# The power of suggestion on reports. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 18, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043 "2010-12-18T18:42:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![zest](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zest/32/1619_2.png) [@zest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zest)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/21 "2010-12-19T23:31:43Z")
> [@psylocybin](#): > > [MX297 - Initial thoughts and unwanted hits](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-initial-thoughts-and-unwanted-hits/43987) > > I feel this is the main post you’re referring to when talking about numerous people suddenly backpedaling in their praise of Mx297… > > I don’t think this is true at all and you’d be hard pressed to find people who don’t like it. I wasn’t really convinced 297 lived up to the hype in my initial bouts with it, but the irony is I’m pretty sure I could’ve closed without trying in that report. There was already initial attraction from before, but she was never that aggressive with me in the past. I’m going to start a journal later, but I’ve since had the chance to test 297 a little further and I have to say it’s very good for bonding. Just last night I had a beautiful redheaded model in my car showing me her entire music collection while waiting for the rain to stop. She ended up giving me her number without me asking before she got out. I sensed attraction there and I’m pretty sure I could’ve steered it wherever I wanted. Aside from the irritability I noticed the first couple times I used it, and the one bad experience with a314 mixed in (though this could be explained by other things that happened that night, I’ll report on this later..) I’m going to say that this mx is very good and I’ll probably be using it more around women I’m actually interested in. I’m not getting a female alpha vibe or any beta vibe from it. I still say though, that it does feel very emotional at times, intensifying whatever mood is happening at the moment. Maybe that’s part of the point? I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![psylocybin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@psylocybin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/psylocybin)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/22 "2010-12-20T00:19:11Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Well first off you’re citing threads that were started and thus replied to before Steve said it was alpha female and Jas revealed they were shooting for a friends vibe. And I never said people stopped liking it, I’m saying that after Steve and Jasmine’s posts that more users began saying it wasn’t sexual and you couldn’t close with it. Steve’s latest comment on beta-ness is very recent while jas’ comment on a ross/joey vibe is not as recent. I cited threads that were started recently or very recently or commented upon. Anyways, you still didn’t point out which threads you’re basing your argument upon.. Who is it that has changed his/her opinion on mx297 and what leads you to believe that their opinion is now tainted by recent threads? I don’t know why people think they can’t f-close with it cause I have.. You don’t need to be buff, rich, good looking or a sexual beast to get laid. There’s a guy in the UK who is homeless and he picks up girls and goes home with them 24/7 ( i saw it on a documentary lol). ---
**Author:** ![Noble](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noble/32/1768_2.png) [@Noble](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Noble)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/23 "2010-12-20T01:53:54Z")
Also, it’s important to keep in mind that Ross slept with Rachel on more than one occasion. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Morphious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@Morphious](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Morphious)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/24 "2010-12-20T16:32:11Z")
Not getting into the whole discussion of pointing fingers or blaming anyone. But I think that AD should really consider creating a private discussion thread like the A314 one where reporting users can share their own experiences of MXs and Ps based on the skill and scinece of testing mones privately. Once AD thinks they collected the initial data of the MX/P, then they can announce the MX/P to the public for a second wave of testing by non-RUs, as long as RUs don’t “steer” the reports one way or another. Just my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/25 "2010-12-20T17:01:20Z")
> [@Morphious](#): > > Not getting into the whole discussion of pointing fingers or blaming anyone. But I think that AD should really consider creating a private discussion thread like the A314 one where reporting users can share their own experiences of MXs and Ps based on the skill and scinece of testing mones privately. Once AD thinks they collected the initial data of the MX/P, then they can announce the MX/P to the public for a second wave of testing by non-RUs, as long as RUs don’t “steer” the reports one way or another. > > Just my two cents. So you are Suggesting a Two/Three Tiered Testing Scheme… AD of course has it’s Results, Compare with Closed Testing with Reporting Users, and Finally a More Open Testing with Normal Users… If the Forums are Kept Separate then you would have Three Sets of Valid Testing Data… Not a Bad Idea, but would only Work if the Reporting Users didn’t Give too Much Info to the Normal Users… They could say HOW they Tested but not the Results for Example… It’s a Thought… ---
