# TheAttractor's Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [February 3, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678 "2009-02-03T00:59:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/21 "2015-05-14T15:06:24Z")
**P131 Solo Test: Hits in a Zumba Class** Last night, I went to a Zumba class at my gym. (Good way to get my cardio in _and_ practice low-level flirting.) Before heading out, I put this on. P131: 1 spray on forehead @ 5 mcg/spray There were quite a few people in the class. As I said hello to the regulars and did my exercises, I noticed these two hits. **Self** Demographic: _32, Caucasian_ It made me feel like I had trouble breathing at first, but the feeling was mild and went away in 10 minutes. I didn’t feel more relaxed or focused, like others pointed out in their reports. The only thing that felt different was slower time passing: the 20-minute drive to the gym felt like 40 minutes. **Older lady** Demographic: _mid to late 40’s, Caucasian_ She’s been a regular in the class long before I started. We have some similar interests, but we’re not really each other’s type. We joke a lot, and I once showed her the weightlifting exercises I do on non-Zumba days, but our interactions are usually limited to talking. However, when she greeted me, she grabbed my hand, with her palm on the back of my hand, and squeezed it gently. She also smiled a little more than usual. Then she took her spot in another end of the classroom, since she doesn’t like being near the speaker. I stayed where I was, to avoid acting clingy. **Young girl** Demographic: _mid 20’s, Latina_ She’s another regular in the class, and quite attractive. She was standing one spot to my right. I observed in the past how she acts with other people. She’s not mean-spirited—far from it. But she does act a bit distant and emotionally dry with guys she’s not interested in. The P131 gave me a small confidence boost, so between Zumba songs, I tried talking to her and made playful verbal jabs, too mild to be neg hits, but nothing approval-seeking. This time, she smiled at my comments, and when she couldn’t hear me, she leaned in toward me. That’s when I noticed she was looking me right in the eyes, and had a DIHL expression. We parted ways with a “Nice workout! Have a good night.” **Concluding thoughts** I like P131. The hits I got from it were awesome. It produces what I call “work-safe flirting”. That is, the kind of flirting that could fly under HR’s radar if it happened at work, but better than just politeness. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 4:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/22 "2015-05-15T04:03:48Z")
Nice report. So I haven’t heard of putting pheros on forehead I might just try it. Do you use this spot a lot? ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/23 "2015-05-25T17:10:16Z")
**Hits on a Karaoke Night with MX297** Last night, I went out to a karaoke night at a bar with a group of people. I got there around 10:00 PM. There were about 10 people, with an almost-even gender ratio. I sprayed on pheromones before heading out. The hits I got were kind of subtle. People seemed to more willing to fulfill my requests and had a much easier being heard than usual, but nothing blatant like before. My reports until now were largely Ammo-centric, so this was my first time trying something different. Here is what I wore. MX297: 2 sprays, on the neck [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/): trace amount on upper lip (for self effects) This thread kind of picks up where another one, [What’s a better karaoke pheromone? MX297 or MX353?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-a-better-karaoke-pheromone-mx297-or-mx353/64388), left off. But you don’t have to read the previous thread to understand this one. **Self** The IG gave me somewhat of a warm, relaxed feeling, but didn’t make me feel pumped up and energetic. Neither did MX297. Maybe because it was after I spent half the day at a local swimming pool in the sun, with only a short rain break, then overate at a buffet restaurant in late afternoon. Not to mention I got overcome with insomnia the night before Also, during my time in the bar, I had difficulty following the lyrics when it was my turn to sing. Whether I made a wrong song choice, or whether the pheromones scrambled my brain due to self-effects, I don’t know. Although I still got the applause and the high-fives, it just seems like I didn’t do as well as in the past. **My group** This is where the hits were the most noticeable. Both guys and girls seemed like to listen to me more, like agreeing to watch my beer while I went to the restroom. I even added to the effect but being unusually authoritative: namely, by saying “Excuse me, be right back. Watch my beer.” And all guys near me were immediately agreeing to do so. Girls seemed to smile more. And everyone had no trouble hearing me, even people sitting at the other end of a long table. Usually, if I’m in a noisy bar, getting someone even two seats away to hear me is like pulling teeth. **Bar employees** It was just two people working that night. Since I’m a regular there, they treated me accordingly. The guy recognized me, gave me quick service, and asked “how have you been?”