 the same as MX413? or is it just similar EFFECTS? No and no - MX413 was an attempt to emulate certain aspects of A1, not a replacement. ---
**Author:** ![tustinbarrile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tustinbarrile](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tustinbarrile)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/8 "2012-02-07T20:05:44Z")
is MX413 effective or is it just a poor imitation? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/9 "2012-01-11T23:44:36Z")
> [@arif8020](#): > > The closest alternative to this i believe is MX412 / MX413 based on the below thread of SteveO… > > [http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/androstadienone-reloaded-equals-a2-holy-freaking-38904-19.html](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/androstadienone-reloaded-equals-a2-holy-freaking-38904-19.html) [thread not found] > > There is some mention about MX412/MX413 being the closest alternative for IFM without the adverse self-effects. (this is on page 19 of the thread, posted by “mayro” > > SteveO, Tisha, please give your look on this and correct me if I am mistaken. > > Regards, MX412 and MX413 had nothing to do with that thread. That was a Dancing Joker special he sent me to test. Its to molecule heavy and using molecules no longer available. I believe the A1 alternative MX series was based off of members reports. ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 12:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/10 "2011-08-22T12:05:38Z")
MX413 Been testing MX413 for the last few days mainly on the GF, she responds extremly well to A1 so I was really interessted in seeing how 413 would affect her. Things did’nt really start differing from baseline until I reached 4 sprays, I also started to notice self effects at this dosage which she seemed to be mirroring. Bearing in mind we are still very much in the honeymoon period at the moment so this is also a big factor to take into account. **Effects noticed off Baseline or more Intense then usual** A strong need to be close to one another We Both became much more tactile, stroking each others arms, face, hair Locked eyes, for sometimes a few minutes without speaking a word If we where holding hands she would every so often squeeze it really tight and let out a little groan. It Almost was like we where in our own little bubble, the rest of the world did’nt matter. Time went by really quickly and niether of us wanted to go to sleep at the end of the night Sex was very slow, gentle, passionate. The same feelings seem to transfer over into the morning and subsequently she was late for work 😃 **So is MX413 a viable replacement for A1?** At this early stage of testing it is difficult to say if this is worthy of taking the place of A1 in my arsenal, but I definitley see great potential. The only thing I did’nt like was It made me feel a little too comfortable, it seemed to kill the conversation slightly and relaxed us a little too much, another thing was that she referred to me as cute on more then one occasion so Im wondering if this is making me come off as a bit vunerable or child like. Will keep you all updated ---
**Author:** ![RJS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea5d25/32.png) [@RJS](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RJS)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2011, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/11 "2011-08-07T07:59:50Z")
**What is MX413?** MX413 is the one from **MX412-413 package.** This pair of MXs are experiments to replace A1/Androstadienone. This formula is designed so that it does not cause the reported A1-depression, while still being comforting. MX412 - Lightly fragranced with akuto. MX413 - Lightly fragranced with neroli. Note: This product does not contain Androstadienone. **Status:** **Currently In Production** **Get MX413 here** : [MX412-MX413 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) Test Pack (Akuto & Neroli) :: MX Mix Packs :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) **Quote from original Release Thread July 20th, 2011]:** > [@](#): > > NEW! A-1/Androstadienone MX - Part of our new ‘verses’ series of MXs! > > Thanks to various testing data we have found an efficient formula that can be used in place of A-1 aka androstadienone. This formula is designed so that it does not cause the original A-1 depression that some reported as well as be far more efficient than other previously tested alternatives. **How to Test:** Spray like you would your usual cologne or perfume, on your usual pulse points. This mix has been calibrated to work best at a two spray dosage. Start there but try everything. We’re seeking to understand how the diffusion component works with the pheromonal molecule. At least once test with your usual cologne, so we can see how the diffusion technology we are testing works with cologne. Spray. Let dry. Sniff. Does the smell remind you of anything? What do you notice yourself feeling? What to Report: We’re collecting data on a few parameters, which I’ll explain here. **Strength** - How strong did you feel the effects? On