# The OFFICIAL MX425 Reporting/Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** MX Test Results\ **Created:** [September 11, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375 "2011-09-11T02:20:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/1 "2011-09-11T02:20:32Z")
**What is MX425?** **MX425** : Part of Stealth Diffusion Mix Pack Vol 1 (or 2). We are working out different components of the Stealth Diffusion Technology. The feedback you provide us by testing this mix today will inform how we put together the [fragrance-free pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/) products of tomorrow… Pheromone products you can wear completely incognito, but will still fill a room and lead all noses to the celebrity in the room: you! The mix itself is one molecule, TAA , which is the primary component of our bestselling mix, Instant Shine . It’s light and social, and you can wear it just about anywhere, from daytime to nighttime, both male and female. **Status:** Not Currently in Production **Request MX425 here** : [RequestMX@androtics.com](mailto:RequestMX@androtics.com) **How to Test:** Spray like you would your usual cologne or perfume, on your usual pulse points. This mix has been calibrated to work best at a two spray dosage. Start there but try everything. We’re seeking to understand how the diffusion component works with the pheromonal molecule. At least once test with your usual cologne, so we can see how the diffusion technology we are testing works with cologne. Spray. Let dry. Sniff. Does the smell remind you of anything? What do you notice yourself feeling? What to Report: We’re collecting data on a few parameters, which I’ll explain here. **Strength** - How strong did you feel the effects? On yourself? On others? Did it hit you over the head, or was it more subtle? **Length of Effects** - When did you notice the onset of effects? When did you notice the outset? When did it peak? When did it wane? **Tenacity** - Tenacity refers to ?staying power?, or the aggressiveness of the cologne. Does it seem to “attack” people around you, or is it more of a “slow burner”? Does it seem like you can point your fume in one direction or another? **Effectiveness& Consistency** - How effective is this mix on a scale of 1-10 (1 bad, 10 killer)? Have its effects been consistent over time? **Diffusion/Sillage** - Sillage refers to your ?vapor trail?. Think of it like the wake of a ship. How many feet/meters is your vapor trail? Do people seem to follow your silage? Other weird questions that help clarify: If it were music, what would it sound like? If it had a texture, what would it feel like? If it were edible or drinkable, what would it taste like? What celebrity or public figure is it most like? Ask yourself these questions during and after you’ve gotten a good feel of this mix. Thank you, RJS Research Assistant Androtics Direct ---
**Author:** ![joshuadbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c5a1d2/32.png) [@joshuadbell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joshuadbell)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/2 "2011-09-12T15:46:19Z")
Got the mix in my shipment today…took a couple squirts and it was just like the [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) effect…just not with the strong scent (which is a definate plus). I asked my female partner what she thought of it, and she shook her head and said “it smells clean”…maybe that is a good thing, since I’m an older big monster of a guy…maybe it meant “you don’t come across as a greasy biker just now” lol. I’m gonna keep giving it a try…will have some social activity this weekend, and should have more to report. Keep up the 'monin! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/3 "2011-09-16T17:41:59Z")
> [@joshuadbell](#): > > Got the mix in my shipment today…took a couple squirts and it was just like the Instant Shine effect…just not with the strong scent (which is a definate plus). > I asked my female partner what she thought of it, and she shook her head and said **“it smells clean”** …maybe that is a good thing, since I’m an older big monster of a guy…maybe it meant “you don’t come across as a greasy biker just now” lol. > I’m gonna keep giving it a try…will have some social activity this weekend, and should have more to report. > > Keep up the 'monin! Could you qualify what type of clean? Did it smell like you just showered (as in you smelled like soap) or just “fresh”? I know it may seem like a silly question on the surface, but it is something I’d like to know if you can find out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/4 "2011-09-16T17:43:35Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > **What to Report:** We’re collecting data on a few parameters, which I’ll explain here. > > • _Strength_ - How strong did you feel the effects? On yourself? On others? Did it hit you over the head, or was it more subtle? > > • _Length of Effects_ - When did you notice te onset of effects? When did you notice the outset? When did it peak? When did it wane? > > • _Tenacity_ - Tenacity refers to “staying power”, or the aggressiveness of the cologne. > > • _Effectiveness_ - How effective is this mix? Have its effects been consistent? > > • _Diffusion/Sillage_ - Sillage refers to your “vapor trail”. Think of it like the wake of a ship. How many feet/meters is your vapor trail? Do people seem to follow your sillage? > > Ask yourself these questions after you’ve worn this mix, and post your report to this thread. Remember to provide the above information, it will really help us out and being able to find these things out will keep us able to do awesome things like this in the future! ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/5 "2011-09-17T15:09:14Z")