. The girl seemed more bubbly than usual, smiled an awful lot, and even leaned in toward me when taking my drink orders. She was also addressing me as “hon”, but she might be from the South, where that’s just a friendly way to interact. **Two girls at the bar** Demographics: _both Caucasian, mid 20’s_ There were two girls sitting at the bar, while I was waiting for my drink. They sat close enough to talk. This was during my perkier moments, so I tried to make conversation with them. I even thought about inviting them to be my backup dancers when it was my turn to sing. The conversation went well at first; they were smiling and laughing at my jokes. But then I hit a proverbial brick wall for some reason. I saw them leave the bar a bit later. Perhaps they were miffed that guys weren’t talking to them. They were a bit on the heavy side, but their faces were cute and they seemed really nice. **Other people** Demographics: _mostly Caucasian, 20’s to 40’s_ Guys in the bar seemed unusually apologetic when they bumped into me, kind of like “man, I’m so sorry”, rather than “sorry, man”. Girls smiled a bit more than normal when I had passing conversations with them. That’s all I really noticed. **Closing comments** The MX297 was a bit of a let-down. Maybe I set my expectations too high. Maybe the bar was too empty for it to have proper effects. Maybe I was so worn out from swimming in the sun all day, that I just wasn’t in the zone even if I wanted to be. Either way, I got some benefits from it, but not really what I was expecting. **Lessons learned** I suppose I should have used MX297 on a busier, more active night, and/or added TUTH to the mix (which I don’t own right now). Or just saved for a day when I did not go swimming beforehand. I also should have foreseen the brick wall with the two girls at the bar, and maybe invited them to join my group; I’m sure they’d have been more than welcomed. This way, if I couldn’t sustain a conversation myself, I’d still enjoy their company, and possibly get both of their phone numbers. That, or just stick to the tried-and-true Ammo-centric mixes, which worked wonders in the past. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 12:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/24 "2015-06-03T12:42:23Z")
**Confusing hits on a first date. ??? Please advise.** On Monday night, I went on a date with a girl I met online. We met very quickly; the time between the first message I sent and her standing in front of me was just four days. There were no bumps along the way or last-minute postponements. At the same time, the hits I got were very confusing. It’s why I waited a day to integrate all this properly before posting a report. This lady is 33, Caucasian. I wore the following. I originally wanted to wear more MX353, but decided to stick with 1 spray, to avoid possible ghosting or OD’ing. Here it is: MX353: 1 spray on front of neck Instant Honesty: 1 spray on forehead [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/): 1 spray on forehead Cover scent: Lacoste cologne, 2 sprays **Self effects** I found myself rambling a bit here or there, on date-appropriate topics only. (Except one instance; see below.) I was also more forward with my physical affections than usual on a typical first date. **Hits from venue employees** Nothing I noticed. **Inside Caribou Coffee** She waited outside the coffee shop, and greeted me with a hug. It’s a greeting I adopted for myself on all first dates, because it achieves a critical task: breaking the touch barrier. We ordered our drinks, and sat down. We talked about the usual date topics, and the conversations flowed very smoothly. At one point, I decided to start escalating things, and put my hand on hers. She smiled, turned her hand upwards, and gently squeezed my hand. “Touchdown! MX353 in action,” I thought. **Walking around the mall: before** She affectionate and touchy-feely, and showed no negative reactions when I did things like put my arm around her and hold her hand. Even better: she responded in kind, pressing into me or squeezing my hand each time. As we walked around, we stopped at a candy store, and bought some chocolate-covered gummy