yourself? On others? Did it hit you over the head, or was it more subtle? **Length of Effects** - When did you notice the onset of effects? When did you notice the outset? When did it peak? When did it wane? **Tenacity** - Tenacity refers to ?staying power?, or the aggressiveness of the cologne. Does it seem to “attack” people around you, or is it more of a “slow burner”? Does it seem like you can point your fume in one direction or another? **Effectiveness & Consistency** - How effective is this mix on a scale of 1-10 (1 bad, 10 killer)? Have its effects been consistent over time? **Diffusion/Sillage** - Sillage refers to your ?vapor trail?. Think of it like the wake of a ship. How many feet/meters is your vapor trail? Do people seem to follow your silage? Other weird questions that help clarify: If it were music, what would it sound like? If it had a texture, what would it feel like? If it were edible or drinkable, what would it taste like? What celebrity or public figure is it most like? Ask yourself these questions during and after you’ve gotten a good feel of this mix. Thank you, RJS Research Assistant Androtics Direct ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_F](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/brian_f/32/1573_2.png) [@Brian\_F](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Brian_F)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/12 "2014-03-04T03:29:58Z")
> [@Styr](#): > > Can’t the A-1 be replaced with MX412/MX41? At the time, John Sebastian had ambitiously created MX412-413 to make a replacement for A1, but I’m not sure it has a similar bonding profile as A1. We don’t have a lot of unbiased feedback on it, either. With a name like “Vs A1”, unbiased feedback is impossible. The name leads the game. A few things could have been done better. IMHO if John Sebastian obfuscated the intention of the mixpack instead of make it so blatant, maybe we would have had some more honest feedback closer to its true nature. The naming scheme caused demand characteristics. I think calling something “vs. ‘Extremely Hyped Thing in The Pheroverse’” sets a mixpack up for failure. The last bottles of IFM shipped in spring 2009 and were never restocked. Once the stock depleted, MHarris never allowed it back in production. There are many factors why we reached this decision. Safety, liability, necessity, misuse/abuse, and overall compatibility with our core values. Many have petitioned for a restock, but the answer is always a firm “No.” If there are [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/) anyone can recommend that bear the bonding/female comfort upsides, without the heterosexual male depression/suicidal ideation downsides, we’re always open to the feedback! ---
**Author:** ![hypno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hypno](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hypno)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/13 "2013-11-26T16:10:34Z")
Hi, Guys, I’d forgotten all about the mx412/3 mix Until I stumbled upon them the other day. After the disappointment of them I’ve decided to vamp them up with NPA and A1 in different measures and mixes , just to give them a kick. It’s going to take a while to test, ill report as I go. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/14 "2013-07-04T01:32:26Z")
What made you arrive at a choice between those products? Pherlure - Well, it is a difficult product and although it does have something, it is grossly overhyped to the point where its pretty much a scam. In fact the only thing it has going for it is its scent, which is quite good. As for pheros, I think we could point you at a light social/sexy combination that will do similar things, far more effectively and for considerably less! MX412 - This is an experimental product, so no warranty and no certainty of long term avilibility. In fact MX412 is a **very** experimental product, aimed at replicating the properties of just one molecule - A1. Which it does very well in some ways but not at all in others. So it is very limited compared to more rounded-out and fully tested products/mixes sold here. Can you tell us a bit more about yourself -personality, situation, your GF, what you are hoping for from phero use and your opportunities to use them. This gives us the basic info to help give better advice and it also earns you the GC to help get started. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2013, 9:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/15 "2013-05-03T09:32:03Z")
Personally, I’d have left out the IO, esp as you already have some alphanol in the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). I’ve not found it at all effective in crushy/fallout mixes. Just seems to weaken the effect overall. Also, MX412/413 do replicate the comforting/moderating side of A1 well but have never demonstrated the crushy/romantic effects, nor the potential negative self effects. I presume you mean a 30ml bottle because 25ml of other components won’t fit in a togo - And three drops of A1 in that lot is barely even steering level. I’d be thinking on maybe 3-5ml A1 (what concentration is it?) in order to get an effective A1 dose in that volume. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2013, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/16 "2013-05-03T03:28:37Z")
