# The Secret Law Of ATTRACTION

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [May 12, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629 "2007-05-12T19:08:04Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/103 "2009-02-21T23:43:00Z")

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Nothing like good 'ole thread necromancy 😃

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**Author:** ![Del10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Del10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Del10)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/104 "2009-02-22T00:21:33Z")

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It is funny how Carmine’s link is a refferal link to the site where Carmine makes money from you going there and or making money off you buying into this scam. The website even knows when you revisit the page because it was cached so give you a “special offer”… and a live “virtual agent” that repeats the same answers to the same message like “hi”. Yes, of course there is going to be some truth to what Bob Doyle say… any great scam there is! Be positive and be happy. Eliminate negativity. Beneficial for anyone. Plenty of free sources you can learn about these principles and everything “should be taken with a grain of salt” and stay realistic about it. Realism does not necessarily equal Pessimism.

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**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/105 "2009-02-22T00:22:08Z")

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Spoooky… I’ve been giving some serious thought to LOA over the past couple of weeks, as I’ve been doing a lot of soul searching to try to find how I ended up in the place I am now. I try to avoid anything that comes off as hocus pocus, but at the same time, I’m open-minded enough to consider possibilities.

What I’ve learned is that I really am a negative nelly at times. I tend to dwell on what’s wrong in my life without giving due consideration to what is right. Does this hold me back from greatness? I can’t say. What I can say, though, is that through meditation and mind clearing exercises, I’ve been able to control stress and lean towards the positive. Nothing really hocus pocus about that. It’s psychology at work.

Now if I could only apply the LOA to the lottery, then I’ll be getting somewhere!

-D4

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**Author:** ![castlerock](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/castlerock/32/1503_2.png) [@castlerock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/castlerock)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/106 "2009-02-22T00:24:18Z")

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how come his voice has an echo like he is talking in a chamber ?

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**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/107 "2009-02-22T00:36:12Z")

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> [@data4](#):
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> Now if I could only apply the LOA to the lottery, then I’ll be getting somewhere!

Once you figure this out, please remember your friends at PT. 😉

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/108 "2009-02-22T00:40:13Z")

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Crap, so then how come whenever I put all of my 100% in daydreaming that I will someday be a famous guitarist in a band, never really happened in _reality_? If I remember correctly, this tells you to believe that you _can_ do something, and then the power of the universe will give you that thing in return just for believing that you would someday be that (or do that.)

Well, here I am. Still believing that someday I will be a good guitarist in a band and it still hasn’t happened. Honestly, I don’t believe that the “universe” will grant you wishes. You know how many genuine homeless people there are out there who believe that someday they will get out of poverty but don’t? A LOT!

I say it’s ALL YOU and only you can set your own destiny and truly do something if you try to fix that for _YOURSELF (and make it happen for yourself_.)

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/109 "2009-02-22T03:17:40Z")

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> [@mikotorocks714](#):
>
> Crap, so then how come whenever I put all of my 100% in daydreaming that I will someday be a famous guitarist in a band, never really happened in _reality_? If I remember correctly, this tells you to believe that you _can_ do something, and then the power of the universe will give you that thing in return just for believing that you would someday be that (or do that.)
> 
> Well, here I am. Still believing that someday I will be a good guitarist in a band and it still hasn’t happened. Honestly, I don’t believe that the “universe” will grant you wishes. You know how many genuine homeless people there are out there who believe that someday they will get out of poverty but don’t? A LOT!
> 
> I say it’s ALL YOU and only you can set your own destiny and truly do something if you try to fix that for _YOURSELF (and make it happen for yourself_.)

if its all you and  
only you can set your own destiny (which i agree)  
then what your saying is that you really DONT want to be a famous guitarist.

if it was as easy as making it happen for yourself,  
then everyone who fixed that for themselves would be famous.

then why arent some that work really really hard at playing guitar not getting there?

because no matter how hard you try at anything,  
if you keep thinking the same thoughts,you cannot create a different outcome.

essence of it is:  
you get what your attention is on.  
_attention_.