bears. The mall was quite empty that night. We sat down side-by-side in a booth in a deserted food court. As we talked, there was _that pause_ where the only right course of action is to go for a kiss. So I did. **Walking around the mall: after** She did not allow the kiss, effectively turning it into a peck. Right after, she started talking at length about what she’s looking in online dating, the guys she’s met previously, and how she slept with one of them on the first date. This isn’t an IH _hit_; it’s an IH _knockout_! In an attempt to push back when pushed, in a way, I mentioned a one-night stand I had, and even changed a few details to make it sound more exciting. Toward the end of the date, she seems to have calmed down, as was as affectionate as earlier, but a bit of low-level awkwardness persisted. As we parted ways, said she wants to see me again, and was practically trying to sell me the idea (by saying how she’s free most nights and likes getting together with people, and I can call her anytime), but I’m wondering if she meant as a friend. To be safe, I’ll do the three-day rule before calling/texting, even though it’s not universal anymore. **The aftermath** Whoa! This has got to be the most confusing date I’ve had in years. All I’m feeling toward this girl now is a mix of annoyed and confused. I don’t know if I even want to see her again. (Although the possibility of sex makes it worthwhile.) Her signals were so mixed, they were blending together. On one hand, she was enjoying me touching her everywhere non-sexual, and even responded in kind. On the other hand, she refused the kiss _and_ talked about other dudes she’s been with (a MAJOR date etiquette breach). **Conclusion** I’m trying to figure out the following. 1. Was her rambling about other guys a counter-reaction to the potential chemistry she felt and got shocked by? Or was it IH talking? 2. Was her rambling about other guys a sh\*t test? Did I pass it or fail it? 3. Until the rambling, she seemed like a cool girl. Any potential here? Or should I beat her to the punch by telling her I didn’t feel a connection? 4. Was her behavior toward the end an attempt at damage control on her part? 5. If I see her again (unlikely), what pheromones should I wear? On the plus side, I’m going to a salsa night with my sports group this weekend. Another girl I like will be there. I know her in person, and flirted with her a few times. She’s 24, Latina. She’s shown some low-level IOI’s. I’m planning to use MX353 on her instead. And maybe lay off IH. If all goes well, a report is in order. ---
**Author:** ![pudleduk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pudleduk/32/2302_2.png) [@pudleduk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pudleduk)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/25 "2015-06-03T20:21:20Z")
Hi TheAttractor, I’d interpret this date a little differently. It appears all went well until the kiss. At this moment, she may have had visions of how a previous online date went too fast, and she was pulling back not from you necessarily, but from that previous too-fast-guy. She is likely falling head-over heals for you, especially with the mones, and she mentally put the breaks on, for fear of moving too fast again. All the rambling thoughts that followed seem to be her trying to explain her hesitation away, and while she was stuck in those runaway thoughts in her head, she also was trying to no let on to this and completely ruin the date. Personally, i think she is into you, so don’t do anything to cast her away just yet. I would say that you should stick to the same mix and game for the next date, and I suspect she won’t hold back for the next one. pudleduk ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/26 "2015-06-07T18:17:22Z")
**Incredibly fun hits with MX353 at a salsa dance night** I touched on this night briefly in my previous thread: [Confusing hits on a first date. ??? Please advise.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/confusing-hits-on-a-first-date-please-advise/64445). Well, the salsa night came, and the cute Latina girl I had my eyes on didn’t show up. No big deal. Seven people did show up. We met by the entrance, and proceeded inside. That’s where we found out that 90% of people there were at least 50. The dance studio was located next door from a 55+ condo complex, so no surprise there. When our group saw the studio, four people bailed immediately, leaving just three: me, a girl in her late 20’s, and a guy of similar age. The salsa instructor called everyone to gather around, and the lesson began. I was wearing the following: MX353: 2 sprays, 1 on each wrist [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/): 1 spray