MX412 replicates many of A1’s qualities without the risk of negative effects but it lacks the crushy/fallout properties that many people depend on A1 for. [MX412 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) (Akuto Fragrance) :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) Also, the IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) combo is one I’ve used pretty interchangably with A1 in many mixes without ill-effect but again, although it is very comforting/bonding/engaging and a reasonable fallout-promoter plus being more widely usable in different mix styles eg work/professional/trusting), its not A1 by a long-shot. TUTH can be used around younger women in the right situations - raunchy/uninhibited times, parties, clubs and the like where feelings run wild, inhibitions slip away and an overt none signature becomes much more acceptable, if you moderate it well - IO/IS is a good for this and MX412 is similarly a good moderator. Also, on a younger guy it helps to slow the diffusion a bit by applying the TUTH on your chest, under light clothing but it is not at all good to wear in a school/work/polite social environment because of the agressive/big-throbbing-knob vibe it can give-off. ---
**Author:** ![hypno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hypno](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hypno)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2013, 12:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/17 "2013-04-18T12:39:52Z")
Hi all, I’ve been testing mx412 and 413 for months now and absolutely disappointed, doesn’t seem to have any effect at all, even self effects. I’ve just ordered some A1 to compare. Cheers ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 12:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/18 "2013-03-18T12:07:25Z")
If you are looking for similar comfort and moderation properties, have a look at MX412/413 - which is a good replacement, although it does entirely lack A1’s yearning/crushy/fallout properties but yes, A1 is not an essential phero and you can still do very well without it. I often leave it well alone for long periods. In fact, like [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and A314, A1 is a phero that some people can get too hung-up on using and often end-up smothering otherwise interesting and effective mixes with it. ---
**Author:** ![hypno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9de053/32.png) [@hypno](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hypno)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 7:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/19 "2013-01-22T07:13:57Z")
Hi all, I’ve been testing mx412 and 413 for a few weeks now and i hav’nt had any result at all.Strange.!!! Slightly confused at mo.When i reverted back to using A314 oil and AMMO and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) you could tell immediate difference.Perhaps i’m an alien lol. Help please..Thanks ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2012, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/20 "2012-08-17T09:16:13Z")
Ok buddy, I am here to help. 🆒 You are 31, good looking, just have a problem striking a solid connection that lasts. I am going to skip the normal “What type and age of woman do you want” and dive into the meat, as plenty of other users can advise on solid blends that have been used hundreds of times. You intimidate women. If you are considered “Hot” by women they already are intimidated. When you use IG you are so Alpha than men bend over for you. I do not think that being Alpha is the problem. If it were, a dab of A314 under your nose for self effects is enough to make you congruent,. But this will further isolate you from who you are after. To meet a gal, you need a Hook. A hook is something which sets you apart from other guys. Yours may be your looks. If you can approach a woman, get her to respond and get some relationships, you know how to do this dance. Then you need to connect. If your long term relationships fails, you are never connecting. Mone wise, you have two options for a ‘crush’ effect. A1 and MX412 give you a crush effect on a physical level. A1 can lead to depression in some men, so be wary. Then you have the crush effect from socials, P74 and IH. They give off the boyfriend vibe quick. It can be friend zone, but your actions can dictate other wise. How to be Alpha? How to stay outside the friend zone? All in the same. Touch, leading, intentions. Hug, hold hands, and push the envelope physically quick. Lead her, make her know you are the man and in charge. Direct her. And your intentions. Stay on your purpose. If she wants to talk about something negative or friendly, change the topic. She knows that 9/10 guys who approach want something, she is not stupid. So do not beat around the bush. Small talk kills early stage interactions. It goes from non-personal to personal to