> [@](#):
>
> Well, here I am. Still believing that someday I will be a good guitarist in a band and it still hasn’t happened.

you cannot _create_ anything while your attention is on _what already IS_.

so then alot of people say,  
“i think positive thoughts _allll_ the time.  
im thinking positive thoughts _right now_!”  
but if anyone,  
_for even only one day_  
actually pays attention to what their thoughts are while driving,  
while working, while having lunch,  
and just  
think for one moment  
about how much “airtime” you give to thoughts you really dont want to make happen vs. thoughts you really wish would happen  
(like thinking about fixing a broken car, paying the bills,oh i dont feel good, someone is mad at me,what are YOU looking at, ect 😃)  
you might actually see a correlation between  
what you are thinking and  
what you are getting.

you know what though?  
even knowing this stuff doesnt mean  
life is perfect afterwards.

i still get pissy over stuff i think should go a different way, and then _more_ pissy stuff happens and i know i need to lighten up so then eventually i do and things get better.

nothing out of the ordinary there 🙂

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/110 "2009-02-22T03:30:13Z")

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> [@Lor](#):
>
> if its all you and  
> only you can set your own destiny (which i agree)  
> then what your saying is that you really DONT want to be a famous guitarist.
> 
> if it was as easy as making it happen for yourself,  
> then everyone who fixed that for themselves would be famous.
> 
> then why arent some that work really really hard at playing guitar not getting there?
> 
> because no matter how hard you try at anything,  
> if you keep thinking the same thoughts,you cannot create a different outcome.
> 
> essence of it is:  
> you get what your attention is on.  
> _attention_.
> 
> you cannot _create_ anything while your attention is on _what already IS_.
> 
> so then alot of people say,  
> “i think positive thoughts _allll_ the time.  
> im thinking positive thoughts _right now_!”  
> but if anyone,  
> _for even only one day_  
> actually pays attention to what their thoughts are while driving,  
> while working, while having lunch,  
> and just  
> think for one moment  
> about how much “airtime” you give to thoughts you really dont want to make happen vs. thoughts you really wish would happen  
> (like thinking about fixing a broken car, paying the bills,oh i dont feel good, someone is mad at me,what are YOU looking at, ect 😃)  
> you might actually see a correlation between  
> what you are thinking and  
> what you are getting.
> 
> you know what though?  
> even knowing this stuff doesnt mean  
> life is perfect afterwards.
> 
> i still get pissy over stuff i think should go a different way, and then _more_ pissy stuff happens and i know i need to lighten up so then eventually i do and things get better.
> 
> nothing out of the ordinary there 🙂

Yeah well, then the baby and the wife came along. Maybe if I was still single and not a parent then things would be different? Now I don’t have the time to practice as much as I used to, so that’s the reason why I personally think it didn’t happen. I call it my destiny, plus I love my son and I would rather give him my full attention. So now this leads to a question; if all that “The Secret” is true then does that mean that God (or the universe) has various destinies for you? That’s the thing that yet remains in the dark. Ah, who knows! My mind is already starting to hurt. 😛

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**Author:** ![Del10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Del10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Del10)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/111 "2009-02-22T03:37:34Z")

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There was a Disney movie about this… Peter Pan - Just think “happy thoughts”!

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/112 "2009-02-22T03:46:02Z")

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> [@Gutwx](#):
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> There was a Disney movie about this… Peter Pan - Just think “happy thoughts”!

(Wendy)But Peter how do we get to Neverland?  
(Peter) Fly of course  
(Wendy) Fly  
(Peter) It’s easy, you think of a wonderful thought  
(Kids) Any happy little thought  
(Peter) Uhh huh  
(Wendy) Like toys at christmas  
(John) Sleigh bells and snow  
(Peter) yep, watch me now here I go  
It’s easier to fly  
(Wendy) He can fly  
(John) He can fly  
(Michael) He flew  
(Peter) Now you try

Brb! I’m going to go out my window and try this!

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/113 "2009-02-22T03:51:20Z")

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> [@](#):
>
> So now this leads to a question; if all that “The Secret” is true then does that mean that God (or the universe) has various destinies for you?

only if you see God (or the universe) as seperate from yourself.

BTW,  
if your going to try flying,  
wth are you going to _try thinking about_ in order to do it???  
😃

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/114 "2009-02-22T03:54:05Z")

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> [@Lor](#):
>
> only if you see God (or the universe) as seperate from yourself.
> 
> BTW,  
> if your going to try flying,  
> wth are you going to _try thinking about_ in order to do it???  
> 😃

No, I have my wings made out of feathers and wax. Now just like Icarus, here I go!

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**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/115 "2009-02-22T03:56:43Z")

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> [@mikotorocks714](#):
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> No, I have my wings made out of feathers and wax. Now just like Icarus, here I go!

im calling _BS_.  
theres no way you got the materials together in that amount of time.  
you only just got the idea from peter pan.

go ahead.  
i wanna see a post when your done.

im calling shenanigans.

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 4:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/116 "2009-02-22T04:01:03Z")

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> [@Lor](#):
>
> im calling _BS_.  
> theres no way you got the materials together in that amount of time.  
> you only just got the idea from peter pan.
> 
> go ahead.  
> i wanna see a post when your done.
> 
> im calling shenanigans.

