# The Pied Piper of Pheromones **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 25, 2008, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pied-piper-of-pheromones/10413 "2008-03-25T11:13:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![malleus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/malleus/32/1722_2.png) [@malleus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/malleus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pied-piper-of-pheromones/10413/1 "2008-03-25T11:13:07Z")
This past weekend I attended a little get-together at a girlfriend’s parents’ house. I knew most of the people there going to be in their 40s and up, so I decided to apply quite a bit of -none. 5-6 squirts of Turn Up The Heat, as well as two squirts of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Anyway, I was worried about OD, considering that I usually OD quite easily, and 5-6 squirts of TUTH is a tremendous amount for me, but I had nothing to lose so I gave it a go. What I did not count on was that one of the couples there (I’d say they were about 40 years old) brought their two daughters, aged 10 and 13. I thought I was going to be in OD land with them for sure. However, these little girls were completely ENTRANCED by me. Every time I turned my head, they were absolutely staring at me. It even took them a few seconds to realize I was looking at them before they turned their heads away and blushed. We were sitting on the floor, and one of the girls’ feet was resting on my leg. She even begged me to go to her lacrosse tournament the next day. Every time I would reach for a chip, the other sister would reach for a chip too, all the while gazing at me. This was all so surreal, considering I’d just met them about an hour before. I felt like the pied piper of Hamelin. I noticed some fairly positive reactions from some of the older people, while others were very quiet and seemed a bit intimidated by me. This leads me to believe I was somewhere between the upper limits of my -none tolerance and a typical OD. The reactions from the little girls, however, was all positive. The reason I find my results so interesting is that it adds another dimension to our frequently recurring topics of the -none OD and different ages’ tolerances for -none. This small sample experience seems to suggest that very young people (pre-pubescent or pubescent) have the highest tolerance for -none, teenagers and 20-somethings having the lowest tolerance, and women 40 and over have somewhere in the middle. I think this could give us some incite into the study of the whole of pheromones’ mechanism of action. None of us is precisely sure how and why pheromones work as they do on humans. My little experiment makes me wonder whether the reason people respond to pheromones as they do is more purely physiological or maybe is more of a combination of the physiological plus learned responses to stimuli. For instance, to use a crude illustrative example, a little girl has no fear of the penis. She probably doesn’t know what one looks like, and doesn’t know that she has anything to be worried about. Girls after puberty are, often, intimidated by the thought of sex because it becomes something very real and potentially threatening to them, and they share horror stories about it with each other, and maybe “learn” (unconsciously) to respond to pheromones in the same ways their girlfriends do (reminding me of women’s menstrual cycles mysteriously aligning). They’re also unsure of themselves at this age and thus are easily intimidated and threatened by the male genitalia. Older women often have their biological clock ticking and are more comfortable with a sexual relationship and usually experienced enough to not be intimidated by a penis. That could explain why my experiment happened as it did. Or maybe there is another explanation. It also suggests that women gain something (physiological, psychological, or otherwise) that makes -none more repellent AFTER puberty, which would mean that older women do NOT gain something later in life (at least that they did not have earlier in their lives) that makes them MORE tolerant of -none. Thoughts? Note: Please excuse the rambling and confused nature of this thread, as I am currently high on MEO-EST. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 11:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pied-piper-of-pheromones/10413/2 "2008-03-25T11:59:38Z")
Hey Malleus, good post. I’ll agree that the immeadiate effect of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is physiological. I’m not too sure about the “penis intimidation” thing. Kids simply don’t have the socialization to know that they are “supposed to” act a certain way when they feel attraction or repulsion. I think boys and girls of that age react in the same way. Look at the way they will react to physical beauty (symmetry) or uglyness (asymmetry). Teens and young adults are exploring the best ways to react to fit in with their peers. This makes their reactions highly situation dependent. Adults generally have the skills to react in a way that (they believe) will benefit themselves the most. This is also situation dependent but generally more predictable. Pheromones are one aspect of our symmetry. If we look (and act) like our pheromones “smell” we come across as symmetrical (congruent). Just my thoughts. reps to ya. ---
