# The sheer honesty that TAL unleashes in women **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 21, 2010, 8:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780 "2010-10-21T20:17:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 8:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/1 "2010-10-21T20:17:50Z")
Have been probing the full potential of TAL in various mixes… particularly in combination with alpha-nol… started with 60 mu mixed in a tube with other stuff, then doubled that to 120 mu,… so probably 12 mu per squirt… combined with a alpha-nol and p74 rich mix and p126 in as a “liberator”… was quite surprised as the TAL fraction increased how much hidden core information was being surfaced… sides of the personality that were normally disguised, areas of concern that were never discussed, coming to the surface in a way that wasn’t exactly like the TMI geyser that beta-nol can elicit… in _some_ women TAL can reveal unexpected depths, in other women, “the painful shallows”… Tacitus had a long day, a rare 3 bagger, 3 women in one day, each a completely different, completely distinct personality hologram… it was rather like ripping through 3 incarnations of primary being in one 24 hour period… all exceptionally useful as each was seen through the TAL lens… I’d never had the opportunity to assess this most amazonian molecule in such a tightly controlled sequence… one began discussing her most core psychological issues, her adolescence in eastern europe, how her psyche was formed by glasnost and perestroika… like instant liquid psychoanalysis… another came on quite harsh then revealed a remarkably approachable, sensitive inner space, and a third like a glorious sex goddess who exposed herself as arrogant, narrowminded, self satisfied, plastic poseur balogna… I could not have, would not have, 24 hours ago, imagined that it would have been plausible to suggest that one would see three such powerful manifestations of consciousness in this short window of time… TAL I now believe, in the right combinations, CAN be a powerful shamanic tool of psychic divination… as long as you lets it take you where it will…🙄 ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/2 "2010-10-21T21:08:05Z")
Doesn;'t mx297 contain similar to TAL? Adding a lot of -none to TAL might be a good thing 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/3 "2010-10-21T23:38:30Z")
TAL plus androstenone ? That might overdo it… TAL now seems to be deeper stuff than I naively appreciated not all that long ago… however, with this potential for revealing parts of the psyche that have not been fully integrated into the “well socialized self” one would be better advised to allow it to develop in the most comfortable mental space…-none could kick it it confrontation and dominance issues… ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/4 "2010-10-23T00:09:06Z")
I can see, in retrospect, how the openness qualities of alphanol, the confidence of TAL and the exhibitionist qualities of P126 might add up to “instant liquid psychoanalysis”. It could be a powerful tool to understand where a lady is coming from. It’s not clear to me where the P74 comes in. Tacitus, do you believe the P74 is critical to this psychic divination effect? With all that TAL it seems like a pretty feminine mix. I don’t see where the other pheros balance that. A great shamanic tool, yes… But don’t you need some A314 or [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or something, for yourself, in order to maintain a respectable masculine signature? Was that a problem, Tacitus, or were you wearing something more? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/5 "2010-10-23T14:33:53Z")
I tried once with a whopping dose of pure [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)… her hypothalamus probably thought I was a lesbian… the sex was excellent… she was telling me about earlier experiences of psychic integration… how she discovered her humanity for the first time… another time I tried pure A-1/dienone… the girl was instantaneously dropped into a goggle eyed sex trance then… not too psychological… incredibly hot, driven sex… so you can go in many directions and still arrive at a memorable place… ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/6 "2010-10-23T15:25:15Z")
Subbing for the views/thoughts/ideas of the -MONE INTELLECTS! 😉 Warren … you’re up! ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/7 "2010-10-23T23:37:26Z")
Threw in a nice load on androsterone… I consider androsterone the Marmite of [pheromones](https://a314.com/)… adds a nice rich brothy note as a soup base touch… perhaps the Japanese would call it an Umami note… and dropped in for a quick shag with a girl I have a little history with… she has the most “verbal” pussy of almost anyone I’ve hung out with… it doesn’t just squeeze now and then, it actually engages in a lengthy conversations… never had the feeling that someone’s speech centers had been rerouted in quite that way… sprayed the new mix about the room… she wasn’t as phazed in quite the same way with the purer wo-mone mix… less endoderm and more mesoderm… yet absolutely present and her sweet little muffin was talking up a storm… little stresses and comments and philosophical observations… sort of like Chet Baker ballads… ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/8 "2010-10-24T14:27:57Z")
