# The OFFICIAL MX412/MX413 (vs A1/Androstadienone) Reporting Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** MX Test Results\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816 "2011-02-27T01:20:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Damage\_Control](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/damage_control/32/1059_2.png) [@Damage\_Control](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Damage_Control)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/22 "2012-08-05T02:23:24Z")
4 sprays of MX412 to sternum area last night (I scrubbed up before applying). Didn’t seem as sticky and TUTH like as the first time I tried it. After resolving some issues with my SO she was calm and relaxed before I applied the mones. She stayed that way for the rest of the evening while we watched a TV show and spent a little time talking before bed. It was a little warm in the bedroom but she didn’t comment on the smell at all. I did apply a cheap EDT to my jaw to try and offset the Akutu. It didn’t seem to affect the overall scent too much. I could smell the EDT at first but that soon wore off and I could easily detect the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/). I’ve no idea if she could smell it at all but I’d had a bath so she should’ve expected a bodyspray/antiperspirant type smell afterwards. I cannot say how much of an effect the MX412 had on her. The important thing was I didn’t put a foot wrong last night. I’ll save the rest of my MX412 for when she definitely has PMS and report back then. ---
**Author:** ![Damage\_Control](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/damage_control/32/1059_2.png) [@Damage\_Control](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Damage_Control)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2012, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/23 "2012-08-04T06:45:11Z")
I’ve never used A1 although I am seriously considering picking up a bottle. I have a few problems with my partner that are well documented in [my journal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/damage_controls-damage-limitation-exercises/56150). there was another incident last night that was sparked off by her OCD. She’s never really noticed the mones I’ve worn before but picked up on the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) scent the 2nd time she entered the room. She noticed it again almost immediately on entering our bedroom a 3rd time that evening. I say our but all my stuff is in the front room - it makes it easier for her to kick me out when she feels the need. She was in and out of the room that evening because she was watching a Big Brother Eviction last night. I’d forgotten that MX412 was Akuto scented when I applied it. It was quite strong and spicy compared to neroli which I find dries down to almost nothing. It’s base reminded me a little of TUTH in neroli - it had that whiff that catches the throat - just a note of it . The mones in it seemed quite sticky too very much like TUTH but not as ‘viscous’. I thought at first, she was touchy feely with me but that didn’t last and I had applied 2 sprays of HEAVY AMMO 7 hours earlier. I also had couple of drops of A314 on, which had been applied about 4 hours earlier. Anyway, she kicked off about 2 hours after I had applied 4 sprays of MX412 to my neck - there aren’t any mones that would have prevented her eruption. Today she is on the warpath so whether I will get a chance to test I do not know. I will be cleaning off the A314 I am wearing now and applying 4 sprays again. This time to the sternum area - I need to pretend it is antiperspirant and I don’t think my armpits will have quite the desired effect 😃 BTW it is not her time of the month. She came on 5 days late for just one day. IME this means I can expect her to be complete nightmare until mid August and then it’ll start all over again… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/24 "2012-01-31T15:14:48Z")
**How to get over your EX and get your confidence back (and if you happen to make him/her jealous in the process BONUS!)** Okay well I have always been a very intuitive individual, which might be hard to accept considering how many times I have fallen for the wrong girl it seems. I think after the numerous times and reasons I have been dumped over the years has given me a bit of insight in the female mind so I am going to share with you my process. The first thing one must do to get over an EX is delete any and all forms of contact from your phone, instant messenger etc. But if you are fortunate enough to still be Facebook friends leave it, but NEVER look at her profile. Refreshing her profile page to see what she is up to is stalking her and it is god awful to do to yourself and to her really. I have sadly been there refreshing a facebook page or just logging into facebook almost every hour seeing what is up. You will just make yourself sick and come off as pathetic because let’s face it, you are. STOP it. The biatch dumped you, not because you suck, because she sucks. **No Contact** So yeah, it might have killed your confidence, so here is how you take it back. First rule is the NO Contact rule. I know how much you are dying to talk to your ex and find out what went wrong, but let me tell you it will just upset you more and give her even more power over you and make you even more unattractive in her eyes. By cutting off contact you are doing two things that are beneficial. You are on your first steps to regaining your confidence, but also at making her the insecure one. Imagine being able to turn the tables even after a breakup, it is doable. By breaking off all communication and not looking at her profile online you are allowing your mind to heal and you will soon realize the girl you can’t live without is really not all she’s cracked up to be. You will only think of the good times but block out all the bad, focus on the bad, that is step two. **Cleansing/Letting Go** Take all of the good things you love and remember about her and write them all down. Then subsequently turn it over and write all of the bad things as well, you might say there are not bad things, but there are trust me. The no contact period is a great time to do this, but depending on your mindset you might have to wait a few weeks before you can do this because you will still be blinded by what could have been and what you could have done differently etc. For me because I have been through this a lot I am ready to bounce back after a few days of wallowing in self pity so I can usually get the pros and cons list written within the same week of the breakup, your mileage may vary. **Self Improvement** Self improvement, is the next step. You probably let yourself go a bit being in a committed relationship, we all do believe me. Because your confidence is shot you need to help build it up. Sure you could throw on some A314 or Ammo or something but it will only be a temporary fix. You need to get your actual mind there on your own. For me I simply took a long shower and shaved off the bushy beard that was growing on my face due to neglect. Then the next day I went and got myself a brand new hair cut. Change is good. By changing yourself you will start to build your self worth back up and thus your confidence. I also suggest maybe hitting the gym, doing some exercise is great because it will get you in shape and increase those lovely endorphins in your brain to make you feel great. Another good thing to do, buy some new clothes, a new look may be just what you need to look even more sexy than you used to before you met the old ball and chain. During this stage I suggest wearing some A314, Instant Shine, and perhaps some [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/). Be happy, you haven’t talked to your ex in a while now you got a new haircut you feel more fit because you are working out, girls are going to notice. By now you should already be well