# The Quest for Congruence - Diary of a Feminist Man **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [April 8, 2013, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691 "2013-04-08T14:43:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/41 "2013-05-14T13:50:45Z")
Ah well, five sprays of 15mg [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) later and there was some slight effect - we certainly had a very light-hearted (light headed?) evening of warmth and affection. She loved having her neck stroked, practically purring like a cat. But in the end no progression or intimacy ending in the usual early night. Hey ho. I’m working away from home the next couple of days so her poor neurons can have a break. See you on the other side… ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/42 "2013-05-19T22:38:41Z")
Well, well, well. The TAC and TUTH togo mix took things to a new place after just three nights. Before I go any further the mix felt smooth and integrated to wear. I had a natural feeling of intimacy and sexiness without any sense I may have an ulterior motive. When I have tried TUTH previously it felt a bit ‘bolted on’ and obvious. Not here and if what I feel is any clue to what my wife feels when I’m wearing it then I can see how it works. Not a great deal happened Friday and Saturday night but then we were planning, organizing and travelling to attend a family wedding away from home, a lot to think about. Well, one thing happened. My wife’s hand did wander just a little on Saturday night and I couldn’t decide whether this was a hit or not. I decided it probably was… So, to last night. A kiss, a cuddle, a back stroke and then and based on a hunch I placed her hand…there. She stroked me like I haven’t been stroked in years. She was actually into it, with desire, rather than pulling away or leaving her hand frozen in place. By the end she was breathing heavily and continuing to touch me above and beyond the call of duty. I still didn’t touch her, not wishing to escalate and be rejected like so many times before. But if she wants more she can come looking for it tonight and she can be sure I’ll be there for her 🙂 So, 1Alpha, thank you for the original TAC suggestion, thank you monesmadedoit for the mix idea, and thank you Miss Dragon for the suggestion I stick with IS (I added a _very_ small amount to the mix). You have all helped make my marriage stronger. The journey continues however…hopefully more soon. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/43 "2013-05-20T01:09:18Z")
Congrats! I’m so glad things are starting to happen, and it didn’t just end! Good for you! Were you wearing any A314, or just the TAC TUTH IS mix? ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2013, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/44 "2013-05-20T01:23:11Z")
O > [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > Congrats! I’m so glad things are starting to happen, and it didn’t just end! Good for you! Were you wearing any A314, or just the TAC TUTH IS mix? Thank you! Nope, I steered clear of the A314. I mixed the TAC and TUTH in a togo to the prescribed amounts, adding just four sprays of IS before shaking. With hindsight, while A314 may be good for respect it probably counteracted comfort in my particular situation. Which sounds obvious in retrospect but I guess we all have to learn the hard way! I’m going to stick to the TAC/TUTH mix alone a bunch more times to see if it has the cumulative effect suggested and expected. ---
**Author:** ![Quicksilver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/quicksilver/32/1328_2.png) [@Quicksilver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Quicksilver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2013, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/45 "2013-06-02T19:32:02Z")
> [@Feminist\_Man](#): > > It does seem to be true that A314 (and also possibly Instant Gentleman) profoundly shapes the wearer in a way that makes congruence easier. This manifests through a sharp self-awareness of when I’m contradicting the mone signals and an almost physical pull to bring my actions back in line with them. This is a strange feeling, subtle yet obvious at the same time. But a great tool for self-development to be sure 🙂 I haven’t come across a better description of A314 self effects than the above statement. This is EXACTLY how this product influences my posture! Thank you for crystallizing and codifying the power of A314 like this. My self dialog, literally, sounds like, " Hold it, are you rolling your shoulders forward? You are rolling them forward; stop it! Roll them back, and act like the dignified man you are!" Amazing stuff, A314. BTW, for when your wife “raises the red flag”… you might want to research IFM which has been discontinued by androtics due to patent issues and low profitability, and it’s current approximate equivalent (available from another vendor), “A1” Also a fine aid that may help your marriage look more like what you were likely planning when you first tied the knot … Look up MMSL by Athol Kay. The blog is a jewel, the book is a diamond. Cheers, 🆒 Quicksilver By the way, to other readers, if my A1 info is wrong, please correct me, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/46 "2013-06-03T14:45:09Z")
