# The OFFICIAL MX412/MX413 (vs A1/Androstadienone) Reporting Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** MX Test Results\ **Created:** [February 27, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816 "2011-02-27T01:20:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DotCom](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dotcom/32/2152_2.png) [@DotCom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DotCom)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/42 "2011-08-19T17:45:44Z")
If she indeed is a chronic “bitch” and not just having a bad day (then again, you don’t sound to you know her too well to know this), then some A314 or A1 can fix the problem. A1 or MX412: Perhaps she’s constantly stressed out. A1 or the A1 alternative, MX412, has shown to relieve all kinds of stress in girls, whether it be PMS, lack of sleep, etc. However, if you are depression prone, I would avoid A1 and go for MX412, and even if you’re not, it can still affect other guys around you in a negative way. A314: If she is the type of girls that believes she is high status, some A314 can take you so you end up on the same level as her (respect wise). However, remember to find your sweet spot because too much and she’ll be intimidated, and she’ll exert the opposite effects that your’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/43 "2011-08-18T17:35:20Z")
> [@Professor\_P](#): > > To be curious… when you say it would effect our RU status… you saying that we can’t report on A1 if we want to be a RU? Because once again if we are comparing Mx412 to A1, wouldn’t we need to try to same mixes substituting A1 for Mx412 and visa versa in order to actually get the most “scientific” comparision? More or less - I’m not in a position to go digging for it just now but there has been an announcement that AD won’t consider any reports involving A1 because of the patent/past history situation and that whilst it is fine to discuss A1 more generally here, the reports will not be considered to contribute towards RU status and that current RUs posting a lot of reports needed to be aware that they could be weakening their status if they dwell on A1 reports to the exclusion of valuable stuff.. Saying all that, there is already a wealth of experience with A1 here, so many will already be able to make valid comparisons and you will also find that A1 interest comes and goes like a tide - Sometimes there will be thread after thread on it, then very little will be discussed for a few months. ---
**Author:** ![Professor\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dc4da7/32.png) [@Professor\_P](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Professor_P)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2011, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/44 "2011-08-18T01:56:02Z")
[mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster/summary): Hahaha… no no no. You misunderstand me. It’s MX412 vs A1. So what I meant was… we know A1 buffers well. My plan (With that concoction) is to see how well MX412 buffers. In other words, I want to compare it to A1 (unless I’m understanding things wrong, that is what they want us to do with Mx412 right?) To be curious… when you say it would effect our RU status… you saying that we can’t report on A1 if we want to be a RU? Because once again if we are comparing Mx412 to A1, wouldn’t we need to try to same mixes substituting A1 for Mx412 and visa versa in order to actually get the most “scientific” comparision? I am curious more about that mention. And indeed… it is too bad about no more IFM but I totally understand and respect their position on it. I don’t believe they say anywhere that we can’t use it or they don’t want us to. They just don’t want to be responsible for the possible depression side effects that can effect some users. That’s what I’ve gathered from it. I hope that is correct. I really would like to work towards RU status at some point (and try out p83 in particular!) but I would also like to actually compare A1 to Mx412. That was the only reason I got it. Sounded like a fun challenge. Thoughts? [Steve:](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/steveo/summary)Very true. I probably should post a journal for my individual experiences with them by themselves. I will get around to this. It might be helpful I imagine. I’m just busy/lazy at the moment that way. But I do have to say that the big draw of the pheromones thing is simply experimentation. It’s not necessarily to “pick up chicks” or talk to girls. I can and have done that on my own. It just seems really fascinating and I’m a sucker for intriguing concepts and things. 😛 What can I say? But will this combination make people very happy? Stand-offish? Scared? Turn-on? Turned-off? Aggressive? Friendly? Otherwise? It’s the mystery that makes me want to do it! The pheromones by themselves are pretty much known effects. What I like them for is the unknown! BWahahaha! 😛 [DotCom:](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dotcom/summary) Hahaha! I think I’ll take that as a compliment… even if it wasn’t meant that way (of course it was!!! … right? Yeah. Or no? Wait… why am I talking to myself… _sighs_) But YES! YES! Nomes! We’ve got to spread the word! In a few months we will all be calling them nomes! Bwahahaha! Ok. I’m done. Sorry to be silly. 😛 But definitely… I’m looking forward to reporting on the random experimentations of top secret, mad scientist laboratory! My nomes are working hard to create the ultimate pheroweapons and bombs of madness! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! (Ok. NOW I’m done. But most definitely. I think I know just the place to try this one, too. But don’t wish me luck. I’ve got mones! 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/45 "2011-08-17T13:37:21Z")