on your way back to your confident old self. Seeing a sexy confident man buying some nice looking clothes will turn lots of eyes on you, take advantage for you will need some admirers for the next step. **Dating** Dating. I know you might think how could you possibly date again after what that bitch of an ex did to you. In my case she broke up with me via text message despite the fact there were no signs in our relationship that she had a problem. I was devastated, still am, but I will not let her win I will have the last laugh yet. You don’t have to find a new girlfriend and start a new commitment so soon, but casual dating and meeting new people will be a great way not only to build up your confidence and attractiveness but also a great way to potentially meet a new lucky lady. In the stage of casual dating you need to tread lightly, do not start thinking of your ex, do not talk about your ex, do not even hint you have an ex. You will trigger those bad emotions we have been working so hard to bury and you will not only lose that new found confidence, you will also come off as a needy insecure blubbering idiot to the new potential hottie sitting across from you. You might think playing the hurt sensative guy will be hott, maybe for some women, and maybe only temporary, but for the most part they will not want anything to do with you or want future dates. I recommend for a guy like me, the nerdy fun loving guy, to utilize this combination of mones. Ammo, to give off that sexy vibe. Instant Honesty to open the door to meaningful conversations that will make a girl think you are deep and intelligent. MX412 (A1) to give her those butterfly feelings that will linger during and after the date. P79 to supercharge all of the mones you are wearing, at least that seems to be my input on this combination. It worked wonders with V in the beginning, my problem I wasn’t congruent and got too comfortable with the relationship and lost my cool and collective attitude that made me so attractive to V in the first place. **Sweet Vengeance** This step isn’t entirely necessary unless you are trying to do one of two things, get your EX to come back to you, or basically make them hurt and jealous and make them realize they made a big mistake. I told you if you are still friends on facebook to stay that way, here is why. Now that you have a sexy new makeover and you are out having fun, let her and everyone else know it. Always keep a digital camera or smart phone handy for a quick and convenient way to document the new sexy you and all the fun you are having without your girlfriend. Not only will this boost your confidence even more to get the likes and pats on the back from all of your guy friends and the oohs and awws from all of your female friends, but it will also be seen by your because I guarantee if you kept to the no contact rule she will be stalking your profile much like you did in the beginning. If you have kept to the no contact rule I guarantee she will see these pictures and start initiating communication with you again. For the recently scorned this might be what they were hoping for, but I can’t stress this enough, DO NOT LOSE YOUR COOL. Don’t start immediately talking about the relationship and how good you were and why you should get back together, you will just cement her decision of breaking up with you because you are needy and insecure. This is key. Do not be bitter, do not be angry, be friendly, treat her like an old friend, nothing more, nothing less. If she asks what you have been up to just say hanging out with the guys at bars, clubs, etc. Do not tell her you have been dating and tapping all of those fine looking ladies in your facebook pictures, in fact don’t mention them at all, it will make her think you are hiding something and make her jealous even more, it will also be frustrating because she doesn’t want to let you know she has been stalking your profile so by not talking about the pictures you posted it will make her a bit crazy lol. If she starts to break at the seems you will see the jealousy slipping in she might ask you about any girls you have been seeing. Or worse, she may talk about this awesome guy she has been dating. If she brings this up know she is trying to get a reaction out of you, don’t give her the satisfaction. Just say, aw that’s nice. When the conversation hits the 5-10 minute mark end it by saying, listen I gotta go out with some friends, I will talk to you later. Then it is important, do not talk to her later, in fact wait a few days again. I guarantee if she contacts you first again she will be well on her way to wanting to get back together with you. If this is what you want, congratulations. If you are just looking to make her feel the pain you felt, keep it up, but don’t be too cruel she is still a human being and has feelings just like you. But I guarantee she will start thinking she made the biggest mistake of her life letting you go, you know why. Because you are the prize my friend. **Final Notes** Whether you get a new girlfriend, or get the old one back, there is something important you have to keep in mind. You need to keep up with the cool collective sexy indifferent lifestyle. This is my mantra from now on, and I highly encourage it being your mantra as well. The one who cares the least in a relationship has the power. I am not saying don’t care about your girlfriend, you do care about her, just don’t let her know how much you really do and that will keep her hooked to you like glue. the second the power shifts and you go from Alpha to Beta, that is when your girlfriend sends you a random text message saying she is overwhelmed and she doesn’t have time, the time and affection you deserve. I became insecure, and beta, girls hate that. No pedestal I can’t stress that enough. So if you are guilty of this as well always remember, your ex had genuine feelings of attraction to you before when you were alpha, if you stay alpha she will stay with you. If you become alpha again even after a breakup she will more than likely reconsider being with you again. One never does know does one. So that is basically the system I am using right now and it is doing wonders for me in the confidence department. I feel myself thinking about V less and less and that is the healthy thing to do. You have to let go of your Ex before you can move on! Oddly enough, you have to let go of your Ex even if your goal in the end is to get back with them, because you have to take the power back, and to do that you have to be the sexy confident guy she fell for to begin with which is impossible if you go back to being the insecure and blubbering beta guy she dumped! ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![arif8020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/13edae/32.png) [@arif8020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/arif8020)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 10:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/25 "2012-01-11T10:49:21Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > This is not an alternative IFM. MX412/MX413 are an attmpt to simulate its main component. However IFM had other components hat have never been disclosed. > > How were you wanting to use IFM? Because if attraction is involved, A1 may not be the best phero. On its own, it can be far too comforting/best-friendly. To be useful in attraction, A1 usually needs to be paired with none/other status/social pheros in a mix. > > As the board problems seem to mean I can’t post links just now, try searching-out the “ **A1 Guide** ” and the “ **A1 Mix Repository** ” threads here to get a better idea of A1’s good and bad points and how people have used it alongside other pheros to best effect. Thanks mobocaster. Would search for the above and do some more research. And for the benefits of others, I am posting the link specifically to “A1 guides” (**Androstadienone Guide) and (Androstadienone** Mix