**Author:** ![malleus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/malleus/32/1722_2.png) [@malleus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/malleus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pied-piper-of-pheromones/10413/3 "2008-03-25T12:33:31Z")
I agree that girls and boys don’t know yet that they are “supposed to” act a certain way. That’s what makes their reactions to pheromones all the more genuine, or unadulterated by learned behaviors. And I do not necessarily use “learned” as a conscious term… I think a lot of behaviors women, for example, exhibit towards pheromones are subconscious or unconscious reactions to feelings inside of themselves. Also, I think that adults, when it comes to responding to pheromones, do not necessarily react how they consciously think they will benefit themselves. On some kind of deeper mental level, a teenage girl could feel attracted to -none and then respond with distance in some kind of Pavlovian way. Similarly, an older woman would have a different (but equally unconscious) response to sensing -none. I don’t think little girls have yet developed the “knowledge,” or have not been influenced subconsciously to react a certain way, to -none-attraction. That’s what makes their reactions the most pure, simple, and illuminating for experimentation purposes. I mean, who would think that a feeling of attraction would lead to a woman putting distance between you and herself? But it happens, as we all know, and it’s due to some mechanism in the brain that I don’t think has been entirely elucidated. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pied-piper-of-pheromones/10413/4 "2008-03-25T14:19:58Z")
I guess this is what makes pheromones so interesting to me. Such a massive amount of the human brain is devoted to learned behavior. Underlying all that though there is still the instinctive stimulus-response hardwired pattern. Pheromone reception and the sense of smell in general are centered in that older part of the brain. We may identify the smell of apple pie that is stimulating our salivary glands to produce drool, but we may never know that it is the “smell” of copulins that is stimulating our testicles to produce testoterone. How we outwardly respond to that stimulation is completely dependent on that bigger more complex part of the brain. I think of maturity as how well that bigger part of our brain serves our self interest. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pied-piper-of-pheromones/10413/5 "2008-03-25T16:39:08Z")
> [@malleus](#): > > I agree that girls and boys don’t know yet that they are “supposed to” act a certain way. That’s what makes their reactions to pheromones all the more genuine, or unadulterated by learned behaviors. And I do not necessarily use “learned” as a conscious term… I think a lot of behaviors women, for example, exhibit towards pheromones are subconscious or unconscious reactions to feelings inside of themselves. Also, I think that adults, when it comes to responding to pheromones, do not necessarily react how they consciously think they will benefit themselves. On some kind of deeper mental level, a teenage girl could feel attracted to -none and then respond with distance in some kind of Pavlovian way. Similarly, an older woman would have a different (but equally unconscious) response to sensing -none. I don’t think little girls have yet developed the “knowledge,” or have not been influenced subconsciously to react a certain way, to -none-attraction. That’s what makes their reactions the most pure, simple, and illuminating for experimentation purposes. I mean, who would think that a feeling of attraction would lead to a woman putting distance between you and herself? But it happens, as we all know, and it’s due to some mechanism in the brain that I don’t think has been entirely elucidated. It’s like, when you’re 5 and you smell some dog poo lying around, you’re not really likely to notice or you’ll just walk away (or maybe it’ll interest you..). When you’re 10, that pile of doggy poo might actually be more entertaining for whatever reason. Then when you’re 15 and trying to impress the ladies, that smell of poo might just make you check your shoes (or your pants…?) and if it isn’t on you, then don’t worry about it. Each stage of life has a different set of behaviors and reactions. But more than anything I think it’s more difficult to distinguish at what point it goes from being a learned reaction to an instinctive reaction. I’m pretty sure at some point, instinctively the smell of poo is repulsive because it contains toxins and other material that we don’t want in our bodies. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-pied-piper-of-pheromones/10413/6 "2008-03-25T17:13:34Z")
> [@malleus](#): > > **The reason I find my results so interesting is that it adds another dimension to our frequently recurring topics of the -none OD and different ages’ tolerances for -none.** This small sample experience seems to suggest that very young people (pre-pubescent or pubescent) have the highest tolerance for -none, teenagers and 20-somethings having the lowest tolerance, and women 40 and over have somewhere in the middle. I always say that it varies from target to target. Age may, at times, play a part. Nice findings, Malleus. 😉