Seriously wondering what Tacitus does for a living. Your sex mixes are ecentric to say the least. I can see that you enjoy sex both for the physical feelings as well as the experience. How do you go about attracting these women? You never seem to discuss that. I’m curious as to whether your planning is strictly tactical or if you have a strategy to luring these women in. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/9 "2010-10-24T14:51:42Z")
tacitus reminds me of the most interesting man in the world, from the dos equis commercials ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/10 "2010-10-24T16:53:25Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > Seriously wondering what Tacitus does for a living. Your sex mixes are ecentric to say the least. I can see that you enjoy sex both for the physical feelings as well as the experience. > > How do you go about attracting these women? You never seem to discuss that. I’m curious as to whether your planning is strictly tactical or if you have a strategy to luring these women in. I don’t waste my time attracting women. _I pay them in cash_, preferable crisp new 100 dollar bills. You would be thunderstruck to know the number of good mothers with two kids who need to make some money on the side. Or college girls. School teachers, grad students at NYU and Columbia University, women majoring in international studies… more than would ever confess… more than our self righteous society would ever tolerate having an honest discussion about… people you would never suspect, people whose own families would never suspect, right under your nose, right under the noses of their churches, their schools… even believe it or not, wealthy women who have a sexual fascination with money… yeah, they fuck for bucks… and the other side of the coin is that more upright gentlemen play the other side too, ministers, the cleanest corporate guys, finance guys, community figures, well dressed, well spoken, well educated… pay up without complaint, put on their game faces and go to work, put on their family faces and go home to their families, put on their Sunday faces and go to their houses of worship… _there is an entire sexual economy roaring like a mighty turbine right under the necessary fictions of how our societies need to envision themselves._.. call it massive hypocrisy, call it coming to terms with human reality, call it the final step in the efficient market hypothesis… the logic of Milton Friedman and Eugene Fama asserting itself into the micro-economy… and the blunt and beautiful truth is that paying for sex quite often makes a hell of a lot more sense then mindlessly chasing tail in some poorly considered relationship that as often as not result in stifling, poorly considered marriages… the logic is inexorable, and as unmentionable in polite society because it is inexorable… 😮 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/11 "2010-10-24T17:06:52Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > I don’t waste my time attracting women. _I pay them in cash_, preferable crisp new 100 dollar bills. You would be thunderstruck to know the number of good mothers with two kids who need to make some money on the side. Or college girls. School teachers, grad students at NYU and Columbia University, women majoring in international studies… more than would ever confess… more than our self righteous society would ever tolerate having an honest discussion about… people you would never suspect, people whose own families would never suspect, right under your nose, right under the noses of their churches, their schools… even believe it or not, wealthy women who have a sexual fascination with money… yeah, they fuck for bucks… and the other side of the coin is that more upright gentlemen play the other side too, ministers, the cleanest corporate guys, finance guys, community figures, well dressed, well spoken, well educated… pay up without complaint, put on their game faces and go to work, put on their family faces and go home to their families, put on their Sunday faces and go to their houses of worship… _there is an entire sexual economy roaring like a mighty turbine right under the necessary fictions of how our societies need to envision themselves._.. call it massive hypocrisy, call it coming to terms with human reality, call it the final step in the efficient market hypothesis… the logic of Milton Friedman and Eugene Fama asserting itself into the micro-economy… and the blunt and beautiful truth is that paying for sex quite often makes a hell of a lot more sense then mindlessly chasing tail in some poorly considered relationship that as often as not result in stifling, poorly considered marriages… the logic is inexorable, and as unmentionable in polite society because it is inexorable… 😮 You know, Tacitus, there are a lot of people that don’t like the truth, so be careful. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2010, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/12 "2010-10-24T17:14:48Z")