Repository) A1 Guide: [Androstadienone Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-guide/37668) A1 Mix Repository: [The A1 Mix Repository](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-a1-mix-repository/42465) These might not be the absolutely correct threads, but I believe they are and its for everybody’s benefit. Thanks again mobocaster.. Regards, ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 10:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/26 "2012-01-11T10:14:54Z")
> [@arif8020](#): > > There is some mention about MX412/MX413 being the closest alternative for IFM without the adverse self-effects. This is not an alternative IFM. MX412/MX413 are an attmpt to simulate its main component. However IFM had other components hat have never been disclosed. How were you wanting to use IFM? Because if attraction is involved, A1 may not be the best phero. On its own, it can be far too comforting/best-friendly. To be useful in attraction, A1 usually needs to be paired with none/other status/social pheros in a mix. As the board problems seem to mean I can’t post links just now, try searching-out the “ **A1 Guide** ” and the “ **A1 Mix Repository** ” threads here to get a better idea of A1’s good and bad points and how people have used it alongside other pheros to best effect. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/27 "2011-12-19T18:04:56Z")
Ah so do you want MX412 or A1.. I think MX412 would probably be better as a stand alone, forum is looking for feedback on it too… A1 is more of icing for a large collection of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/).. or if you have a pmsing gf thats becoming too much 🙄 [Androstadienone Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-guide/37668) ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dc4da7/32.png) [@Professor\_P](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Professor_P)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/28 "2011-12-19T17:35:47Z")
Over the last several months I’ve found a wide variety of different things about various pheros (or my “nomes” as I so endearingly call them). Some of it more crazy than others. Thought I might share. **TAC** : One of the single greatest molecules ever made. Period. If I could get a massive bottle of this I would. It’s like instant cuddle. Women will just love the way it feels to be in your arms with this stuff. It’s one of those loosen up, cloud feel molecules. It’s solid. It’s relaxing. The perfect buffer to nearabouts anything if you ask me. I’m almost out. I need to buy more and more and more. Best TA series investment I’ve ever made. I will say, though, that too much might be too relaxing. They might just fall asleep in your arms or something. 😛 **TAF** : Hate this! What?! Yes. Which is ironic because I ordered p83 and they accidentally mixed me another bottle of TAF instead of p83 (but in the same scent and so forth). LOL! I probably should call and get it switched or something. It can be good when you are playing sports I guess. BUT IT’S TOO INTENSE! I’ve had two main experiences with TAF. My first one was so bad I was kinda scared to ever wear it again. Essentially, it consisted of be being extremely impatient (I’m usually a really laid back, easy going, and patient person), coming off as a jerk (I even apologized at one point because I thought I was being a jerk), and the chick I was with just freaking out and overreacting to top things off. We were fine after but it was ridiculous. Out of character reactions all the way around. The second memorable time, I sprayed some to go play sports. I think it had a pretty good effect. Decent leadership. My focus was pretty on. All in all, not a bad fit if you ask me. But afterwards I hung out with friends and played some games in a more confined space. AGAIN I saw the TAF effect. My friends (even ones who are usually very easy going and almost never mad, confrontational, or irritable) got really irritable, aggressive, and impatient. It completely threw me off at first… and I was like… yikes! I still got TAF on! I quickly hit myself with some IS and IO and TAC to try to counter it. I went heavy (especially with the IS) and the mood changed to more normal afterwards… but TAF… DO NOT LIKE WHAT IT DOES IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS! So I really don’t like this molecule. Maybe it’s just how they mixed it or because I foolishly (although it didn’t seem foolish at the time) got it in 25 mcg per spray doses. (Ya. Dumb. I know.) My verdict. Only for sports use or anything ADD or maybe if you are trying to focus on something you will be doing by yourself where you don’t need interaction or wont be around others. At least at such high doses. This stuff is lethal. Grrr… So do not want this extra bottle of this stuff… my first bottle is still almost 100% full… and probably will be for a long long time… 😕 LOL! **TAA** : I was not all that impressed. I guess it is like Shine. I think Shine is the better use of your money. Just saying. Try it once if you are looking for a few jollies… but Instant Shine is still the superior “bang for your buck” if you ask me. **MX412** : I think I got this before they actually added flyers to explain the testing idea. Or maybe I bought it myself. I don’t remember. At any rate, like a moron (this was extremely early on) I really didn’t do much testing with this. I mixed it with other things (and while I really didn’t know what I was doing anyways) and all that kind of stuff. What a waste, right? I don’t know what exactly this does other than to say in my memory this is still really good stuff. It had all positive response with mixes. It’s a winner… I think. But that’s all I can really tell you or remember for that matter. Sorry. Maybe I’ll somehow get ahold of this again and retest it. Do they even still make this Mx? lol! **MX422** : It’s polarizing. People either react very well to you or not so good. And I think whatever the negative impression this thing gives… it’s pretty solidly lasting (at least for those exposed to higher doses). It seems to linger into future meetings. But maybe that’s just in my head. What I can say, though, is that if you get with a girl that responds positively to this stuff… you are absolutely golden with this stuff on. It’s like wearing phero gold. People who like this will respond very well to it and higher doses (3-4) equal a very fun and playful atmosphere. It mixes well with pretty much anything else at lower does (2 sprays). I’m on the fence with this one but definitely wouldn’t mind getting more for further testing. **Mx297** : This one can add a little fun and excitment to any mix. But I feel it is a great SOCIAL. I repeat. SOCIAL. You need to spike this with something if you want anything outside of the friendzone. I’ve come to the opinion that if you want to become good friends with someone, friendzone yourself with a girl, or slowly shift a girls feelings towards you from sexual to friend, this is the stuff (yes! There are occasions you might want to do that). I’m not saying that adding it to any mix will screw with your sexual edge. I’m just saying using it by itself. (Maybe it gives you that out of their league feel? Just a wild guess. I really don’t know. I might not even necessarily effect everyone that way. Test it yourself and see what you find.) You use it by itself in doses of 2 to 3 sprays or more and I’d suggest that it’s an amazing social that will equal super friend. I’m not necessarily going to say it’s the bestfriend effect. Maybe more like solid, dependable, long time friend effect. And maybe that’s why it can have a friendzone effect. It’s like that friend that you find so valuable that you wouldn’t want to risk something sexual because they are too valuable to risk losing. Don’t get me wrong. I LOVE this stuff! I wish I could get a giant bottle. There are certain people that you WANT in that zone (girls and guys like) which this is great