> [@Professor\_P](#): > > But anyways… seeing the cloud 9 post has got me thinking of trying something crazy too. A1 is a good buffer, I’m curious of MX412. What’s the plan… If you are thinking on going that way, remember that although it gets discussed here, Using A1 will pretty-much render your reports useless to AD (which can affect RU status). Its use in scented form is under a patent and AD have longsince stated they ain’t going back there. MX412 should be a very different matter though. I’m just a bit scunnered they released it just a few days after my last order! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/46 "2011-08-15T21:15:37Z")
I’ll just post a summary of what I’ve found so far with mx412 before my next batch of mx412/13 come in and I can gauge things more definitely. mx412 gives a general sense of uplift and a sense of “wellbeingness”. Its different from the wellbeingness of mx297. While mx297 is a surreal kind of wellbeing, sometimes a form of semi-sedated feeling (I’ve tested it on a friend who remarked that the self effect is a little bit like being on a very low dose of a benzodiazepine or rather “xanax”), mx412 is a little more cheery, which is a little surprising for me considering that [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) is supposedly a key component/ingredient in this mx and that is supposed to be more chill than mx297. mx412 doesn’t only give a positive comfort feel with the ladies but also with the guys. It doesn’t have the negative self effects that A1 gives (melancholy or moodiness) and seems to work better at “cheering up” than IS. The downside is that although it gives comfort it doesn’t disarm the ladies as much as the original A1 does. Just like mx297 needs a little oomph in it for further attraction like ammo (ok I know some of you might disagree, haha) mx412 might be needing another component to it of sorts to close that distance. All in all mx412 seems like a promising mx, possibly another winner in the makings in the mx line up ---
**Author:** ![roni](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roni/32/680_2.png) [@roni](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roni)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/47 "2011-08-15T16:38:02Z")
Have been trying MX412 for about 2 wks now and I have to say that it is not as quite potent as A1. I have been using A1 from time to time, specially during my wife’s shark-week so I can easily ascertain the effect. I have also experienced the depression while wearing A1 (15-30mcg) where I find myself pondering over the negative aspects of my life, what I was not able to accomplish, friendships I lost etc etc. So I was explicitly trying to compare the results of MX412 on these 2 parameters. Here are some observations that stood out and were observed more than once. 1 Spray; 10:00am; Day 1 Self Effects - Calming feeling, more like at peace with myself, which is much different than P103 induced carefree feeling. No depressive feelings. No noticeable effects on the wife, but she was only exposed for 15mins or so. 2 Sprays; 10:00am; Day 2 Self Effects - Same peaceful and contended feeling, a bit on the serious side but positively no depression like feeling. Father-in-law (71 years old) decided to have a late breakfast with me. Just talked about current news on the presidential candidates. After being exposed for ~30mins noticed that he was recalling his early days as a lawyer; talked about his mentor; how he woke up at 3am to take the train for his morning class and then back to work his other job; he even recalled some of the cases he handled at that time. Normally he would comment on the current political news and would rarely open up like this. This seems like something brought out by the MX412; maybe he felt much more comfortable/relaxed and also found me trustworthy to share the experiences. Note: He opened up in a similar manner and shared other such experiences from his early days, at least on 3 or 4 instances when I was wearing 2 sprays or more of MX412. Refreshed with 2 Sprays; 7:30pm; Day 2 Wife was relaxed during dinner, just normal chitchat about how the work day went. Surely noticed the desire to cuddle when we went to bed; but somehow it was not the same as with A1; it was a bit subdued. With A1 the hugging/cuddling is relentless, if we are watching a movie, she clings to me throughout the 2+ hrs; even when the show/movie is not that great, she holds on just for the sake of it. With MX412, the clinging is there, but not as forceful; on 3 different occasions I have went back to the bedroom because I was either tired or the show was just too boring but didn’t notice the desire to keep holding me. It was as if even she was feeling peaceful and relaxed from within, not necessarily due to me. Have been at home most of the time, so haven’t had a chance to try it in other situations. I think my next experiment will be combining it with P79 and small amount of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) would be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/48 "2011-08-14T18:03:21Z")