on neck P131: 1 spray on neck MX297: 1/2 spray, inside nose (for self effects) Cover scent: Lacoste cologne These are the hits that transpired. On the whole, I have to say they were FUN hits, rather than SEXUAL hits. **Self** I was acting more assertive with guys, and more flirty with girls. Other than that, very similar to the kind of person I’d like to be when out in public. **The guy** Demographics: _Caucasian, late 20’s_ He seemed to act unusually deferential, albeit in a dignified manner, toward me. For example, he went along with my suggestions to sit at a specific table, and honestly answered by questions when I subtly tried to find out if the girl in the group was single. (She was.) He also showed no resistance when I flat-out refused to drive to a bar at a later point; my logic was that driving to bar kills the point of going there. We walked to a different bar, not as nice, but closer. Me and him still had good conversations, and he complimented me on doing a good job dancing with other people. **The girl** Demographics: _Caucasian, late 20’s_ This girl seemed to have adopted a “damsel in distress”-like behavior. She talked in a high-pitched voice, showed no resistance when we took goofy selfies together (although she took them with the guy too), danced very closely with me, and totally let me pull her into a dip at the end of a song. The last two are debatable in terms of being hits; she said she does a lot of swing dancing (although salsa was new to her), and experienced dancers often have an inordinately high comfort level with body proximity. At the end, she hugged me like I was a long-lost friend: not sexual at all, but nothing like that A-frame “I don’t really like him” hug, either. **Fellow dancers** Demographics: _mixed, late 20’s to late 60’s, mostly older_ The instructor had people rotate partners every five minutes, giving me plenty of opportunities to test out the hits. This is where things got really polarized. The nicest hits came from Southeast Asian women. They smiled, asked me “get to know you” questions, and even if I stumbled through a move I didn’t know, they were very nice about getting me back on track. Slavic/Eastern European women produced the worst hits. They did not smile, tried to backlead (that means doing their own moves instead of following my lead, good or bad; it’s a dance etiquette breach), and even acted snippy if I stumbled. Caucasian American women, including the only 20-something girl outside my group, were in between these extremes. **Bar employees** Demographics: _female bartender: Caucasian, early 30’s_ Demographics: _male manager: Caucasian, early 40’s_ The studio did not have a bar, so at one point, the three of us decided to walk to a dive bar one block over to load up a little. (The group originally wanted to drive somewhere else, but I refused.) The bartender, although a totally sweet girl, had a major DIHL when I asked her for an obscure whisky brand. She even called her manager, who was equally friendly, but equally confused as well. I settled on Johnnie Walker. We drank more shots, thanked the workers, and walked back. **Instance of aggression** Demographics: _Caucasian, about 55_ At one point, I accidentally sat in someone’s chair. When the original person returned, he practically went off on me, saying his wife was sitting there. I said “hey, I’m sorry” in a tone that was supposed to be a mix of an apology and standing my ground, before moving to another chair. But his tone of voice was clearly an androstenone-triggered aggression. **Closing thoughts** I’m having so much fun with MX353. I like it a lot better than MX297, which has been giving me mostly no-hitters. I’ve used MX353 in another dance class before, and it was a boundary eraser. Women danced chest-to-chest with me like it was nothing. I had similar hits this weekend. But I wonder about one thing: Why such polarized effects with the dancers? That, and any other thoughts you wish to share. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/27 "2015-06-22T16:18:09Z")
**Hard-hitting weekend with MX297 + P131** I have another report on MX297. It’s been giving me lots of no-hitters lately, but this past weekend changed all that. I got very in-your-face hits from it, albeit non-sexual ones. So here’s the report. **FRIDAY: At a piano bar.