for. In addition, it’s a great spice to your sexual mixes when added in lightly. It enhances certain aspects to give them a new edge and flavor. I will say once again. Solid social. Should be part of an Instant line. Instant Value? Instant Friend? Instant Connection? I don’t know but it should be Instant something! **AMMO** : My first ammo had major leakage… I always seem to run into leakage problems with this product. I think next time I get it I’ll just get the giant bottle. Never had leakage problems with them. My observations with this one are pretty minimal surprisingly. It does seem excellent. But it felt more like cologne. I personally feel I’ve had better results creating my own mixes than with ammo. But that’s just me. I’m sure this has actual merit. I just need to get more and do more testing. **A314 a & b** : The one is golden. It’s a must have in any collection if you ask me. It’s great. It commands respect. It gives alpha. It adds confidence and leadership. It’s not overwhelming in small doses (1 to 2 sprays) but it still gives most mixes a bit of an edge. There’s such a nice subtle edge factor in each spray. I highly support the purchase of this product. I don’t see how it couldn’t be worth anyone’s while. **Instant Shine** : This is a “godsent”. Instant “happy magic”… when you first start using it the self-effects are fantastic! It’s like happy spray. I do believe you build up an immunity to this (oh poo!) somewhat over time. However, it’s still a winner. It makes you seem younger and vigorous to others. It puts everyone usually in a good, light, and even energetic mood. I can turn the mood for tense to laughter and smiles after only a few sprays. It’s solid. If you have never tried nomes and still have your doubts, try IS. The self-effects by themselves should remove all your doubts. It’s all about the CMS ( **C** ommittee for **M** ore **S** hine)! 😉 **[Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/)**: Ok. So this one is interesting. If you were to talk to me a few weeks or months ago I would say that Instant Honesty was the far superior product. Just skip instant openness and go for IH. However, I have realized how ignorant my thinking was over time. Sometimes you DO NOT WANT INSTANT HONESTY. Instant openness is great because it is light. It gives you that conversation spark and uplifts the mood but doesn’t overdo it. Sometimes you just want good idle chat and plain socializing. If you are not in the mood for a deep conversation or something more intense, instant openness is the way better way to go. I love it for what it is designed to do. I think it’s great for most parties or occasions. It also works well with IH. It’s a win-win all the way around if you ask me. **Instant Honesty** : My love for this has waned a tad. I think it’s something, though, that’s great to use if you are looking for a serious relationship or really want to learn a lot about the person you are with and feel deeply connected. But sometimes you don’t want all that. Especially not early on. If not, use with caution. I remember having this girl extra open up and expect me to do same, too, and I found that so weird (I’m not one to open up to people I don’t know that well anyways) and then remembered that I had a high IH mix. It was more emotion and person than I really wanted. I just wanted to have a nice simple night and maybe end it with a kiss. Maybe more. Maybe less. But not quite that. Too much covered. I definitely dialed down my IH use after that. Don’t get me wrong, though. I’ve had some GREAT experiences using this one, too. Just keep in mind that it is effective so be prepared (especially as you raise the dosage). Now I tend to use it with equal amounts of IO as they buffer each other quite well when I’m not going for a very deep and personal moment feel. **P75** : I may be using this one wrong. I just don’t notice the “lady killer” magic this one is supposed to have. Maybe it’s just real subtle. I don’t notice that much at all. But maybe that’s wrong. It’s just that I’ve had it in some great mixes that have worked to great effect. But I’ve not necessarily notice that terribly much when it’s by itself. I’ve seen better results with the correct mixture of things from the instant line. But maybe I’m using it wrong. I clearly need to test this one more. I’m sure there is an application and magic to this one. I just have to find it. **P83** : The “god molecule” itself. I think I had leakage… so that hurts. Then one of my containers was sent with TAF instead of p83 so instead of lots of testing I’ve tried to use it more sparingly to make it last. Still ran out anyways. 😕 My thoughts? It does add something. I know that for a fact because when using the same mixes and substituting back and forth between p75 and p83 I noticed a different and more confident (possibly alpha) edge to p83. I still don’t find this one to be AS magic as everyone suggests. I need more testing (and probably to get more so I’m not so scared to use it). But right now… all I can say is that I do believe it has potential but I’m not sold on it. I guess we’ll see. 😛 _ **A1** _: I had to get this from an outside source, of course. What can I say? I really don’t know what to think about this one. At first I thought it was like magic. Then I wasn’t sure if it really was having any effect. It confuses me. But I do think it does have certain effects. Doesn’t effect me negatively at all even in high doses so I’m not too worried. It isn’t a wonder nome if you ask me. But it can be a good addition to mixes. I even like this in combination with IH and other socials. Feel free to throw on a little Ammo with it, too. It can be a winner I think… CAN. Take it or leave it. Just be careful not to get too depressed if it doesn’t exactly work for you as you might have hoped (to use a play on words). You’ve been warned (Yeah, I guess this can cause depression in a small amount of males). _And finally… what you have all been waiting for… the moment of truth… er… TUTH…_ **TUTH** : This $#!% scares me… but it may be one of the best products in the entire line in some ways. It really freaking scares me. Really. If you want to get the idea of what it feels like to be raped (may that’s too strong of a word… then again… maybe not)… I’d almost say this is the one that could do it. Like that kinda scary. I definitely wouldn’t suggest against using this in higher doses if you are not looking for something extremely sexual/sex related (especially if you are a woman) because I’d be really scared for you. But I’m not really sure if it has the same effect on guys as girls. All I can say is that the times I’ve had this (and my spray is only 2.5mcg/spray) in higher doses with the right mix I’ve found out how strong females can be. I say this because I’ll try to physically pull away and I’ve never been resisted so strongly. You’d be surprised. Even just dancing with my Special Report I mix… literally the resistance was over the top. You feel muscles tense you didn’t even know they had! O.o It’s effective and great at about 5mcg (to maybe 10mcg max) and wonderful when mixed with TAC (just the perfect balancing combination… I’d say 25mcg of TAC for every 5mcg of TUTH if you are going for something you can still wear out in public for more normal occasions but at the same time keeping the sexual spark). Squirt a spray or two TUTH on the side of your neck and make sure to cuddle with whoever on that side of you… and I’d be shocked if they don’t make the first move and end up kissing your neck by the end of the show, movie, night, etc. At the very least they’ll be back again and sooner or later they’ll close for you if you decide to play it coy and simply stick to a cuddle. 