Yeah, I’ve learned that… especially when you’re talking to people who have a lot to lose by acknowledging the truth… like the guy who used to work downstairs from me, Eliot Spitzer… can you imagine ?, they actually made a movie about him, Client 9, and you can pay $13 dollars to vicariously participate in his personal psychodrama… Eliot did it all wrong, he was naive, he didn’t know how the game worked, so he overpaid, grossly overpaid, and put himself in an easily exposed position… put simply, he didn’t know the ropes, he got played… ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 2:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/13 "2010-10-26T02:20:31Z")
Hmmm… What about the thrill of the chase? The recognition of attraction? The conquer? It seems that you are solely interested in the final act. Are you able to reproduce the atmosphere and sexual tension using just pheromones? ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/14 "2010-10-26T03:35:39Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > Hmmm… What about the thrill of the chase? The recognition of attraction? The conquer? It seems that you are solely interested in the final act. Are you able to reproduce the atmosphere and sexual tension using just pheromones? I know your trying to be the investigator and that is a good quality to have but honestly I think you should give the guy a break. Rarely is anything ever explained to a absolute T by most users and seeing his writing style I don’t know why anyone would persist so fervently in the case. I’m not trying to be defensive or insulting cause I know its become your “thing” to poke around in this manner when people report. I wouldn’t know from experience since I dont think I could ever let myself pay for a women’s “services” no matter what kind they are but I dont see why paying a women would hinder the effects pheromones can/will induce on the situation. Certain aspects would be skewed but just b/c you hired her doesn’t mean she has to show passion, vigor, enthusiasm, or any plethora of qualities that go along with having sex whether positive or negative. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/15 "2010-10-26T12:39:16Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > I know your trying to be the investigator and that is a good quality to have but honestly I think you should give the guy a break. Rarely is anything ever explained to a absolute T by most users and seeing his writing style I don’t know why anyone would persist so fervently in the case. > > I’m not trying to be defensive or insulting cause I know its become your “thing” to poke around in this manner when people report. I wouldn’t know from experience since I dont think I could ever let myself pay for a women’s “services” no matter what kind they are but I dont see why paying a women would hinder the effects pheromones can/will induce on the situation. Certain aspects would be skewed but just b/c you hired her doesn’t mean she has to show passion, vigor, enthusiasm, or any plethora of qualities that go along with having sex whether positive or negative. … Well certainly I’m not trying to harass anyone. Tacitus intrigues me. His writing style peaks my level of interest. It’s exciting to try and understand his thinking. My main interest in life is understanding people, their thinking processes, their rational and motivation. Add to the fact that most of the post on here are about creating attraction, while Tacitus skips that step all together and maybe even comfort as well. That makes his post even more unique and rare. My question about the mone use to build tension is simple. It sounds like he is able to build the same level of sexual tension and even gratification in a matter of hours that some people on this site have never been able to create in their entire lifetime. I personally have to go through a sequence of events to “prepare” my wife for sex almost every time. And the sequence is never the same. I personally like the challenge, but some days I just want to be able to flip her switch. If Tacitus or others here understand how this works, then I’m not going to spend years trying to discover it when I can ask questions. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/16 "2010-10-26T16:06:52Z")
Simple answer: been there, done that… the whole conquest fantasy is part and parcel of a cultural hallucination that is **HEAVILY** marketed for the pure and simple reason that there is a high economic payoff across multiple industries; restaurants, jewelers, hoteliers, romantic vacation packagers, cruise ship operators, movie producers, trashy novel publishers, perfumers, men’s magazines, women’s magazines, teen magazines, apparel industries, furriers, watchmakers, lawyers and more lawyers, PUA seminars, how to get and keep a man DVD programs, The Secret™, sports car manufacturers… that are all utterly invested in manufacturing and promoting **a very expensive model of romance…** the pathetic joke is that these collective industries **require sexual frustration** and romantic dissatisfaction as a prime driver in order to generate demand for their products… **that is the real reason commercial sexual transactions are illegal.