** Products worn: - MX297: 2 sprays, 1 on each side of neck - P131: 1 spray on forehead Hits demographics: - Waitress: _mid 50’s, Caucasian_ It started out kind of slow. The bar we planned to go to was deserted that night for some reason. So my friend suggested going to a piano bar. I didn’t like the idea at first, but he talked me into it. After 10 minutes there, I was pleasantly surprised. It had none of a date-like vibe that I imagined it to have. It had a free-for-all but friendly feel I once found in a piano bar on a cruise ship. The songs being sung were your classics like “Sweet Caroline” and “Copacabana”. The bar served food. I had a beer and a panini, which was incredibly good. That’s when I noticed the waitress acting _really_ handsy with me. She was touching me on the shoulders, on the arms (I wore a T-shirt), and on the upper back, pretty much every time she came to the table. She also broke into laughter every time I made a funny comment, and complimented me on my choices. At the same time, she was strictly verbal with my friend, although she still gave him equally friendly service. He looked confused by her behavior; I jokingly explained that she was a cougar looking for her cub. **SATURDAY: At a karaoke bar.** Products worn: - MX297: 3 sprays on front of neck - P131: 1 spray on forehead Hits demographics: - My group: _20’s thru 30’s, Caucasian_ - Male bar patrons: _30’s and 40’s, mostly Caucasian_ - Female bar patrons: _30’s and 40’s, mostly Caucasian_ I met with a group of friends, and we went to a karaoke bar together. Again, the night started out really slow, then picked up speed hard and fast. We took turns going onstage, but mostly hung out at the table. At times, they’d tell me to go ask someone to dance, but it was never something set up to embarrass me. (As was the case in my early 20’s.) And when I refused and explained why, they never pushed back. The group even seemed to look up to me a little bit. We had bits of dialog like this: “You should go sing. I think you’ll do really well.” “Sure, why not. How do you know?” “You’re just in the zone tonight.” “How so?” “I don’t know. Something in your eyes says ‘in the zone’.” For other bar patrons, the hits were gender-polarized. Each time I sang, men treated me like a god. They gushed out compliments, and gave me hearty high-fives and bro hugs (handshake with a mutual slap on the back). That was true even for alpha male-looking guys who were bigger than me. Women’s hits were more reserved, consisting mostly of smiles and “good job!”. The friendliest ones, ironically, came from the above-mentioned men’s girlfriends. One woman took me by my elbow and put her hand on my shoulder while teaching me the wobble (a line dance). Her boyfriend, a big guy, not only didn’t step in, but complimented me learning quickly. (I already knew the dance; I pretended to have picked it up that night.) **CLOSING THOUGHTS** Yup, they were hits, all right. And similar to other MX297 reports I read on here. Perhaps I was wearing them in wrong environments previously (too quiet, for example). I can only imagine the places I’d go if I wore MX353 on the karaoke night; or maybe the pheromones were fine they way they were. Go ahead and share your thoughts as well. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/28 "2015-07-24T15:48:24Z")
**Hits in a strip club were totally unbalanced. Why? (MX353 + MX297 + P131)** This Wednesday, I went to a strip club. Well, more like got dragged there by two of my friends. I broke a 16-month dry spell recently, and I’m still at the tail end of the high. So a strip club felt laughably redundant. Not to mention I hate the notion of paying to be teased. (Of course, paying to _not_ be teased is illegal in the US, and that’s whole other discussion topic.) But the strip club had free bar food and cheap drinks, so I said “eh, screw it!” and agreed to come along. Like any other red-blooded pheromone user, I saw it as a perfect opportunity to phero-bomb the girls working there and see how they react. I picked the application points strategically. Since most dancers press guys’ heads into their cleavage, or stand directly in front, my pheromones should hit them right in their nose. I used the following: MX353 - 3 sprays on front of neck MX297 - 2 sprays on sides of neck, 1 each P131 - 2 sprays on temples, 1 each The resulting hits were… interesting. I got highly unbalanced reactions from different types of employees in the strip club, even though their jobs weren’t dramatically different. So here are my findings. **Self** Nothing I really noticed. **Friends** _Demographics: early 30’s, Caucasian (both of them)_ I think the -none in MX353 caused mild aggression in them, and MX297 didn’t buffer it at all. They started poking fun at me, and making stupid jokes, followed by laughing in unison. I did my best to treat their actions as a harmless nuisance, and react accordingly. That was mostly in the car. Inside they club, they were too focused on the dancers to worry about challenging my -none vibe. **Bouncer** _Demographics: early 30’s, African American_ He broke into a smile the second