OK! Don’t be surprise when you turn around and see me there! 😮 Unless I fly to close to the sun! Ack, darn this California weather!

OK, OK so you can call me Mr. Shenanigans then! 😃

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**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/117 "2009-02-22T05:19:37Z")

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People, people… Douglas Adams already solved the flying issue. To do it, one simply needs to throw himself at the ground and miss! 😉

-D4

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/118 "2009-02-22T05:34:46Z")

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> [@data4](#):
>
> People, people… Douglas Adams already solved the flying issue. To do it, one simply needs to throw himself at the ground and miss! 😉
> 
> -D4

Ooo, that would probably feel like when you’re asleep and you feel like you’re going to fall! 🙂

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/119 "2009-02-22T12:54:06Z")

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You can giggle all you want on this subject but its true.

Like attracts like

Positive attracts positive

Negative attracts negative.

You are what you believe you are. Mike your not a famous guitarist, not because “the secret” didn’t work but because your focus on what was positive in your life changed. Your belief changed.

The Law of attraction doesn’t pick lottery numbers for you. It doesn’t make life easy of effortless. It cant make you fly but it made the wright brothers take flight. Its tells you, you cant do anything unless you believe you can do it first. The seed of belief planted and nurtured with positive energy grows into the mighty oak. Its that belief that allows the mind to focus automatically on what needs to be done to achieve that goal. Negative energy and thought kills that seed and never allows it to grow.

The secret and the law of attraction is simply the manipulation of energy. All things are made of energy vibrating at different wave lengths. They are all connected and effect each other.

There are hundreds of examples in everyday life. Take my girlfriend Jen for example. She has this spider plant hanging in her front window her mom gave her. It was a nice hardy plant when she received it but now its half dead and has just been hanging on since she got it which was over a year ago. Small wilting and withering. One day when we were getting ready to head out shopping she says wait I gotta water this stupid fucking plant. She did and then we were chatting and she said to me. I don’t know why but that damn plant just wont grow. I don’t have a green thumb. It was huge at my moms house but here its just puny withering weed. Its embarrassing

I asked her if she wanted to know why and she did of course. I told her because she resented it and didn’t love it. All the plant received was negative energy from her. She snorted at me and just said for gods sake tish its not human. So I told her to try it. Don’t change anything else, not the environment or the amount you water it and just be nice to it. Say nice things to it and believe them. Love it. She did and you know what. That freaking plant is huge. She didn’t change anything except the energy she emitted. To this day it amazes her. The same thing happens when you think negative thoughts about yourself like that plant you wither. If you believe you cant then you cant. If you think your stupid you are but if you believe your smart then you automatically start to learn, then the energy of the universe is yours for the taking

Manipulating energy is that simple and all matter even your own thoughts are made of energy.

Energy is abundant and never ending. Think of how much positive energy it takes to change a humans life. You can do so just by telling them they are loved… The power of a smile, the touch of a hand. Humans, Words, thoughts, actions objects all react to the energy around them.

When you believe it… when you feel it on a level deeper then the conscious mind can go then you can manipulate energy. I didn’t learn any of this from books really although I do like to read them. It was taught to me since birth. All those things they talk about in the secret are just tools just like in the craft to teach you to harness that energy. Like grammy used to tell me. The magick is not in the the words of the spell its in you, harness it and bring that energy through your words and then you will have the magick of the universe in the palm of your hand.

Tisha

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**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 1:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/120 "2009-02-22T13:17:24Z")

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That reminds me… Tish, I need a spell. I want the ability to simply look at a woman, and with a thought, bring her to a leg-jello’ing orgasm. Got anything like that? 😃

-D4

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**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/121 "2009-02-22T15:23:35Z")