You could consider testin mx412. I bought a whole lot of it. Seems quite promising albeit just falling short in terms of closeness and comfort as compared to A1, but it has a whole lot of cheer and a different kind of “bonding”, more cheer and positivity than comfort and closeness which is good. I’m theorising that instead of replacing each other, both might be used together to synergize the effects. ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 7:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/49 "2011-08-12T07:13:35Z")
Great report. I haven’t tried MX412 yet, but it sounds as it may need to contain a bit of some molecule such as [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (although I haven’t tried that either, my opinion is purely based on what I’ve read on the forum). Like Steve, I’m also an A1 lover, personally I don’t think any mix can ever fully replicate its goodness, simply because it’s a single molecule, one of the basic ones we produce, the molecule that makes people love each other unreasonably 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/50 "2011-08-10T16:46:34Z")
Haven’t posted in here for ages lol. **Product:** MX412 (Akuto) **Location** : Home. **Dosage:** 3 sprays to the neck **Self Effects** : I mentioned this over the webcast but I’ll repeat it again…I felt chilled when this mix went on. It was a laid back feeling, reminds me of TAC. I’m thinking at least 10mcgs of TAC has to be in this mix. This was only one test, however I’m hoping this self-effect carries on in social interactions. **Conclusion:** Obviously, this is one test but I gotta admit, it feels good to wear something and NOT have to worry about getting down in the dumps. I did ask my mum how she liked it and she gave it the ok. I’ll be interested in seeing how this mix compares to A1 in terms of the smell test. It seemed that anytime I mixed A1 in a cologne I always got the “oooooh, you smell gooooooood!!!” compliments.🆒 Unfortunately, my MX412 bottle was already at the half-way mark (spilled during shipping ☹) but Mick and John sorted it out so hopefully I’ll have more shipped out this week. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/51 "2011-08-09T18:53:24Z")
Extremely awesome and detailed post. When you mentioned that mx412 lacks the sensuality that A1 had, what exactly were you getting.I’ve found that mx412 seems to put girls into a better mood than A1 but kino and closeness falls just short of the original. It seems more like a “get comfortable with me and let’s get silly, let’s enjoy this moment together” mix but it just kinds of stops there, it somehow lacks the depth or connection that A1 provides.Granted though its superior in terms of affecting guy’s moods and the feeling comfortable/feeling good myself category. Certainly made mine more positive. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2011, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/52 "2011-08-09T17:44:54Z")
I’m a big advocate of A1 and always have been. Even when AD decided to ban it from their shop I openly disagreed. Why punish an entire community over an alleged few bad apples. If they were in fact doing anything bad with A1 they would in turn have bad done upon them. The same could be said against NONE in that it does cause aggression in some males so by that order it could just as easily be a candidate for removal from the AD store. The good news is there are other shops that sell A1 and while AD says they are looking to make the world a better place, they are forcing their customers to go elsewhere and thus supporting those very same companies they wish to blacklist. Just my opinion. I had the wonderful opportunity to use A1 (I still do) and I’ve also been exposed to Dancing Jokers A2. In my view, again all personal opinion, if ever there was a replacement for A1 so far the only thing that has come close is A2. Well, actually it surpasses A1 in all its glory and really pulls off a warm glow of closeness and comfort while gently arousing those exposed. I completely understand AD’s not making it as it was loaded with more molecules than any mix I ever saw, including catlord’s PS. However when I used it you could almost feel each level of [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and watch as its subtleties influenced the intended target and swept away resistance one level after another. It was like I don’t like this guy, but wow he is nice. He seems creepy, but maybe if I move closer. I really think he is hitting on me, I wish he would talk more to me. I, I, ahh I wish he would just bed me right here and now, but wait then I’d be a slut, well how could I be a slut with him on my arm. He’s a little bit to close to me, I think I need him to hold me. God I feel so hot with him here, this is so right for me. He is Mr. Right. Yeah it was seriously like that. Whenever I was met with initial resistance you could actually watch it melt as if it was an icicle on a hot sidewalk. Layer after layer of resistance would literately vaporize before me and all I had to do was sit and smile. Now on many levels A1 works the same way, but there is a potential to bring a males enthusiasm down a notch. Michael Harris mentioned it once that it really added a degree of comfort where women wanted to be in your presence, but what good was it if you