Hi Quicksilver, thanks for the post! To update my original point I toss and turn the whole A314 thing over from time to time, wondering how much of the self-effect is placebo. I still come to the conclusion it is a real, profound thing with the placebo effect at most marginal. Since I started wearing A314 I have made decisive changes in my life that have originated below the conscious but in retrospect formed a positive, progressive pattern. Funny enough, A1 is next on my ‘to get’ list after reading lots about it (down to page 834 on the Men’s Forum and counting) And the Athol Kay blog is ace, thanks for the tip, much good stuff there. A quick relationship/mones update: In another mones-related twist it recently sank in that while my wife is finally getting physically turned on, at least in part due to the mones, this is not enough if I’m still battling her mind and repression. So I sent her an email (spoken conversation on this subject being impossible and unproductive) saying that I am tired of fighting her mind and am withdrawing the pretence that we have anything other than a friendship. And, I added, that after more than six years without seeing her naked this seems quite reasonable and may enable us to (re)build things over time. I also said that I was not leaving and not having an affair, simply that we need to confront the facts of our relationship. Later that evening she sought me out, emotional and ready to consider dealing with her fears, or at least understand them. We have a long way to go but I believe the mones have played a key part in stripping our relationship down so that I can see things more clearly. Difficult to put this down to one combo, the sexual, social and alpha have all played a part. But at least as important as the direct impact of mones has been a willingness to attempt an understanding of psychology in the bright light of their effects. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/47 "2013-06-03T20:34:39Z")
That’s a big step. I’m hoping for the best for you. Just a thought, when the two of you do sit down to have some talks, it might be helpful if you use some [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). It might make it easier for her to get through her inhibitions and say the things that are hard to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/48 "2013-06-04T02:41:04Z")
I don’t think A314 is placebo. That’s why I created the [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) effects poll. Posture is a very common effect. I see all androsterone products and 75 as closely related. Even if 75 is Androst A None, it’s metabolically close to Rone. P74 and IH are far more effective with bonding combining with 75, and the same is reported for A314. Whether it’s the Rone, the incusion of 75 or what, I don’t know. You can combine IH atop TAC/None usage. It will take a few weeks, but it should work. If TAF steers IH (as some think), the relationship reset effects of TAF might work. The memory effect in IH might come from this, and it should prove useful. 74 is similarly useful. Few attempts has been made at a unisex bonding mix. Everyone wants None and Rone in them. In truth, the sexual mixes for men and women need to be distinct from the bonding. Betanol, P102, TAF and 74 could make an excellent future mix, if P102 and TAF are close cousins. Women would use TAL/TAH/Cops with a bonder, and men would use None/Rone and a bonder. Nobody makes the bonder I’m looking for, exactly. I’m hoping 102, BNOL and 74 will be it maybe. The key is not just deep convo, but focus on you as the talker. If the bonder works, the sex is going to be there without much effort. ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/49 "2013-06-04T16:41:53Z")
Hi Miss Dragon, I have used [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) around my wife a few times but it doesn’t seem to have any effect. Not sure why, perhaps it just doesn’t push her buttons. On the other hand I co-presented a radio show tonight and secretly gave myself four sprays before starting the broadcast to see what would happen. No shocking personal revelations from either of us on-air but we sure as hell didn’t care if anyone was listening to our idle ramblings. And monesmadedoit, you’re going in deep there, man. I love your scientific approach but actually find myself scaling back from complex combos, realising less is more at the moment. But curious to know what you think of TAC/P74 together…what effect would you expect? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/50 "2013-06-04T17:04:30Z")