Paradox’s report on MX425 First of all I was glad to be one of the “lucky ones”.When my order arrived I opened it up to find that the bottle of MX425 was only 2/3 full. I inspected the bottle and it was tightly taped. The other togo’s in the order were full. Anyhow, I was eager to try this new stealth diffusion technology. I sprayed on 2 sprays and off I went to the grocery store. The grocery store is not my favorite spot for testing because of the almost open air atmosphere (high ceilings and a large area). I like testing in small venues because my sillage is easier to trace. • _Strength_ - The self affects were mild. I’ve never tested TAA alone but [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) usually makes me very tired after a few hours of wear. Two sprays of TAA were not as hard hitting as 2 sprays of Instant Shine. At 2 sprays I noticed little or no reaction. No one following me or my trail. I added another spray making it 3 sprays and I did notice some crowding where people would be drawn to the area where I was standing. • _Length of Effects_ - I sprayed it on at 10am and wore it until 11:30am • _Tenacity_ - The fragrance was light. It was clean smelling. I could smell the fragrance which was nice light and clean when I first sprayed it on but once it dried down I could barely smell it. • _Effectiveness_ - 3 sprays of TAA was mildly effective. I added 1 spray of AMMO and BOOM! people were stopping in their tracks. Men and women. They weren’t following me but when they were passing by they would just stop • _Diffusion/Sillage_ - The sillage was about 2-3 feet but as I explained the venue was large with high ceilings. No one followed the sillage trail. I have worn other pheromones where people did follow and look for my trail but not with MX425 at this venue. All in all I like this new technology and I would like to see it applied to all of Androtics products. This technology may need a higher number of sprays or a more concentration of product to be effective. It may be similar to when you use oils in that you need a higher concentration. Or it could have a short sillage trail. More testing has to be done with different products and strengths. This is only my first test but so far it looks promising. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/6 "2011-09-18T05:53:48Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > First of all I was glad to be one of the “lucky ones”.When my order arrived I opened it up to find that the bottle of MX425 was only 2/3 full. I inspected the bottle and it was tightly taped. The other togo’s in the order were full. Congrats, you lucky devil! We are researching the bottle issue, looking and quality testing even better sources. Thanks for the info on the leak, but next time, since leaky bottles are a customer service issue, please keep this off the forum and report it straight to Mickaelia. She’s keeping the information on leaky bottles and best knows how to respond. We can’t really respond to that kind of stuff as nimbly on the forum. > [@](#): > > Anyhow, I was eager to try this new stealth diffusion technology. I sprayed on 2 sprays and off I went to the grocery store. The grocery store is not my favorite spot for testing because of the almost open air atmosphere (high ceilings and a large area). I like testing in small venues because my sillage is easier to trace. > > • _Strength_ - The self affects were mild. I’ve never tested TAA alone but Instant Shine usually makes me very tired after a few hours of wear. Two sprays of TAA were not as hard hitting as 2 sprays of Instant Shine. At 2 sprays I noticed little or no reaction. No one following me or my trail. I added another spray making it 3 sprays and I did notice some crowding where people would be drawn to the area where I was standing. > > • _Length of Effects_ - I sprayed it on at 10am and wore it until 11:30am > > • _Tenacity_ - The fragrance was light. It was clean smelling. I could smell the fragrance which was nice light and clean when I first sprayed it on but once it dried down I could barely smell it. > > • _Effectiveness_ - 3 sprays of TAA was mildly effective. I added 1 spray of AMMO and BOOM! people were stopping in their tracks. Men and women. They weren’t following me but when they were passing by they would just stop > > • _Diffusion/Sillage_ - The sillage was about 2-3 feet but as I explained the venue was large with high ceilings. No one followed the