😉 I usually like a spray of TAC on the other side or the back of the neck to add that maximum comfort to the cuddle. Gets the person more cozy and more likely to cuddle tight, moving them even closer to the TUTH application spot. _shrugs_ Just like any other nome, it’s not magic. But it can be VERY effective at times and scares me. One combination had me not returning to this for a little while because the response shocked and scared me so much. lol! Not because of any violence. Just aggression. And not from me. But towards me. Like unleashing an animal. I don’t know. I found myself quite a bit uncomfortable, which was unusual and unexpected. I don’t know. Maybe I’m getting soft in my old age. But yeah. I don’t know what to think. What I can say is that I actually like adding TUTH in small doses to most of my mixes. I’ve also found that spraying it and/or TAC on your back/back shoulder disperses either of them very well. (I know. Who would have thought?) At least it has for me. I think it’s a nice sexual/sensual edge to most mixes (especial Social heavy mixes). You can easily OD on this one, though, so find your “sweet spot”. Overdoing this is not good or effective. It doesn’t mean instant roid rage or something necessarily. But the girl will kinda zone out and you can even have that ghost effect. It’s just not what you want. Defeats the purpose if you ask me. IH, TAC, and TUTH (and possible even a lil IO) can be a powerful combination at the right levels. TUTH… if you use… use with caution… **CAUTION** … you’ve been warned. 😉 _addition_ **P.S.** Forgot IJ of all things! **Instant Jerk** : Let’s say that this one delivers as promised! And it’s very strong! Don’t try on too much the first time! Ever wonder what it would feel like to be Wolverine or any number of Clint Eastwood’s characters? Then this is the stuff for you. It really does give you that, “I don’t give a $#&%” attitude. I kid you not. It doesn’t necessarily mean you are going to be mean to other people. You just don’t necessarily care what they have to say. Something bad happened? _shrug_ You messed up something? _shrug_ Someone doesn’t like the way you are doing something? _shrug_ And I should care because? … You can also alter the feeling by how you mix it with other products. See my “die laughing mix” thread for more on that. All in all, though, I’d say it is the truth! It does what it says. The only thing, though, is that if you want to get the truest self effects from this one you need to use it by itself. Otherwise, you will alter your “Wolverine” status/feel into something else. When I initially tried it… a lot of ways, I didn’t like feeling like a solid, “I don’t care” kind of person. I like feeling that aliveness of emotion and all that jazz. 😉 It was weird. But it can have its cool aspects. The energy of IJ is definitely altered depending on whatever you mix with it. I also do feel that you start to get immune to this in some ways over time and mixing it with too many socials pretty much completely neuters it and nullifies it to maybe nothing more than a fancy but weaker version of TUTH. This one can be dangerous. Spray lightly until you know how it effects you. That’s my final words on this one. You’ve been warned! 😃 … now if only I could get my hands on some IG and SPACELAND (anyone anywhere selling?!)… keep forgetting to do that… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/29 "2011-12-14T20:11:39Z")
Greetings all, things have been going quite excellent for me. Still dating the same girl and all seems right in the world. Let me tell you I have been experimenting with MX412 AD’s solution to the A1 formula. I decided that it was best to test this out on the current girl without using the actual A1 because I wanted to see how well it mimics the effects. I have been wearing it with 3 sprays of Ammo and 2 sprays of P79 10 mcg. With that mix plus the MX412 vs A1 it has been quite amazing. Now I do not know if this is to do with the mones or if it was my natural awesomeness and her attraction to me, but since I started wearing 2 sprays of MX412 with the above sprays I have been seeing a lot of clingy behavior coming from her. This is not unusual I am sure but I just thought it was funny because she told me how one of the last guys she dated was super clingy and weird, the type of guy who would spam text messages that read 4 hours, 23 minutes, and 3 seconds til I see you again. It is important to note that I in the past have been guilty of doing such awful things as the countdown til I see you again and I have to agree it doesn’t work it just turns off most girls. So learning from my mistakes I decided when she asked the question what is my biggest turn off it was that I hated clingy women. I like strong independent girls. So it was only two weeks into dating her that I added the MX412 vs A1 into the mix and immediately I saw the clingy effects of A1. Five minutes after she would leave my apartment I would get a text that said she missed me already. She even started doing a countdown text of her own on occasion, not to the extreme of 2 hours, 23 minutes, and 2 seconds but stuff like, only 8 hours to go. There is a running joke I utilize with her where I am trying to master time and space manipulation and she always asks me if I have perfected it yet so we can jump to when we are supposed to be together next. With all these new clingy behaviors and what is clearly a memory scent imprint as is the case with A1 and she keeps saying really quickly if I do not respond to one of her clingy texts that if she is being weird and she doesn’t mean to be. Now we are at the 1 month mark and I am getting the I am so lucky to have met you, what did I do to deserve such a great guy, you make me so damn happy and I love it. So in conclusion I would say that MX412 vs A1 is a very good substitute for the real deal without having to deal with those pesky depressive side effects. That is not to say it is solely responsible for the way she has been acting around me I am pretty awesome after all. And even though I say clingy behavior I don’t mean it negatively, quite the opposite it is actually nice that for once in my life I am in a position where I am practically on a pedestal instead of me putting her on one and it is truly a great feeling. I think the time has come for the ultimate test. I am going to forgo wearing mones while in her presence and see if it has any adverse effects. I want to be sure that I can have and maintain a relationship without the mones as a permanent crutch. I will see if there is any change in her behavior and I think it will be a very good experiment to see just how much the mones influence her or if it is all just me at this point. ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/30 "2011-11-26T23:41:27Z")
Good report. I notice in my use of MX412 vs A1 is that it (for me, a gay male, and i should respond similarly to straight females) that I find myself calm but a little insecure, I think. It achieves a similar end result maybe, but it does it differently, I find I seek reassurance whereas A1 makes me comfortable or seek comfort. Interesting! ---