> [@Feminist\_Man](#): > > Hi Miss Dragon, I have used Instant Honesty around my wife a few times but it doesn’t seem to have any effect. Not sure why, perhaps it just doesn’t push her buttons. On the other hand I co-presented a radio show tonight and secretly gave myself four sprays before starting the broadcast to see what would happen. No shocking personal revelations from either of us on-air but we sure as hell didn’t care if anyone was listening to our idle ramblings. > > And monesmadedoit, you’re going in deep there, man. I love your scientific approach but actually find myself scaling back from complex combos, realising less is more at the moment. But curious to know what you think of TAC/P74 together…what effect would you expect? It’s going to take time to see effects from IH in women. You may not see it. You’ll see it a month later. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and TAC should be OK, but may send mixed signals. With 74 and IH, you should see closeness vs. distancing. If you see closeness, then you use None and TAC gradually. You can alternate 74 + IH and TAC + None. You should. From 74 + 314 + I H, you want the crush and “need you” effect. It’s been proven over and over to do it. It lingers even after your not using, but takes time. Basically, alternate T A C/None and the crush formula. T AC is really seduction, where the rest is attraction/bonding. If bonding has not taken hold, increasing sexual tension won’t work. However, TAC can soften 314 or other products you may have used in the past unsuccessfully. It can make TUTH or 314 work. There’s None in 314 that can help, but the fallout quality of 314 is awesome. Give 314 and TAC a shot with or without 74. Essentially, and this is something I wish Androtics would underscore, the fallout mixes of 74/I H + 314 or 75 are **THE BEST ever produced**. They work. They make women **fall for you** madly. I used to think it was BS. Mobocaster is totally right. He’s just one of the few with very good perceptions. Problem: They don’t make a mix like this. It’s total DIY. 75 works better if the woman doesn’t like 314. T A C is the ultimate physical **comfort** product, and cures a lack thereof, if this is the true problem. _I believe it is the third steering mone in IH (not ANOL or BNOL) that is quite key with renewing relationships, making the communication of betanol work better and making many consumer products work their magic. Many people miss the effects, because they only use a spray or 2. When you use several sprays, you get 10+ mcg of the third mone. At that point, you hit the magic amount of this rare, expensive booster. I’ve seen it work, and it’s rather special._ ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/51 "2013-06-04T21:55:38Z")
If you’re thinking of looking at A 1, I would suggest also researching Steve’s Cohesion oil. It is basically also Androstadienone, but buffered to reduce possible male depression effects. It also comes “ready to go”, you just carefully dispense one drop at a time (1 is usually enough, 2 works well if she’s due her period). A 1 theoretically can be dispensed straight from the bottle, but the dropper is not very accurate. Most people recommend diluting the A 1 with something. I have used both, and am planning on staying with Cohesion oil. This is very long lasting (8 hours+). It suits me because I have 6 - 7 hours of exposure to my target per day. If you have shorter exposure times, and don’t need the 8+ hour duration, you could go with the Cohesion spray. OR go with the A 1. I just wanted to raise the possibility! Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/52 "2013-06-05T14:06:25Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > It’s going to take time to see effects from IH in women. You may not see it. You’ll see it a month later. P74 and TAC should be OK, but may send mixed signals. With 74 and IH, you should see closeness vs. distancing. If you see closeness, then you use None and TAC gradually. You can alternate 74 + IH and TAC + None. You should. From 74 + 314 + I H, you want the crush and “need you” effect. It’s been proven over and over to do it. It lingers even after your not using, but takes time. Basically, alternate T A C/None and the crush formula. T AC is really seduction, where the rest is attraction/bonding. If bonding has not taken hold, increasing sexual tension won’t work. However, TAC can soften 314 or other products you may have used in the past unsuccessfully. It can make TUTH or 314 work. There’s