sillage trail. I have worn other pheromones where people did follow and look for my trail but not with MX425 at this venue. Thanks for responding, dude. This is great! > [@](#): > > All in all I like this new technology and I would like to see it applied to all of Androtics products. This technology may need a higher number of sprays or a more concentration of product to be effective. It may be similar to when you use oils in that you need a higher concentration. Or it could have a short sillage trail. More testing has to be done with different products and strengths. This is only my first test but so far it looks promising. That’s the idea: Stealthify the line. Eventually. Hopefully. MX425 just has _components_ of Stealth Diffusion Technology, it’s not the _finished_ Stealth Diffusion Technology. True to Androtics form, we TEST EVERYTHING until we get things just right. Sometimes these test cycles take _years_. We don’t just jump into anything around here, we have a disciplined mantra of test, test, test, test. Test Variable A + Variable B. Get feedback. Variable B + C. Get feedback. Variables A + B + C. Get feedback. Variables A + C. Get feedback. Try A + 2B + C. Whoa. ---
**Author:** ![notlad\_shrugged](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d07c76/32.png) [@notlad\_shrugged](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/notlad_shrugged)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 1:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/7 "2011-09-18T13:39:00Z")
I have received MX425 as well and applied 2 sprays before going to a friend’s home for dinner. 1 spray to throat and 1 to back of head. **Strength:** Self effects: Subtle. I couldn’t help but have a slight smile on my face. I was in a pleasant mood. Effect on others: 5 others in attendance. One friend, which there has been some tension between us, became more relaxed around me a few minutes after saying ‘Hi’. The dinner table was a good place to be with the others. Everyone was calm and conversation was fluid. After dinner and sitting around the table, one couple, which I have known for years, were very comfortable in telling about a “documentary” they recently saw. It was a conspiracy theory doc. They both excitedly told of how “the gov’t did this and the gov’t did that”. I couldn’t believe my ears! I have never known them to believe in such nonsense! However, our debate was respectful and calm. No hard feelings in the end. **Tenacity:** Zero fragrance. Smelling the bottle after spraying, I had to consciously think and concentrate to find any trace of an odor. Couldn’t smell anything on my person. **Effectiveness:** For me as a beginner, one test isn’t enough to say anything conclusive. I see these people often so I will do all the MX425 testing on them. **Length of effects** : My visit was 3 hours. **Diffusion:** Around the dinner table, about 28 square feet. Of course, sitting still and there not being any moving air probably helped. ---
**Author:** ![sireric123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@sireric123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sireric123)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/8 "2011-09-23T03:39:57Z")
Day 1 • Strength -For me the strentgh came in waves. I felt 3 spray was to weak so I upped it to 6 sprays ( 2 on each wrist, 1 on back of neck, 1 on chest) After the 6 spray I personally did not feel anything but about 15 minutes in I start to get a wierd feeling in my head. It eventually went away. Through out the day I felt more or less social. And as I was more social people around me were more or less social. Whether I started the conversation or if they did. I also felt that those who socialized with me felt more relaxed. • Length of Effects - Like mentioned above I felt it came in wave between after 15 minutes of application and up to about 6 hours or so of wearing it. Its hard for me to tell exactly the peak due to how my day was • Tenacity - I am putting this question on hold for now • Effectiveness - So far on day one I do see some noticeable change in the social aspect from everybody around me, including myself.. It did not matter if I knew them or now. So for me Im think so far 6 spray worked out good. I might test out 7 soon • Diffusion/Sillage - its hard for me to tell due to how my day went and were I was Smell: when I 1st smelt this from the bottle or sprayed it on a business card, it match my lightly scented body wash(clean, fresh, lightly soapy). When I put it on me, the smell took on an extra unusually characteristic that is hard to describe. Like once it was on my skin, the smell definition now included hints of Mellon and cinnamon. Tomorrow I am going to try the same dosage of 6 sprays, but I am going to use a different body wash and see what happens.. Will the smell be the same? will the effects be the same?? so on and so forth.. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2012, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-official-mx425-reporting-discussion-thread/52375/9 "2012-01-03T12:57:54Z")
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