**Author:** ![ballzan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ballzan/32/558_2.png) [@ballzan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ballzan)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/31 "2011-11-16T22:39:53Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Jasmin still doesn’t want to press it because its still patented. Utilizing it unscented is just a loop-hole, feels kind of dirty not to give them the playing field on their own innovation. Maybe some day things will be different, but thats how it stands for now. > > We have our own innovations to spend our resources on. 🙂 I kind of agree, maybe AD can come up with something better! I’m really looking for a mix that can help create a crush effect or where they cant stop thinking of you after you leave, only reason for looking into A1 in the first place, but I think im going to test A1, MX412 and 413 to do a comparison. Work with what you have I guess. Just checked out Erox and they still haven’t even released there product, will be getting some to test out for sure though just to compare to other things I have tried. And P51 has a good point. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/32 "2011-11-01T09:42:16Z")
> [@Whats best for starting relationships?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-best-for-starting-relationships/53090/1): > > I guess my question is what is the best mix to aid in getting into a relationship with a girl that ive never talked to. Something to draw her to me with out me having to do all of the work. I have AMMO, IO, and IS right now, but plan to get IG and IH. Opening your mouth to her would be a start! And maybe stop thinking on relationships till you get to know her and see if she is actually open to one and you two are compatible. She may be the greatest thing on legs to you but until you do, this sounds like you may be putting her on a pedestal already, which is a recipe for attraction/relationship killing - fast! Just see if you can attract her, get to know her **then** see what develops. As for pheros, I would go for Ammo/IS to begin with, with maybe IO on initial contact but moving to IH if you begin to get to know each other, IG would probably be great to convey your status in a far less heavy way than A314 - which is great but can be taken as too serious/LTR-oriented, or worse “daddy”-like by younger women. IME, a lot of girls around your age are far more up for fun and unpredictable good times rather than getting seriously hooked-up. The A1 you talked about on that other thread is also a very good relationship phero but again, you must get the hang of/sweet spot for your base pheros first and I still suggest you maybe think on starting with a lower dose as it is such an effective none moderator. You may also want to consider MX412, which seems to be shaping-up as a good alternative but without many of A1’s disadvantages. [MX412 vs A1 (-Androstadienone) (Akuto Fragrance) :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/33 "2011-10-31T02:09:00Z")
Time for a summary of the products I’ve been testing so far. I’ve been using mixes of instants and MXs like, everyday, so it’s been difficult to track everything, and I want to do more singular tests anyway. I think that the double strength is worth it, and will probably order those in the future in the instant line, and in higher mu for experimones. But heres what I’ve got. **Opinions So Far** **IO:** Time-slowing, chatter inducing, conversation is enjoyable and speedy. People talk over one another, and only notice after a while. Fun for parties. Smells fantastic. **IH:** This is still sort of a mystery to me. I’ve not had the chance to do much intimate testing, but it has a sobering effect for me. Things are ‘normalized’ by it, and I find its more difficult to err, become inebriated while under the effect of IH. **TAC:** Interesting one. Calm mind. Clear thoughts. Meditative. I feel like there is a slight hum in my brain. Havn’t tested the orgasm factor, but I feel like the touch aspect for me, makes touch more biased to seeming sensual. Little painkilling for me. Speech is less fluent than on IO but still natural and confident. It doesn’t feel the ‘urge’ to flow though. I’m perfectly content remaining silent until I require to speak. Smells clean. Combined with [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/), my pulse is much slower- I average 46-57 beats per minute, using TAC. **IG:** This needs some more playing with too. So far I find myself charismatic, almost similar to IS, but with more a314 leanings. I feel compassionate, in a father-to-their-child sort of way. Like everyones behavior is the result of their lack of experience, and I want to excuse them for it. Strong contrast to IJ. **IJ:** ‘I am awesome and I don’t give a shit what anyone thinks because I am awesome.’ IJ is potent. It should be, given the high -enone content. I think this stuff smells great though, and can stomach a few sprays in high social proof/leadership settings at clubs or parties with little negative feedback. Others comment that I seem like someone who doesn’t take shit from anyone, and I don’t fear negative outcomes. Makes me live in the moment and take risks. Always fun. I definitely think people shouldn’t drive on it. **A314/a** (Rev 1.29a) I love a314. Some seem to feel it can be too assertive and intimidating, and less James Bond. I love it for the self-effects, and feel more serious and confident in my ability to handle tasks as a leader. I see why this is so useful in corporate settings, and I’ve noticed that gay males love this and IS too. Smell is woodsy, and manly. Will be aqquiring some oil soon, as my togo of /a just ran out. Since many comment that a constantly varying pherosignature can result in seeming ‘mercurial’ or unreliable, I try to use A314 to create a good base and then alter everything else around that. **TUTH** I don’t like this so much by itself yet- I’d rather use IJ when I’m in a scenario where I can handle the higher -enone dose. Probably needs more testing by itself for me- also the scent is much easier to accept in IJ than TUTH which yields to the boar-urine smell more easily. I’ve noticed that the subjective smell of -enone varies according to my mood. If I’m aroused or used to it, it leans more to a cool, almost ozone like, metallic-ness. The mental image I get from the scent is a very large, cold, metal circular plate, zinc or something weird. **A1** I love this stuff. Theres so little data on how these chemicals act on gay males, and we’re at a particular advantage in their use compared to straight males, who might respond neutrally or negatively. The feeling of A1 is exactly coziness and satisfaction with other potential mates- **Like I would be fine dating them, am okay with their looks, even if they aren’t particularly attractive.**. It makes me feel a little warm and like I am sitting next to a fire on a couch. It’s also difficult to motivate me away from whatever resting activity I’m doing, and I seem to not want social contacts to leave me. Ladyfriends seem to agree. Haven’t run the PMS gauntlet with it yet. I was thinking about how to use A1 in interesting scenarios, and because some straight men respond with social withdrawn-ness, a gay male hoping to remove the social power of some straight males/lesbian females? and contain power for themselves towards other gay males and straight females should use A1. **Ammo1x** Love the smell of this. General good cologne, a great balance of social/sexuals. I use this if I don’t have time or have no particular goals or testing wants. Will probably pick it up in 2x soon and gift my 1x to a friend. I get compliments on my ‘cologne’ on ammo often. **IShine** Great stuff. Love testing it on the unexposed. I compare IS to seriously being on a small amount of MDMA (ecstasy) 4-6 hour duration and then the crash, which I abhor. I just want to lay around and do nothing. Very useful on gays. I experience color and sound sensitivity on it. **MX412** Was hopeful that it would compare to A1, and so far I don’t agree that it does. I feel that I don’t want to talk on it- and while I feel confident about my thoughts, I was insecure and concerned about what others thought of me. There is definitely a calmness in other aspects of my life to it though. Needs more testing. **P74:** It took a while to see the effects of this one, but repeated use reveals a social togetherness- for me, it seemed to clear the awkwardness of an empty dance floor. **Removes social judgement from peers and assuages self-consciousness in the favor of group-consciousness.** \*\*P90:\*\*Not sure about this one yet either. Maybe I need to dose more. ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/34 "2011-10-11T21:59:09Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > I definately think I am considering P83 with MX412 to see if it is a good alternative to A1 as AD claims. But I am torn I might try it with actual A1 instead, and then on a second date, if I am as awesome as I normally am that shouldn’t be an issue, I will switch out the A1 with the MX412 and compare the two. I know I won’t get credit with the original A1 mix but surely comparing A1 to MX412 and its effects on the same girl would be a good report to do. > ITNerd ITNerd since this is an important date for you, I would read on the MX412 thread below before trying it on your date. I also believe you should get credit for reporting on the two as AD is trying to come up with something close to A1 without the negative effects. [The OFFICIAL MX412/MX413 (vs A1/Androstadienone) Reporting Thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816) Please update the thread on your findings. * * * **Consumer Line:** AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), Instant Jerk, Come Talk To Me Mix 2 **MX Series:** MX297, MX301, MX330, Project UF, Project UF2, MX412 \*\* Putatives:\*\* P74, P75, P78, P83, P86, P91, P93, P96 ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/35 "2011-10-10T14:24:17Z")
