# The pheromone crash - how to fend it off **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 20, 2010, 10:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pheromone-crash-how-to-fend-it-off/36406 "2010-02-20T10:18:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 22
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 11:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pheromone-crash-how-to-fend-it-off/36406/22 "2010-05-17T11:32:06Z")
Good to see you again tacitus dispensing words of wisdom! 😉 Yeah I agree regarding the comments re: taking nutrients before delving into the nootropics. There is also a school of thought that one should take precursors to the neurotransmitters rather than running on stimulants for example: > [@Help/Advice A314/IS](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/8): > > The bodybuilder stack is pretty extreme. Even caffeine alone can have you running on empty in terms of dopamine and norepinephrine. Combine that with yohimbe, aspirin/willow, ephedrine/ma huang, etc., and you really don’t have neurotransmitters to spare. Put another way – stimulants put the foot on the pedal, but they don’t refill the gas tank. The stack is also very hard on the adrenals, so you get more into race metaphors. If you take your car out to the track often, you have to be willing… MHarris wasn’t specifically talking about pheromones in that post. Some other ideas might be simply to wipe the mones off when you don’t really need them (for example if you are alone, P74 might not be the best thing to have on). Minimise the time you have a product on that you are especially sensitive too. Applying any problematic products away far away from your nose should help too (eg. back of neck application). I also favour slower released formulas over quicker release - for example the Beta Androstenol in CTTM seems tamer in terms of burnout than the Beta Androstenol in IH (and the Beta-Nol in CTTM seems to last for a solid 8 hours+). --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pheromone-crash-how-to-fend-it-off/36406)._