** … they short circuit a wide array of marketing schemes (that have risen to the level of ideologies) that have managed to place hypnotic implants in millions of brains about romance-heuristics, like the one where you “ought” to pay two months salary for a diamond… well WTF do you have to have a diamond to “prove” your level of commitment ? In the 19th century, most people never thought of diamonds as a necessary factor, diamonds were high priced rocks for the upper class to play with as baubles, not evidence of love… until DeBeers spent a freaking fortune over several generations forming this connection in the public mind… your sexual drives have been harnessed by a sophisticated marketing apparatus to get you to do stuff, think stuff, buy stuff, and live out your life along pre-established blueprints that you might never have allowed yourself to be railroaded into if you were thinking half straight… ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 5:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/17 "2010-10-26T17:20:04Z")
Well my romantic side certainly took a huge hit with that one. Gladly enough I’m a romantic with a realist side to me so I can definitely handle and understand the whole “Not only is Mothers day and Valentine’s day a scam but in fact the whole vortex of romantic semantics is merely a intellectual insemination prodded over centuries of our existence as humans.” Its been discussed in my classes before and honestly it is something to think about. Not only do we spend a monotonous amount of dough on a formal wedding but we also have to spend another small fortune on a ring to I guess indoctrinate her as our wife and mark her as “taken”. The only thing I would want to know is who started it all. Who was the idealist/dreamer that brought romance into a light where it superseded the mating ritual of humans. Was it even a guy? Or was it perhaps a woman as it seems they so long ago invented “Chivalry” as well? The last bit is rhetorical as I dont think anyone can really give me a clear answer for it. But who knows I’ve been surprised before. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2010, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/18 "2010-10-26T18:06:52Z")
well, this much I’ve learned… assuming you approach it with a Christian attitude (meaning the ethos of it all, not the ceremonials), you can have as meaningful and transformative an experience with an escort as you can with a lovey-dovey hook up… primarily because I’ve been exposed to hundreds of personalities and mind sets and patterns of communication, my capacity to interact with “civvie” women has improved by about 10,000% over the last decade… because I’ve been exposed to so many mood shifts, nuances, changes of beat the female mind is far less of a mystery to me, vastly less, than when I was in my lust driven, brainless, marketing framework shaped 20s… I didn’t begin to realize how much behavior and belief was shaped by cultural expectation… and quite often, cultural cliches… I’d be with my college age cutie and we’d be struggling with our confused, stumbling communication and didn’t understand exactly what we wanted from each other or even really how we could best enjoy the opportunity that the relationship presented to us…and I was half awake then, but I seem to recall so many other of my contemporaries also wrestling with how much of their authentic would have to be sacrificed for social predictability… like people had been handed out scripts for “boyfriend” and “girlfriend” and everything sort of had its’ predictable soap operatic sequence… but this was way back when in Texas where you were expected to take football, Jesus, and the US Marines as basic factors of existence… and heaven help you if you were a closeted gay man who had to go through the motions of a good marriage to fit into the business culture… ---
**Author:** ![giants52000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/958977/32.png) [@giants52000](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/giants52000)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/19 "2010-10-27T02:32:36Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > **.** the pathetic joke is that these collective industries **require sexual frustration** and romantic dissatisfaction as a prime driver in order to generate demand for their products… **that is the real reason commercial sexual transactions are illegal.** … Tacitus, you just blew my fucking mind. Ever watch Mad Men? It’s about ad-men in the 1960s - you might like it even though I think I once read you don’t watch TV. Regarding the above quote, how does one avoid or minimize the damage caused by these “collective industries” and find / maintain love with that one special someone? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2010, 6:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780/20 "2010-10-27T06:16:41Z")
(1) Stop watching TV. (2) Getting divorced along the way couldn’t hurt. (3) Get over the notion of “love with that one special someone”. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-sheer-honesty-that-tal-unleashes-in-women/42780.md?page=2)