Interesting enough. I will have to bench the idea for now as I am just fed up with Jillian. She pissed me off for the last time. I gave her too many chances, curse of being a nice guy. I won’t make that mistake again. Got myself a date with a new girl this Friday. I actually see myself dating this girl though so I am going to go with more social and less sexual for our first date. I definately think I am considering [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with MX412 to see if it is a good alternative to A1 as AD claims. But I am torn I might try it with actual A1 instead, and then on a second date, if I am as awesome as I normally am that shouldn’t be an issue, I will switch out the A1 with the MX412 and compare the two. I know I won’t get credit with the original A1 mix but surely comparing A1 to MX412 and its effects on the same girl would be a good report to do. Finally I will probably add in my favorite social mone IH in hopes for deep meaningful conversations, or at least what she perceives as such. The goal is to leave a lasting impression that will keep me on her mind constantly, sort of like how this stupid idiot felt about Jillian this whole time. Keep an eye on my journal after Friday night for my full report. Thanks again with the advice on the Seduction Mix it was most helpful! ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/36 "2011-10-08T17:02:32Z")
> [@ITNerd799](#): > > I do have A1 on hand but opted not to really use it because I was serious about reporting for AD. I have used it once before with P83 with the girl in question around and it seemed to keep her light hearted and flirty. I haven’t thought to try it with anything else because AD doesn’t produce it anymore and since I trust AD very much I was worried they might have had good reason not to produce it anymore, probably because of those depressing side effects I heard about. The girl is 22-23 years old so I wasn’t sure what was effective for someone around her age on someone who is my age 25. I will take it into consideration but I am still not 100% sold on it. I might try out MX412 and see how that goes since I trust AD above all else! > > And thanks again ochrismongrelo, it is nice to have someone in your corner routing for you, it hasn’t gone unnoticed and I think has helped me tremendously with keeping it real lol. It is true I am emotionally together, a great guy with a great job and his own apartment and she is fresh out of school and doesn’t know what to do with her life. I think it is an awkward period for anyone to attempt romance but I have to try I have gotten this far. It would be a shame if I gave up now! > > ITNerd No problem bro. As for A1, the cases of it causing depression were VERY rare and caused by some rather unscrupulous individuals. Another reason (from what I’ve heard anyhow,) that A1 isnt here anymore is something to do with a patent/trademark (or somethingrather) that to me it sounds like another company hijacked, until 2012. That being said, A1 is still an allegedly powerful molecule. It might be interesting to see the effects of it mixed with IJ+IS+p83. Seems like it would cause a crapload of sexual tension. ---
**Author:** ![ITNerd799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7cd45c/32.png) [@ITNerd799](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ITNerd799)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 9:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/37 "2011-10-07T21:57:09Z")
I do have A1 on hand but opted not to really use it because I was serious about reporting for AD. I have used it once before with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with the girl in question around and it seemed to keep her light hearted and flirty. I haven’t thought to try it with anything else because AD doesn’t produce it anymore and since I trust AD very much I was worried they might have had good reason not to produce it anymore, probably because of those depressing side effects I heard about. The girl is 22-23 years old so I wasn’t sure what was effective for someone around her age on someone who is my age 25. I will take it into consideration but I am still not 100% sold on it. I might try out MX412 and see how that goes since I trust AD above all else! And thanks again ochrismongrelo, it is nice to have someone in your corner routing for you, it hasn’t gone unnoticed and I think has helped me tremendously with keeping it real lol. It is true I am emotionally together, a great guy with a great job and his own apartment and she is fresh out of school and doesn’t know what to do with her life. I think it is an awkward period for anyone to attempt romance but I have to try I have gotten this far. It would be a shame if I gave up now! ITNerd ---
**Author:** ![thebigQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee7513/32.png) [@thebigQ](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thebigQ)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/38 "2011-10-07T17:18:37Z")
**MX412 -** My two cents. I have never had the opportunity to use A1 as a spray. I am scared of buying pheromones outside of Androtics Direct and since they do not offer it, I have resigned myself to not getting any. I do own Dial Magnetic body wash for men though, but I have not noticed anything out of the ordinary when I use Dial Magnetic compared to my other body washes. The few times I have used MX412 at a club, the ladies have been comfortable around me, however, I have been rejected almost every time I try to escalate anything close. Like hand holding, dancing close or trying to steal a kiss. I even used it with the project UF2 mixes to add some sensual oomph to the mix and it did not help any. Maybe if I was in a relationship, I could get different results with my significant other. This mix is not for closing ladies you just met at a club. It is also not a not a good mix for LMR. It fails every time. It needs **something** for the ladies to melt in your arms. I bought two 5 ml bottles, I may have to trade them, at least the unopened one to someone that it works for. * * * **Consumer Line:** AMMO, A314, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Turn Up the heat, [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), Instant Jerk, Come Talk To Me Mix 2 **MX Series:** MX297, MX301, MX330, Project UF, Project UF2, MX412 **Putatives:** P74, P75, P78, P83, P86, P91, P93, P96 ---
**Author:** ![delocc](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/delocc/32/1200_2.png) [@delocc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/delocc)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 7:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/39 "2011-10-04T07:10:41Z")
Delocc’s Records This journal did record my attempts to woo an ex, but the goal has changed and I’ve suprisingly moved on (amazing what success will do,) so now I chronicle my thoughts on mones. **Stats** Male, 21, Gay, South Michigan, Caucasian Overall thoughts: **Instant Openness:** Time-slowing, chatter inducing, conversation is enjoyable and speedy. People talk over one another, and only notice after a while. Fun for parties. Smells fantastic. **Instant Honesty:** This is still sort of a mystery to me. I’ve not had the chance to do much intimate testing, but it has a sobering effect for me. Things are ‘normalized’ by it, and I find its more difficult to err, become inebriated while under the effect of IH . **Instant Gentleman:** This needs some more playing with too. So far I find myself charismatic, almost similar to IS, but with more a314 leanings. I feel compassionate, in a father-to-their-child sort of way. Like everyones behavior is the result of their lack of experience, and I want to excuse them for it. Strong contrast to IJ . **Instant Jerk:** ‘I am awesome and I don’t give a shit what anyone thinks because I am awesome.’ IJ is potent. It should be, given the high -enone content. I think this stuff smells great though, and can stomach a few sprays in high social proof/leadership settings at clubs or parties with little negative feedback. Others comment that I seem like someone who doesn’t take shit from anyone, and I don’t fear negative outcomes. Makes me live in the moment and take risks. Always fun. I definitely think people shouldn’t drive on it. **TAC:** Interesting one. Calm mind. Clear thoughts. Meditative. I feel like there is a slight hum in my brain. Havn’t tested the orgasm factor, but I feel like the touch aspect for me, makes touch more biased to seeming sensual. Little painkilling for me. Speech is less fluent than on IO but still natural and confident. It doesn’t feel the ‘urge’ to flow though. I’m perfectly content remaining silent until I require to speak. Smells clean. Combined with P74 , my pulse is much slower- I average 46-57 beats per minute, using TAC . **A314/a (Rev 1.29a)** I love a314 . Some seem to feel it can be too assertive and intimidating, and less James Bond. I love it for the self-effects, and feel more serious and confident in my ability to handle tasks as a leader. I see why this is so useful in corporate settings, and I’ve noticed that gay males love this and IS too. Smell is woodsy, and manly. Will be aqquiring some oil soon, as my togo of /a just ran out. Since many comment that a constantly varying pherosignature can result in seeming ‘mercurial’ or unreliable, I try to use A314 to create a good base and then alter everything else around that. **Turn Up The Heat** I don’t like this so much by itself yet- I’d rather use IJ when I’m in a scenario where I can handle the higher -enone dose. Probably needs more testing by itself for me- also the scent is much easier to accept in IJ than TUTH which yields to the boar-urine smell more easily. I’ve noticed that the subjective smell of -enone varies according to my mood. If I’m aroused or used to it, it leans more to a cool, almost ozone like, metallic-ness. The mental image I get from the scent is a very large, cold, metal circular plate, zinc or something weird.\*I think that homosexuals are perhaps more sensitive to this- both because it can resemble a lack of cleanliness, and because of the ‘straight male’ intimidating style it carries. Androsterone is much preferred in this sense, (a chemical that homosexual males are noted to possess less of.) **Androstadienone** I love this stuff. Theres so little data on how these chemicals act on gay males, and we’re at a particular advantage in their use compared to straight males, who might respond neutrally or negatively. The feeling of A1 is exactly coziness and satisfaction with other potential mates- Like I would be fine dating them, am okay with their looks, even if they aren’t particularly attractive. . It makes me feel a little warm and like I am sitting next to a fire on a couch. It’s also difficult to motivate me away from whatever resting activity I’m doing, and I seem to not want social contacts to leave me. Ladyfriends seem to agree. Haven’t run the PMS gauntlet with it yet. I was thinking about how to use A1 in interesting scenarios, and because some straight men respond with social withdrawn-ness, a gay male hoping to remove the social power of some straight males/lesbian females? and contain power for themselves towards other gay males and straight females might use A1. **Ammo 1.1 1x** Like the smell of this. General good cologne, a great balance of social/sexuals. I use this if I don’t have time or have no particular goals or testing wants. Will probably pick it up in 2x soon and gift my 1x to a friend. I get compliments on my ‘cologne’ on ammo often. **Instant Shine** Love testing it on the unexposed. I compare IS to seriously being on a small amount of MDMA (ecstasy) 4-6 hour duration and then the crash, which I abhor. I just want to lay around and do nothing. Very useful on gays. I experience color and sound sensitivity on it. For me, the crash is strong enough that I don’t use this in most scenarios. MX Series **MX412** Was hopeful that it would compare to A1 , and so far I don’t agree that it does. I feel that I don’t want to talk on it- and while I feel confident about my thoughts, I was insecure and concerned about what others thought of me. There is definitely a calmness in other aspects of my life to it though. Needs more testing. **MX297** I don’t like this so far. Insincere, clear thoughts, charismatic, sense enhancing, thirst inducing, good for getting work done, energetic- it does a lot, but the combination makes me suspicious of myself and very self-conscious. --Still fantastic for focus. Putatives: **P74:** It took a while to see the effects of this one, but repeated use reveals a social togetherness- for me, it seemed to clear the awkwardness of an empty dance floor. Removes social judgement from peers and assuages self-consciousness in the favor of group-consciousness. **P75:** Masculine, motivating, youthful signature. Don’t fully understand it yet, but gays seem to like it. **P90:** Fatherly. Parental compassion and watchfulness. Socially interested, but unique perspective. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/40 "2011-09-05T15:46:57Z")
So now that my bottle of MX412 is almost gone, it’s time for some reflecting. MX412 does indeed carry the comfort vibe, however I believe the main difference between MX412 and A1 is that MX412 is geared heavily towards the male user due to it’s mood boosting capabilities. With MX412 I feel more confident, and yet so laid back. I compare it to A314 in terms of self-effects. For comfort, I feel MX412 delivers but not in the same way A1 does. With MX412 it’s like wearing A314 with TAC and IO. The women definitely feel comfortable and social, yet they don’t “lose themselves”. Now, don’t get me wrong, I _completely_ understand that pheros are not mind control HOWEVER, A1 had a tendency to…challenge that. Bottom line: MX412 is much safer, and definitely more male/user friendly than A1. Also seems to pair up perfectly with A314 and gives A314’s vibe a boost in confidence and sociability. A1 is still more effective if the majority of people you’ll be interacting with are women due to it’s mood boosting effects on females. Also seems to have the edge over MX412 in terms of leaving lasting impressions although MX412+A314 seems to be just as good at leaving good impressions.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/41 "2011-08-29T00:50:51Z")
Thanks for the nomination guys.🙂 > [@](#): > > Excellent report. Sounds like MX412 increases the social potential of A314 😃. It really does. I’m guessing MX412 is composed of mostly comfort and social molecules to help give it the social edge. The only thing it doesn’t do is cause that mushy, crushy, vibe that A1 does however this is inconclusive because I need further tests to confirm it. Oh and thanks John for fixing the title!🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816.md?page=3)