sexual topics. So first is weather, then is where does she live, and third is how was her first sexual experience. If you ramp up the touching and your subject matter for conversation, you will not get friend zones, she will know your intentions and you will be Alpha for doing so. If you do all this, you still will not have a connection. You can lead, get her hooked, have attraction, and she may want to sleep with you. P74 and IH establish a primal connection. With leading and the P74, IH combo, P83 could be priceless, she will be attracted and act. But we still have a commitment issue. An intimidation issue. MX297, that you enjoy, could help. It has top notch self effects, is Beta-like to me (Not Alpha male), and party-esque. But 297 can give off the clown vibe and rides the fine line between best friend. All girls would love a friend who is fun, but odds are they do not want to marry “that guy” per se. I love MX297, if you approach, and are Alpha it can be steered. A far as relationships go, I am in a relationship that plans to end when she goes cross-country back to school, and on my end it is open. She is only seeing me, and she knows I am looking around because she is leaving. I wear 297 around her (Note, drinking plus 297 get you hammered quickly) and we have a load of fun. Its a self amused blend. When I go out, to bars, or clubs, my entire premise is self amused, always has been. So MX297 is PERFECT for me. I would NEVER wear MX297 during the day, I am busy, women are busy, they do not have time to chat with the fun guy. But they do have time to chat with the direct, Alpha man. If at bars or clubs you are not the self amused guy, I would not advise MX297. It is not congruent. It will off put your intimidation, but at what cost? So you go out at night, are Alpha, women already are intimidated. You need socials for women under 30, for over 35 you are good to go with some Ammo. MX297 is the ultimate social mix, but as aforementioned is iffy for you. I would without a doubt go for IH and P74 as your connection mix. Add it to any attraction molecule (P75, Ammo, [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), TuTH, ect) and you are good to go. Establishing the connection is not enough. You need to feed this river water. Early stages you work on standing out, attraction. Once you have that you jump into what in the PUA world they call comfort. What is the most effective way to solidify a connection? A compliment. Plain and simple. Compliment something unique to her. Her aura, a birthmark, a unique sense of fashion. Something non-physical. Boom, its another hook, that shows her you are interested. Layer on IH/P74 with a steady way to solidify a connection and you are in. Now we handle the last issue, the long-term relationship. Comfort, letting herself be who she wants to be. Sadly, PUA material does not help much, nor can I offer a wealth of knowledge, I am only 21. I do know I had a girlfriend want to marry me after 6 months, I had to break up with her because I was too young, and she moved too quick. How did I hook her? Simple, really. For one, I always tease, cat and mouse if you will. Second, I compliment when she would generally impress me or make me happy. Third, I established that and why I needed her, and vice versa. And fourth, we openly discussed just about everything. For one, I teased her religiously. This is why we cant have nice things, was that supposed to be a joke, thats cuts my little sister does it the same way, ect. Always being a bit sarcastic to keep her on her toes and interested. Two is easier. If she does something nice for me, I compliment. In fact, I was open on things I did not like, and complimented what I did. Honest communication and she knew she was appreciated. Three is natural. You can find something you have and she doesnt (A car, knowledge, a job) which many guys do, or do it the natural way. Plain and simple you are a man and she is a woman. She needs you and you need her. You are Alpha, strong, masculine, she is feminine, beta, and weak. You need her as much as she needs you. Establish these roles early and ensure you two are equals. Fourth is what I would call the third date syndrome. First couple dates are fun and light. Third you two decide if you have substance to continue the relationship. I continue to expand on date three. We talk as much about our hopes, dreams, and past as much as what is going on in the moment. This was HUGE because it makes her realize you are a person, a regular person. A normal guy. It removes the intimidation and the stand-off vibe women may feel. Lets bring this home, Mones are great but are the icing on the cake. You must be congruent with them. They help set a good first impression, so the P74 and IH crush mix is perfect to establish the connection. You need to keep the fire going always. Once you are in a relationship, keeping it dynamic is key. Tease, joke, compliment, and connect. Making a solid bond and giving her a reason to date you (Not friend) is hard. But most great relationships include a friendship within them. Good luck mate, and other questions I would be glad to field as well. ---