wouldn’t talk to them? With products like IO and Ishine that can easily be offset though, therefore for most guys, negating the ill effects. I can however see if anyone battles depression or low self-esteem having an adverse reaction to it. With this in mind I can understand AD’s position, but some guys have abreactions to NONE too. You do what you can. A readily available molecule such as A1 really makes a molecule heavy, thus cost-prohibitive mix, like A2 unnecessary as a replacement. Again on that aspect it makes absolute sense not to produce it and thus deplete molecule stores used in other popular mixes. Next comes along MX412. Now I can see the direction this mix attempts to head and certainly while not perfect there is a strong potential to improve on it and create something magnificent. The setting was a downtown Memphis club my friends own and I frequent whenever I’m in town. Saturday night I made my way there and pretty much sat at the bar drinking shots and beer while people watching. The bartender is a true babe and we are “close.” We did lots of shots and here’s the things I noticed from 3 sprays of MX412 and 3 Ishine. I wear Ishine with everything. Going out and wearing a new mix is a difficult thing for me to undertake. I have an agenda when I go out as a single guy and never do I want potential opportunity to be wasted because of an ill-fitting mix. I had that experience before with the very beta-boy MX297 mix I so dislike. Sure if I want a woman as a friend so I can buy her drinks and be her emotional shoulder to cry on then great mix. Not me though, I’m the bad-boy ALPHA male who sleeps with her all the while you can orbit around her and be her friend:o. At least I know with Ishine (the most consistent attraction formula AD makes) I know if anything, I have a backup plan. Yes Ishine is that good 😃. Think of it this way guys: If every time a woman is in your presence she feels a sense of security from your well being and confidence (that’s what Ishine does for you) that allows her to relax and let her guard down so she can smile more genuinely (A true IOI is a smile that makes her look bad as per Jasmin) she will relate that feeling she has back to you. That my friends is a secret attraction spell that always amazes and tantalizes a woman. Confidence is attractive and Ishine is confidence and strong sense of well-being. I’ve been saying this for years…do you get it yet? Well MX412 on the neck and the hits were pretty consistent with what would be expected from A1 almost. I had women approaching me and my bartender friend “stayed” with me pretty much all night and I was there till 5. She even suggested I stay with her (only being nice, as a friend - she dates another great friend of mine now). There was one woman, a blond bar fly who was definitely cute, who kept brushing up against me time and again. Whenever I turned to initiate conversation though she was like, oh sorry and hurried off. She kept doing it though. Then there was the other bartenders friend who came over to me and started a conversation and kept invading my space. She wasn’t really my style. There were a lot of hits that night and one time the bartender was sitting on my lap. Another lady “friend” of mine showed up with a date and she was super close to me all night. She did have a guy with her though. John this is the girl I showed you the picture of who I celebrated her birthday with that night 😉. A couple observations I’ve made with this mix over a long drunken night that ended with me alone. Yeah even I end good nights alone, although not to frequently 😉. Guys were friendly and wanted to chat. That’s a plus since A1 tends to make guys not talk. Women were closer to me and didn’t mind touch as much. There was still a noticeable barrier though when it came to sexual responses. It was almost as if hey I don’t mind this guy touching me…wait a minute…yes I do…people are watching! Almost as if those same queues that A1 and A2 met and overcame were met and then additional resistance was quickly thrown up. Not what I was expecting. There was a strong sense of high-value status from the ladies though. My friend that I mentioned arrived with a date went to go to the bathroom and rather than they typical leave the purse on the chair she had the bartender stow it for her. She did however ask me if I could keep an eye on her beer, but also suggested if I wanted a sip the only person she might have caught coodies from was me in fact. This was done in earshot of her date. The other bartenders friend was asking guys to buy her drinks, but this was as she was attempting to seduce me who she stood closely by on my side. She never asked me. There was absolute closeness from the women I interacted with but on some level, advances were met with additional resistance. Even if it was they who initiated the contact which was a bit off actually. In some ways it has a level of closeness and cultivates rapport but unlike A1 where it also stimulates arousal that’s where MX412 drops off. Anyway go out and test and see what you come up with. GO about your testing with a clean slate. ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/53 "2011-08-08T23:54:37Z")
