# the product the most powerful .... ??? **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [October 8, 2012, 8:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959 "2012-10-08T08:28:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 8:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/21 "2012-10-09T08:54:26Z")
I would stick with 6% Neroli for the P83 - It is the same scent with the same diffusion properties as all the Instant products in the kit, except A314 (6% Akuto) and Ammo (10% FF21) Going with a different scent may clash or not sit well with cover scents and P83 isn’t really a primary phero, you should use it in a supporting/steering role. There are other pheros but they tend to get more difficult/unpredictable to dose/use. If you want products that work rather than something to take a risk and experiment with, you have about the best range to start with there. I don’t know if you will get MX297? That was substituted in the kit when [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) was out of stock and now IJ is back, I think they were going to default to it again - maybe they hav not updated the page? IJ is the highest dose Androstenone/closest product to MAG that AD sell, so you you might be very interested to compare them! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![pranzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5ac83/32.png) [@pranzo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pranzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 9:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/22 "2012-10-09T09:08:40Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I would stick with 6% Neroli for the P83 - It is the same scent with the same diffusion properties as all the Instant products in the kit, except A314 (6% Akuto) and Ammo (10% FF21) > > Going with a different scent may clash or not sit well with cover scents and P83 isn’t really a primary phero, you should use it in a supporting/steering role. > > There are other pheros but they tend to get more difficult/unpredictable to dose/use. If you want products that work rather than something to take a risk and experiment with, you have about the best range to start with there. > > I don’t know if you will get MX297? That was substituted in the kit when Instant Jerk was out of stock and now IJ is back, I think they were going to default to it again - maybe they hav not updated the page? IJ is the highest dose Androstenone/closest product to MAG that AD sell, so you you might be very interested to compare them! 😉 ok this is noted on my order. tell me why I must take the product or there is moin mcg? and they say it is for the experts? it can not give more result.? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 9:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/23 "2012-10-09T09:25:44Z")
It is because the higher dose androstenone products are more difficult to use/easier to OD on, especially for younger guys who already produce more androstenone naturally to begin with. Very broadly, as we age, we produce less androstenone, so an older guy usually needs more to get the same results (even I at 48 don’t need the 3x TUTH yet!). Also, younger women usually respond best to a lower dose of androstenone (and more socials) compared to older. So a girl in her teens/early 20s is very likely to respond badly to a large dose, whilst a thirty/forty-something woman will very likely find a large dose more to her taste. Its all about finding the right balance for the people you are around. And yes, you do get the odd exception at any age. 🙂 With Putatives, like [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) you can buy them at a range of doses but most people here find P83 gives good results in the 10-60mcg range, so if you want, buy any dose you like. 25mcg would also be good and I’d reckon you could get away with just one spray at that but it is worth buying a concentration that lets you try a range of doses so you can find what works for you. Socials are less complicated and yes, you do have a wider range of doses you can use but remember that too much socials can weaken your mix by obliterating the effect of androstenone or other pheros involved ---
**Author:** ![pranzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5ac83/32.png) [@pranzo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pranzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/24 "2012-10-09T09:39:04Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > It is because the higher dose androstenone products are more difficult to use/easier to OD on, especially for younger guys who already produce more androstenone naturally to begin with. > > Very broadly, as we age, we produce less androstenone, so an older guy usually needs more to get the same results (even I at 48 don’t need the 3x TUTH yet!). Also, younger women usually respond best to a lower dose of androstenone (and more socials) compared to older. So a girl in her teens/early 20s is very likely to respond badly to a large dose, whilst a thirty/forty-something woman will very likely find a large dose more to her taste. Its all about finding the right balance for the people you are around. And yes, you do get the odd exception at any age. 