**Author:** ![Morphious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ce73a5/32.png) [@Morphious](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Morphious)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/26 "2010-12-20T18:10:31Z")
> [@Pandakun](#): > > So you are Suggesting a Two/Three Tiered Testing Scheme… AD of course has it’s Results, Compare with Closed Testing with Reporting Users, and Finally a More Open Testing with Normal Users… If the Forums are Kept Separate then you would have Three Sets of Valid Testing Data… Not a Bad Idea, but would only Work if the Reporting Users didn’t Give too Much Info to the Normal Users… They could say HOW they Tested but not the Results for Example… It’s a Thought… Exactly! That’s why I said as long as RUs are not “steering” the reports on non-RUs one way or another. Now keep in mind that AD currenlty from time to time send some RUs new test products unannounced and ask them for feedback. So this could be used/factored into the suggested model to give better research results. Now, in the long run, this may help groom new reporting users who will stand out from the rest, and they would be the future of AD’s research. ---
**Author:** ![azazel249](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/azazel249/32/1585_2.png) [@azazel249](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/azazel249)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/27 "2010-12-21T11:39:00Z")
> [@psylocybin](#): > > [MX297 - Initial thoughts and unwanted hits](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx297-initial-thoughts-and-unwanted-hits/43987) > > I feel this is the main post you’re referring to when talking about numerous people suddenly backpedaling in their praise of Mx297… > > I don’t think this is true at all and you’d be hard pressed to find people who don’t like it. > > This is azazel’s post from today… > > And this poll’s been out for a year!! Only two people outright said no it shouldn’t be released in 30ml. Thats proof enough about this forum’s general thought’s on mx297 don’t you think? > > [POLL: Do you want MX297 to be released in 30mL version?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/poll-do-you-want-mx297-to-be-released-in-30ml-version/189937) [thread not found] > > _YESSS PLEASE!_ 80.81% > > Don’t care 4.07% > > NOOOO 1.16% > > YES, but with a shot of p83 thrown in! 13.95% > > So I must say I completely disagree with your opinion on others’ recently changed thoughts and reactions to mx297 and would like you to point out where you got your information. > > I do agree however that those who find themselves swayed by what they read should refrain from reading posts before they have a chance to test the mx’s and putatives out for themselves. It’s funny because before I ordered I was reading tons of good reports on it,but when I completed the order I continued to read up on it and seen the reports on the beta & attraction issues and I was like WTF lol. But I tried it a few times just running around town and liked the self effects and I was more happy with it once I went into the bar scene with it. The reason I was a little upset is because for some reason I get that feeling with Instant Gentlemen, I feel like a slight pushover with it. I am not sure if it is the name that is causing some sort of placebo effect Or I need to man up the the mix. This was the first product I used and got hits from some unexpected people. But I felt slightly castrated 😕 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043/28 "2010-12-21T14:09:26Z")
> [@psylocybin](#): > > Steve’s latest comment on beta-ness is very recent while jas’ comment on a ross/joey vibe is not as recent. I cited threads that were started recently or very recently or commented upon. Anyways, you still didn’t point out which threads you’re basing your argument upon.. Who is it that has changed his/her opinion on mx297 and what leads you to believe that their opinion is now tainted by recent threads? > > I don’t know why people think they can’t f-close with it cause I have.. You don’t need to be buff, rich, good looking or a sexual beast to get laid. There’s a guy in the UK who is homeless and he picks up girls and goes home with them 24/7 ( i saw it on a documentary lol). Jas’s post on the Ross/Joey vibe is from September, two months ago. And I’m talking about threads (including ones you cited) that go back to before summer started, some from when I first joined and felt that I missed out on 297 due to bad timing. The reports from back then made no mention of Beta-ness, Alpha Female, Inability to close etc. Newer reports do. No, I have no intention of citing the specific reports because I have no interest in “calling out” any particular user and risk this turning in an argument where somebody feels the need to defend themselves against what they may perceive to be an accusation of me trying to make them look like they don’t know what they’re talking about. If my statement doesn’t ring true for you without me showing every specific post then I must be wrong in my perception and I can accept that. It’s preferable to this degenerating into drama because people feel the need to defend themselves. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-power-of-suggestion-on-reports/44043.md?page=1)