> [@The bestintel's jounery into Pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-bestintels-jounery-into-pheromones/35471/1124): > > Hey K! > > Geezes man long time no speak. Haha, tell me about it! Been busy over the summer taking these classes and they’ve been hell! Thankfully I’m done until the end of this month. I just recieved some MX412 but the darn thing spilled during shipment and I’ve got to get it replaced before I can do some testing. Glad to see you and Smellymen still around though!🙂 Either of you started playing with MX412 yet? I’m DYING to see how well it works in comparison to A1. I’ve managed to secure a few classes for this semester that will (hopefully) be chalk FULL of female students. Perfect for some MX412 testing because I’d like to have some good study buddies if ya know what I mean…🆒 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/54 "2011-08-08T21:43:56Z")
> [@saranghae](#): > > I’m a new user and therefore appreciate the lifting of the restriction. I would like to combine the P83 with A1 to try out K-Trains’ “obsessed”. Is that the kind of thing you were looking for? Or what did you mean with “new mix”? We are looking for people who are going to give useful research. For example: Nothing with A1, copulins, or other things not in our own library. If you are looking to try out a mix with A1 try getting MX412 and using that in A1’s place. 🙂 Or test on it by itself, especially being new you should be trying things on their own so you can figure out what they do before trying mixes. Thanks for your question and interest!! 🙂 John Sebastian ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/55 "2011-08-05T16:44:45Z")
I agree with you. I just tried mx412 today but not as a standalone, I subbed it into my mx297-A1 mix. At dinner, I used it around a girl I usually use A1 with (she has a tendency to get irritable and angsty but apart from that she’s really sweet.), I found that it made her a little more (this is a little contrary to some of the [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/) reports I’ve read though about bringing cool and calm to others around) comfortable in the “goofy” aspect, she definitely seemed in a much better mood, better than when I wore IS around her, but definitely not comfortable in a physical way. Our relationship is pretty platonic but with A1 on she’s comfortable leaning on me (automatically) or with occasional kino. However with mx412 she seems to be more particular about me “entering into her personal space”. I think mx412 is generally uplifting, its comfort but so far for me not on a kino level. I’m meeting her again next week, I’ll try alternating A1 and mx412 and see how it goes. > [@First test with MX412](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-with-mx412/51627/1): > > This is my 1st test with MX412 > > **Background** > MX412 has been touted as the replacement for A-1. I have A-1 (from LS) and have tested it. The cuddly feelings and the PMS relief that women feel with A-1 are well documented. K-Train has an entire page dedicated to A-1 here : [Androstadienone Guide](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/androstadienone-guide/37668) > > **Product name,scent and strength** > MX412 Akuto Scent > > **Application dosage and locations** > 3 Sprays on neck > > **Enviroment tested in.** > Diner > **Effects to others** > My test subject was a waitress in a diner. She was exposed to MX412 while taking my order. I sat next to the register so she got several whiffs. She seemed perky to begin with so. No special attraction from her or cuddly feelings that women get with A-1. The female manager also used the register…ditto, Nada, Nothing. I’d assumed that they were not exposed enough until the self effects kicked in. > > **Self effects.** > The self effects of this mix were so familiar. I immediately recognized the main component as being P130. My P130 report is here: [First test P130](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-test-p130/42352) . I also recognized TAA. The self effect were like mixing Instant Shine with P130. I have not tried it but I believe that this is what this mix is. > > **Duration of effects.** > 3 1/2 hrs > > **Effects from mixing with other products.** > Solo (N/A) > > **Range** > 3 ft. or less. She was standing near me. > > **Time exposure**. > Subject: 10 minutes. Self: 3 1/2 hrs. There seems to be a longevity to MX412. I applied it at 11am and started to feel the effects dissipate at about 2:30pm. > > **Conclusion** MX412 does have a calming effect but there is no cuddly feeling (for the woman) to it. Is MX412 a good substitute for A-1? No. To give it that nice romantic feeling MX412 could use a dash (1.0 mcg) of none. > > There seems to be a longevity to MX412. There was a really long drop period. It was not like the “sugar rush” crash of Instant Shine. It was like the slow parachute drop of P130 but with a touch of the instant shine “sugar rush” drop. > > This mix has potential but not as a standalone. I really like P130. However adding Instant Shine caused an unpleasant come down similar to the “sugar rush” crash of instant shine. I would imagine that MX412 would be good in a mix perhaps with A314 and TUTH. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/56 "2011-08-01T03:51:44Z")