None in 314 that can help, but the fallout quality of 314 is awesome. Give 314 and TAC a shot with or without 74. > > Essentially, and this is something I wish Androtics would underscore, the fallout mixes of 74/I H + 314 or 75 are **THE BEST ever produced**. They work. They make women **fall for you** madly. I used to think it was BS. Mobocaster is totally right. He’s just one of the few with very good perceptions. Problem: They don’t make a mix like this. It’s total DIY. 75 works better if the woman doesn’t like 314. T A C is the ultimate physical **comfort** product, and cures a lack thereof, if this is the true problem. > > _I believe it is the third steering mone in IH (not ANOL or BNOL) that is quite key with renewing relationships, making the communication of betanol work better and making many consumer products work their magic. Many people miss the effects, because they only use a spray or 2. When you use several sprays, you get 10+ mcg of the third mone. At that point, you hit the magic amount of this rare, expensive booster. I’ve seen it work, and it’s rather special._ A lot to consider here. I believe I have had clear results of one kind or another with A314, Shine, TAC, IG, Ammo and probably TUTH (in a combo only). Results vary from mild DIHL and clinginess (A314) to breathless arousal (your suggested TAC/TUTH togo mix). IH and P74 have been much less clear - perhaps patience is the key. I have darted around the mixes rather the last few months in my new-found enthusiasm for the hobby. However, I’m up for taking your advice on P74/IH + A314 (and will do so) You are certainly very persuasive. 🙂 But, given the positive results I have already seen mones-wise without making a transformational breakthrough with my wife, I know the issues are more deep-seated than the most powerful mix. My wife simply doesn’t know how to act on the feelings the mones are prompting. An analogy -listening to the French language may make her feel sexy but if she doesn’t understand the instructions she won’t get on her knees 😉 She has promised to deal with these issues however, so if I can find the right combination of mones to support this all is not lost. It will take a while though. You have come up with some great ideas to support this backed up by sound thinking, thank you. I’ll keep on gaining experience with the mones and check back here in regularly with updates. ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 2:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/53 "2013-06-05T14:17:53Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > If you’re thinking of looking at A 1, I would suggest also researching Steve’s Cohesion oil. It is basically also Androstadienone, but buffered to reduce possible male depression effects. It also comes “ready to go”, you just carefully dispense one drop at a time (1 is usually enough, 2 works well if she’s due her period). A 1 theoretically can be dispensed straight from the bottle, but the dropper is not very accurate. Most people recommend diluting the A 1 with something. > I have used both, and am planning on staying with Cohesion oil. This is very long lasting (8 hours+). It suits me because I have 6 - 7 hours of exposure to my target per day. If you have shorter exposure times, and don’t need the 8+ hour duration, you could go with the Cohesion spray. OR go with the A 1. I just wanted to raise the possibility! > > Good luck. Thanks Ragnar. And well-judged too because when I told people to kill me if I went near the Androtics store again this side of Christmas the deal didn’t cover other [pheromone](https://a314.com/) vendors…after researching I plan to make an order for Cohesion oil in the next couple of days. In addition to helping my marriage I can see extra benefits because I work in an office with a lot of women. If I can make them feel good when they wouldn’t otherwise that’s a sell for me. By the way, do you use it daily? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/54 "2013-06-05T18:14:32Z")
> [@Feminist\_Man](#): > > A lot to consider here. > > I believe I have had clear results of one kind or another with A314, Shine, TAC, IG, Ammo and probably TUTH (in a combo only). Results vary from mild DIHL and clinginess (A314) to breathless arousal (your suggested TAC/TUTH togo mix). > > IH and P74 have been much less clear - perhaps patience is the key. I have darted around the mixes rather the last few months in my new-found enthusiasm for the hobby. > > However, I’m up for taking your advice on P74/IH + A314 (and will do so) You are certainly very persuasive. 