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> [@tisha23](#):
>
> You can giggle all you want on this subject but its true.
> 
> Like attracts like
> 
> Positive attracts positive
> 
> Negative attracts negative.
> 
> You are what you believe you are. Mike your not a famous guitarist, not because “the secret” didn’t work but because your focus on what was positive in your life changed. Your belief changed.
> 
> The Law of attraction doesn’t pick lottery numbers for you. It doesn’t make life easy of effortless. It cant make you fly but it make the wright brothers take flight. Its tells you, you cant do anything unless you believe you can do it first. The seed of belief planted and nurtured with positive energy grows into the mighty oak. Its that belief that allows the mind to focus automatically on what needs to be done to achieve that goal. Negative energy and thought kills that seed and never allows it to grow.
> 
> The secret and the law of attraction is simply the manipulation of energy. All things are made of energy vibrating at different wave lengths. They are all connected and effect each other.
> 
> There are hundreds of examples in everyday life. Take my girlfriend Jen for example. She has this spider plant hanging in her front window her mom gave her. It was a nice hardy plant when she received it but now its half dead and has just been hanging on since she got it which was over a year ago. Small wilting and withering. One day when we were getting ready to head out shopping she says wait I gotta water this stupid fucking plant. She did and then we were chatting and she said to me. I don’t know why but that damn plant just wont grow. I don’t have a green thumb. It was huge at my moms house but here its just puny withering weed. Its embarrassing
> 
> I asked her if she wanted to know why and she did of course. I told her because she resented it and didn’t love it. All the plant received was negative energy from her. She snorted at me and just said for gods sake tish its not human. So I told her to try it. Don’t change anything else, not the environment or the amount you water it and just be nice to it. Say nice things to it and believe them. Love it. She did and you know what. That freaking plant is huge. She didn’t change anything except the energy she emitted. To this day it amazes her. The same thing happens when you think negative thoughts about yourself like that plant you wither. If you believe you cant then you cant. If you think your stupid you are but if you believe your smart then you automatically start to learn, then the energy of the universe is yours for the taking
> 
> Manipulating energy is that simple and all matter even your own thoughts are made of energy.
> 
> Energy is abundant and never ending. Think of how much positive energy it takes to change a humans life. You can do so just by telling them they are loved… The power of a smile, the touch of a hand. Humans, Words, thoughts, actions objects all react to the energy around them.
> 
> When you believe it… when you feel it on a level deeper then the conscious mind can go then you can manipulate energy. I didn’t learn any of this from books really although I do like to read them. It was taught to me since birth. All those things they talk about in the secret are just tools just like in the craft to teach you to harness that energy. Like grammy used to tell me. The magick is not in the the words of the spell its in you, harness it and bring that energy through your words and then you will have the magick of the universe in the palm of your hand.
> 
> Tisha

I totally agree on what you said about being positive, and basically just being optimistic to bring out all that good energy. This has been known from the beginning, that you have to be optimistic and in return you will hopefully accomplish what you wanted to accomplish. However, I just think that there’s a limit as to what you can _really_ do or whatnot.

Like for example, say someone is practicing to be a doctor, but no matter how bad this person wants it and how hard he studies if he/she isn’t a good doctor (or meant to be one) it just can’t/won’t happen. That’s pretty much what I’m basically trying to say.

Help yourself and God will help you along the way as some say (depending on your religious believes.) I guess I have just had the “destiny seed” implanted in my head since growing up around those believes, so I guess that’s why I find it hard to believe. However, there is always room for change. I am just so used to the believe that you only have one destiny, and that it is already written. Ah, darn Catholicism! I’ll stop here because I don’t want this to turn into one of those “religious” type of debates (not trying to say that this is what it’s turning into.) I love everyone!.

By the way, to the person who negged me on one of these posts I wanted to say I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to offend anyone by whatever I said, so once again sorry. Friends? 🙂

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [February 23, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-secret-law-of-attraction/3629/122 "2009-02-23T19:43:55Z")

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> [@data4](#):
>
> That reminds me… Tish, I need a spell. I want the ability to simply look at a woman, and with a thought, bring her to a leg-jello’ing orgasm. Got anything like that? 😃
> 
> -D4

Yes I do, But it involves a big axe and a Jason mask. 😃 Actually Data its has been done. Brad Pitt does it all the time but only because he believes he can 😉

> [@](#):
>
> Like for example, say someone is practicing to be a doctor, but no matter how bad this person wants it and how hard he studies if he/she isn’t a good doctor (or meant to be one) it just can’t/won’t happen. That’s pretty much what I’m basically trying to say.

Its a good example but wanting isnt believing. If that seed of doubt is there he can easily sabotage his/herself. Of course there are limits. You cant just believe you can step off the empire state building and fly.

I dont want to get in a religous debate either but my beliefs are not far from yours. People assume Pagans, witches or wiccans dont believe in god. Thats not always true. My mom is Catholic but my grandmother was pagan. I was brought up with a odd mix of both. Your Catholic, they teach you faith, faith is belief. Do you think Jesus could have healed all those people if he didnt believe that he could or if they didnt believe so strongly in him ? It wasnt Jesus alone that performed those miracles it was his faith that did. That faith “belief” came through him. Jesus knew the secret and tried to teach it to everyone else. It was simple “Believe”

By the way did Jesus teach there was just one destiny for you or did the Catholic church teach you that. Nothing against the church, I enter them from time to time with my mother but I tend to go with Jesus 😉

Tisha

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