🙂 > > With Putatives, like P83 you can buy them at a range of doses but most people here find P83 gives good results in the 10-60mcg range, so if you want, buy any dose you like. 25mcg would also be good and I’d reckon you could get away with just one spray at that but it is worth buying a concentration that lets you try a range of doses so you can find what works for you. > > Socials are less complicated and yes, you do have a wider range of doses you can use but remember that too much socials can weaken your mix by obliterating the effect of androstenone or other pheros involved thank you for the explanation. I believe you and everything seems logical. without your help I 'aurrait bought most powerful ainssi that smells different the one from the other. \* I still have a single fear, it is the smell that accompanies perfumes [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) because orane flower that is not what he is best as scented and I do not see what may have resembled the Akuto fragrance, CHOCOLATINI, FF21 … pity that there is not a comparison with the tables with big brand perfumes ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 10:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/25 "2012-10-09T10:45:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I still have a single fear, it is the smell that accompanies perfumes pheromones because orane flower that is not what he is best as scented and I do not see what may have resembled the Akuto fragrance, CHOCOLATINI, FF21 … pity that there is not a comparison with the tables with big brand perfumes The neroli scent is light. You can use a brand name perfume at the same time you use the pheromones to overpower the neroli scent. ---
**Author:** ![pranzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5ac83/32.png) [@pranzo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pranzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 10:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/26 "2012-10-09T10:59:39Z")
> [@JohnM](#): > > The neroli scent is light. You can use a brand name perfume at the same time you use the pheromones to overpower the neroli scent. aaah ok . thanks so I can put my personal fragrance products above this? all products pack? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/27 "2012-10-09T11:33:15Z")
Yes, all except Ammo - that is the only one with a cologne strength scent. The rest will sit well with just about any cologne - [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) is a very common cologne/perfume ingredient and 6% Akuto is also easy to cover. And there are plenty threads comparing AD scents with the big names. Look in the Perfume Forum. Akuto is a bit like Body Kourous, a bit less sweet maybe. Grapefruit and Chocolatini smell just like the names suggest. I’ve never smelled the cookie one though. ---
**Author:** ![pranzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5ac83/32.png) [@pranzo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pranzo)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 11:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/28 "2012-10-09T11:48:27Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes, all except Ammo - that is the only one with a cologne strength scent. > > The rest will sit well with just about any cologne - Neroli is a very common cologne/perfume ingredient and 6% Akuto is also easy to cover. > > And there are plenty threads comparing AD scents with the big names. Look in the Perfume Forum. > > Akuto is a bit like Body Kourous, a bit less sweet maybe. Grapefruit and Chocolatini smell just like the names suggest. I’ve never smelled the cookie one though. a small issue that has nothing to do with the post so I’m going to court. is that it is possible to have just the perfumes without pheromones? just Akuto or just neroli, grapfruit … on [https://a314.com/](https://a314.com/) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2012, 1:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/29 "2012-10-09T13:52:10Z")
Yes, you can get all fragrances under the Supplies tab: > **[Experimental Human Pheromones - Pheromone Labs](https://pheromonelabs.com/)** Simply choose a 30ml bottle, then use the menus to select your dilutent and fragrance strength - light is 6% and cologne strength is 20%, then your fragrance. One thing, each individual mone mix does alter each fragrance slightly, so don’t expect the raw fragrance to smell exactly the same. ---
**Author:** ![pranzo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b5ac83/32.png) [@pranzo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pranzo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2012, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959/30 "2012-10-11T09:56:39Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes, you can get all fragrances under the Supplies tab: > > [https://pheromonelabs.com/](https://pheromonelabs.com/) > > Simply choose a 30ml bottle, then use the menus to select your dilutent and fragrance strength - light is 6% and cologne strength is 20%, then your fragrance. > > One thing, each individual mone mix does alter each fragrance slightly, so don’t expect the raw fragrance to smell exactly the same. Good afternoon. the command that I spent yesterday already in shipping. it’s fast! . is there a place where there aurrait mode employs each product AD (androtic) on the forum or something? I speak in the manner of use [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-product-the-most-powerful/56959.md?page=1)