> [@P130 Does it again](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p130-does-it-again/51541/12): > > P130 has some real nice A1 type qualities, but I don’t know if it causes the closeness and bonding A1 has for me in the past. Oh I know, I don’t think as a single molecule that it would replace A1. But remember MX412 is just that, an MX and not a putative which leads me to believe that it’s at least two or more molecules that work together to bring the full list of positive benefits that A1 is known for. I’m not saying that [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) can replace A1, but it could me one of the main ingredients in 412 that make that MX a candidate for competing against it. ---
**Author:** ![Vespero](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vespero/32/988_2.png) [@Vespero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vespero)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/57 "2011-07-29T02:25:39Z")
Where did you buy your A1, Johnny? I would also like to test out A1 and have a feeling I would not have much of a negative reaction to it. I have gotten very interesting results (😉) with MX412 mixed with -none products over the past couple of days and am looking forward to testing on new subjects when I get back from visiting my family. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Gslinger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnny_gslinger/32/748_2.png) [@Johnny\_Gslinger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Johnny_Gslinger)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/58 "2011-07-28T19:47:21Z")
Hi guys after some discussion and as requested by JS, I’ll be comparing the effects of traditional A1 vs MX412. (And on this occasion the text toolbar has decided to work, so I’m crossing my fingers that the text won’t lump since forum gets buggy on me on and off… So here goes) Here is a prelude and prior write up before I start with MX412 For the purposes of clarity in future reports Androstadienone/A1 will be referred to as A1. MX412 will be referred to as MX412. A1 so far has been one of the best pheromones I’ve ever used. I’ve mentioned before in passing that A314 + A1 is one of the best combos when going out with girls who are the driven type or status conscious girls. This combo was also referenced as an IBF mix, I give credit to the user who told me about this combo, I can’t remember who, but to the dude who told me to try A314, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. It helps **reduce bitchiness** from girls, it makes them **really comfortable** about you, it is the **definitive space reducer** when it comes to girls, more so than any of the other putatives that I have tried. It seems to put them in **a better mood** around you. I have yet to see any crush like effects or a “strong currents beneath peaceful waters” effect (maybe that’s why I can’t see them) but A1 is magic, and I can see why so many users loved IFM. The socials when used with A1.. IO + A1 or IH + A1 is like an instant “pep up” for girls/the ladies. Contrary to popular notion, A1 **does not create a complete “Bitch Shield”** (I mean shield from bitches, not the PUA term). You piss them off, you take the heat, A1 will reduce the sizzle but you’ll still get burnt. Its magic but not that magic. A1 is also not without its negative side effects. Some of you might have heard that A1 causes depression in guys, some have felt it bad others like Gegogi haven’t. Personally A1 makes me a little **melancholic**. Nothing that some IS or mx297 can’t fix, however having said that A1 can act as a **negative mood intensifier** for guys sometimes. So if you’re already in a bad or depressive mood A1 just makes you more depressed. High none might make you more aggressive or IO might make you rant more in such situations but A1 will bring a lower low I have tested P74 and P78 in comparison with A1 and found that P74 is NOTHING like A1. P78 comes the closest in terms of positive and negative self effects, with negative self effects more pronounced for me than A1 but A1 is still ahead in female comfort and space reducing. ps. It would be interesting to read reports of females who use A1 for self-effects in calming themselves or “feeling better” during difficult times/periods and whether their use of MX412 feels similar ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/59 "2011-07-22T22:20:58Z")
> [@Bolkie](#): > > Question to make this clear: > > This mix has A-1, but somehow you guys managed to eliminate the possible negative side-effects ? > > OR > > This mix does not contain A-1, but instead has a new molecule that mimics > A-1 ? The second one. From the store page linked in the first post: > [@AndroticsDirect.com](#): > > NOTE: THIS PRODUCT DOES NOT CONTAIN A1 aka ANDROSTADIENONE. IT IS A CLONE OF THE SPECTRUM OF EFFECTS ONLY. A1 has a whole mess of issues with it on both a production side as well as from a usage stand-point. We’ve made MX412 to replace it and as with anything we’ve also made it much more of a lovely effect. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2011, 9:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/60 "2011-03-10T09:48:42Z")
> [@TheBoogieMan](#): > > Are you wearing it right now? Because I love you. I sprayed it all up in this thread! It’s feel good time! 🙂 Free hugs with every order of MX412! ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3d9bf3/32.png) [@JohnnyB](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyB)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2014, 10:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx412-mx413-vs-a1-androstadienone-reporting-thread/51816/61 "2014-08-29T22:14:33Z")
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