🙂 > > But, given the positive results I have already seen mones-wise without making a transformational breakthrough with my wife, I know the issues are more deep-seated than the most powerful mix. My wife simply doesn’t know how to act on the feelings the mones are prompting. An analogy -listening to the French language may make her feel sexy but if she doesn’t understand the instructions she won’t get on her knees 😉 > > She has promised to deal with these issues however, so if I can find the right combination of mones to support this all is not lost. It will take a while though. > > You have come up with some great ideas to support this backed up by sound thinking, thank you. > > I’ll keep on gaining experience with the mones and check back here in regularly with updates. After more than a year of testing and reading–and reading–I feel I’ve found a breakthrough. However, there’s some things I’ll probably never report on. I’ve coined **Magic Juice** (MJ) as what I think might be the whole key. We’ll call it a special steering molecule. IH probably as 2.5 mcg per spray. 314 had/has it. 4-6 sprays IH is world’s different than 2. It’s just they don’t sell 2X and 4X I H, so people don’t see it. When you combine 314/ I H, you get maybe 15 mcg of MJ. 74 itself, at a party, gets married women dreamy and DIHL into guys wearing a status product. MJ makes relationships take on a deep, soulful quality. A few drinks and several shots of I H, and the MJ + betanol takes your mind into a new universe. Many mones products–I think here and elsewhere–maybe woundn’t be what they are without MJ. The best way for most people in their 1st year with mones to test this is with 6-8 sprays IH. Remember, people used to use lots of this, when 4X was sold. They used 4X. One woman used 40 mcg betanol and about 10 of MJ – like 4 sprays Honesty. Her report convinced me. But people need to test themselves. 4-6 sprays I H should do it for most. Look for unusual DIHL and blanking effects. Also, remembrance and changes to perception/circumstance. It will be subtle. T A C is for easing physical issues that are barriers to sex, but it’s emotional impact is limited. Is this a romantic discomfort or physical going on? ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 9:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/55 "2013-06-06T09:15:27Z")
This feels like special information you’re sharing, moesmadedoit. I won’t tell anyone I promise\* \*Until I wear 6-8 sprays of IH that is 😉 Regarding your question: > [@monesmadedoit](#): > > T A C is for easing physical issues that are barriers to sex, but it’s emotional impact is limited. Is this a romantic discomfort or physical going on? That is the nub of it all. I used to think it was a physical issue. My wife believes so, saying she has never ‘got on’ with her own body. However, watching mones have their effect I am very aware she needs to feel physically close and comforted by me. And at the same time she has become physically aroused. But for all that there are barriers that she will not cross - or doesn’t know how to. It makes her sad but she just is not able to do it. That is why she needs to find the right solution for her, whether it be therapy or some other thing. In the meantime I will keep working the mones hard and do my bit to encourage her to get through it. I don’t know if that background info changes your advice on IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)/314 but I suspect not… ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 11:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/56 "2013-06-06T11:33:16Z")
> [@Feminist\_Man](#): > > Thanks Ragnar. And well-judged too because when I told people to kill me if I went near the Androtics store again this side of Christmas the deal didn’t cover other pheromone vendors…after researching I plan to make an order for Cohesion oil in the next couple of days. > > In addition to helping my marriage I can see extra benefits because I work in an office with a lot of women. If I can make them feel good when they wouldn’t otherwise that’s a sell for me. > > By the way, do you use it daily? Yes, I wear Cohesion every day. After showering in the morning, I apply a very thin layer of lanolin-based lotion all along my inner forearms. About 30 minutes later, after breakfast, I then apply one drop of Cohesion oil to my left inner forearm, and smear it all along my inner forearm with my right index finger. Then I repeat the procedure (mirror image) on my other arm. I work in short-sleeved shirts, and the air con is set around 70 degrees, but I get pretty warm. So it’s a total dose of 2 drops of Cohesion oil, in Pepper and Nutmeg scent. I find it’s a subtle aroma. I’m also using A314 and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) at the same time. I have found that Cohesion, like A 1, can have some immediate effects, but these also tend to build with time and repeated exposures. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2013, 1:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/57 "2013-06-06T13:16:17Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > Yes, I wear Cohesion every day. After showering in the morning, I apply a very thin layer of lanolin-based lotion all along my inner forearms. About 30 minutes later, after breakfast, I then apply one drop of Cohesion oil to my left inner forearm, and smear it all along my inner forearm with my right index finger. Then I repeat the procedure (mirror image) on my other arm. I work in short-sleeved shirts, and the air con is set around 70 degrees, but I get pretty warm. So it’s a total dose of 2 drops of Cohesion oil, in Pepper and Nutmeg scent. I find it’s a subtle aroma. I’m also using A314 and P83 at the same time. > I have found that Cohesion, like A 1, can have some immediate effects, but these also tend to build with time and repeated exposures. > Hope this helps. Absolutely it does Ragnar, and I have just placed my order. It will hopefully arrive here in the UK on Monday. _That_ was my last order till Christmas…really. Mones are burning up all my comic book money but it is way worth it. If I had to put an estimate on the value of mones: - 80% for the way my approach to day to day life has changed - 20% for their effect on other people ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/58 "2013-10-29T16:02:22Z")
Cracking open this thread after a long break… I am now a moderately experienced mone user and understand their limitations as much as I appreciate their benefits. First the bad news. The mones (nor me wearing them 😛) never did achieve a home run. My theory remains that if a woman is in essence sexually responsive the mones will uncover it. However, if she doesn’t have the physical response buttons or is alienated from her own body all the mones in the world won’t make the difference. Second, the good news. The mones continue to play an important part in improving our relationship. She is so much more tactile and comfortable with physical closeness than before and by the way she follows my application points when we cuddle the mones have certainly helped. That is most definately a good thing! You can probably guess from this that I now go heavy on social and comfort mones in recognition of her own comfort zone. While I now own over 50 bottles(!) including samples from Androtics and PheromoneXS I tend to stick to more modest use than before. At home - when the time of the month is right I use A1 (Cohesion) only. At other times I add one mone to this, occasionally two. I rotate several different flavours according to my whims - at the moment I have gone back to [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/). I find this complements A1 well. At work - I have stuck with A314 and Ascend with an occasional dip into the Cohesion well (all my work colleagues are women). Yes, I get hits, usually from women meeting me for the first time. But as anyone who has read my diary knows this is incidental really. I wear mones at work to improve working relationships, not to get into anyone’s pants. Shame really. If unmarried it would be fun seeing where mones could take me… But as it is I am still enjoying myself and have enough mones to last right through 2014. If I have an amazing mone experience or epiphany I will report back in, thanks for reading. ---
**Author:** ![Feminist\_Man](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/feminist_man/32/1583_2.png) [@Feminist\_Man](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Feminist_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/59 "2014-05-16T21:48:02Z")
Back after a long break because I have received the strongest crush effect so far from my wife. A mix of TUTH (25%); TAC (25%); P96 (25%) and small amounts of IH and IS to top it off. Three sprays in all - two to the neck and one to the chest. The new element for me is P96. I’m going to have fun with this one. And for readers familiar with this thread - no, mones still haven’t got me laid with my wife. Seven years and counting. But I’ve never experienced DIHL and clinginess like I have tonight, especially around the application points. And to hear her mumbling ‘such a lovely hug’ as she went to sleep in my arms, her face pressed against my chest spray, well, that was almost as good as sex. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691/60 "2014-05-19T03:05:32Z")
I’m really happy to hear this! Thanks for the update! It sounds like, even though you haven’t reached your initial goal, you are still finding new levels of intimacy. I’ve done quite a bit of testing p96 in the recent past, so I’m very curious about what your experiences might be. Please let us know what you find! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-quest-for-congruence-diary-of-a-feminist-man/58691.md?page=4)