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\*\*Thoughts on some molecules and products. **I will update this post as I try new things and solidify my thoughts on items. May add combinations. \*\* Commercial Line:** A314: Leader of men. High respect and high status product. People get intimidated easily but if you can open others, this product is worth its weight in gold. Works well with Instant Openness. Can be serious and stifling, works best on clients or older women. [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/): The younger brother of A314, but more mellow, less aggressive and relaxed. Gives off a younger appeal. Younger women love this consumer line product. A personal favorite. Works great with Instant Openness. Ammo: Well buffered sexual mix. Wearer is sexy and confident. It is hard to OD on this product, but the more you spray the more overt the mix becomes due to None content. I find at 21, it becomes a bit much for girls in my age range and over one spray it is a bit too much. Works well with Instant Shine. Great for clubs. Summer Ammo: This is Ammo buffered with P130 and TAA, the primary component of Instant Shine. Much more well rounded than Ammo, great for younger girls. Instant Jerk: Think of four shots Ammo, no social buffering with a layer of bad boy vibe. It is a strong and sexual cocky vibe. Repels many men and women, makes men aggressive. If a women in in ovulation or ready for intimacy this makes it easy to progress, otherwise it is hard to use. Turn up the heat: Or TUTH. A strong and sexual mix. Very overt. Works best on women over 30 or before sex. It repels younger women as it is too strong. Instant Shine: Or IS. This is a social which gives the wearer a healthy glow. It makes you seem young, vibrant and healthy. A great social. Works well with anything. Instant Openness: IO is an ice breaker. It makes conversation flow, and more light. Works well for shy people, great to meet younger women. Instant Honesty: IH is the right hand of IO. If allows for a deeper connection. Great for the intimacy and becoming closer to another person. Makes conversation deep. CTTM: Former consumer product. CTTM is come talk to me. Favorite of those for connection building. Replicated with Double Strength IO and OH in equal proportions. **Putative Line:** P74: Boyfriend molecule. It gives off the cool guy vibe. In combination with IH it gives off a crush effect. It is a familiar feeling. Mcg dosage in the ball park of 20. This can be a substitute for IH. That is how you get the crush effect, they combine to give a deep connection. P75: Sexual, Primal Molecule. It works better than None with younger women. It comes off as masculine more so than sexual. Adds a sexual and masculine undertone to any social, or non-none product. 2.5 - 5.0 mcg is optimal. It gets bad quick. P79: Mood amplifier. Use with any putative to amplify the effects. I prefer it with softer products to make them overt. Use with P83 to steer is more sexual. Mcg range is about 15. P83: Touchy-feely molecule. It reduces inhibitions. Use around women with any suggestive molecule to ramp it up sexually faster. Love effects with P75. Soft effect at 20 mcg, can ramp up to about 60. P91: Social effect. Makes you more outgoing and social. Makes you the social kingpin. You are funny, loud, charismatic. 2.5 - 5.0 mcg optimal. P93: Feminine and confident. I dislike this one, it befriends men and women, but sticks you in the friend zopne. It does not balance out with None and conflicts with P75. Could moderate with -rone, but have not got the dosage correct. P95: Female attractant, is light and giggly as an effect to women. Builds a lose connection like you were a woman, but is not heavily feminine. P96: Female softening and mood enhancer. Can ramp down P75 and None. Slows down diffusion and slows down efficacy of other products. Works like a longer wick on a candle. P102: Social. Makes you stand out in the crowd. Enhances the mood and senses. P114: Instant openness on steroids. With IO I get women more friendly, talkative, but it has its limits. With P114 it is a never ending flow of jibberish. I almost needed to ask a gal to shut up. P130: Unreactive. Think of it as the too cool for school guy in High School. It is the guy who was in a band, Alpha but not aggressive. Can steer the age of any product down significantly. **MX’s:** MX301: Or ICM. One of Steve’s mix’s. For pick-up. Has a solid mix of attraction and bonding molecules for be a solid pick up product. Has been updated several times. MX412: An attempt to mellow out A1 and remove the depression effects in men. A1 is a molecule which is female, and mimics the crush effect. Not as effective as A1, but if A1 gives you depression it is worth a try. MX297: Life of the party, center of attention MX. Comfort building and social spotlight. Can get you into the friend zone. Self effects is light, you take yourself less seriously and enjoy the moment. Buffer with P75 to remove the friend zone threat. MX390: Variation of MX390, a tad less rockstar vibe. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816.md?page=2)