he saw me, and acted very friendly and even complimentary with me. In my experience, it’s quite uncommon to see a strip club bouncer acting like that. He even suggested good seats. I joked back in a friendly way, handed him the cover charge, and went inside. **Dancers** _Demographics: early 20’s to late 20’s, all ethnicities_ Since I got dragged to the strip club against my will, and don’t even like the idea of lap dances (unless my girlfriend gives me one), I just sat at my seat, and enjoyed the beers and the free food. The dancers were totally ghosting me. A smile is the most I’d get. Don’t get me wrong. I smiled. I was polite to them, like saying “excuse me” when trying to get past them. But for the most part, I was reacting to them the way most adults react to pigeons on city streets. Pretty much, ghosting them back. Only one dancer approached me specifically, and she was onstage when I sat there to get closer look at her (and tipped, obviously). I ended up politely declining the private dance. She’s the one who asked me: “What’s that cologne?” I told her it was an experimental product I can’t disclose, that I got as part of a research study. My non-pheromone-wearing friends, by contrast, were getting jumped on constantly. Each of them bought at least one dance. They knew I broke my dry spell, and laughed slightly at my lack of reaction to the dancers. **Shots girls** _Demographics: early 20’s, mostly Caucasian_ They were the total opposite of the dancers. The shots girls were targeting me constantly, even noticeably more than my friends. While selling their shots, they’d get really physical with me, by rubbing my arms, touching my back, side-hugging me, etc. My friends just got a hand on the shoulder with most of them. The shots girls seemed to have sweeter, more bubbly personalities than the dancers. I’m well aware it all could have been an act, but hey. The only reason I gave them a mild ghost treatment (like not making eye contact when they walked by), is because those shots are always weak, and I didn’t want to keep turning down girl after girl. No, actually, I did buy a shot once, from a girl who was rubbing her hair against me, and side-hugged me nicely enough to suspend disbelief that it was just hustling on her part. Or hopefully, actual P131 hits. I think I liked the shots girls better than the dancers. I felt like I had more leeway to flirt with them, mostly verbally, but also physically to a small extent. Or maybe because I like shots but don’t like lap dances. **Questions** The divide between the dancers and the shots girls was quite interesting. I wonder what caused it. Feel free to comment on anything you wish, but I have the following questions in particular. 1. Why did my friends react somewhat aggressively to the androstenone on me, while the bouncer (a job requiring some aggression by default) was very respectful? What stopped him from acting like a stereotypical bouncer? 2. Did the dancers somehow tell from my body language that I got laid recently, and would therefore be really difficult to sell a dance to? Are they seeking out guys who have not been recently laid? 3. Were the shots girl more bubbly by nature of their job, or were they responding better to me because I was responding better to them? Were my pheromones having any influence on their actions? 4. Counting only job-related reasons, why were the shots girls more personable than the dancers? After all, they’re only selling drinks, while the dancers are supposed to sell an illusion of intimacy. 5. How come my non-pheromone-wearing friends were getting reactions opposite of mine: strong attention from dancers, and only low-level flirting from shots girls? One meets girls easily; the other does not. **Future suggestions** I’m still not too keen on the tease factor of strip clubs, but those shots girls were just adorable. So I’m no longer opposed to going back to this particular club just to joke around and flirt with them. (And the free food, of course.) I’ll buy a shot or two, as not to be a time-waster. What pheromones would you recommend getting for that purpose? ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/29 "2015-09-07T18:25:37Z")
**Fun, fun, fun with P131! (and MX297 too)** This weekend, I went to a country line dancing club with a large group, about 30 people in total. Here’s what I put on. And what transpired. MX297: 3 sprays on neck P131: 2 sprays on forehead @ 5 mcg/spray Cover scent: Lacoste cologne **Self effects:** Normal/flat right before putting them on. Blah and listless for the first 30 minutes or so. Then, very suddenly, becoming pumped-up and energized, like that song lyric “I got a feeling that tonight’s gonna be a good night”. **General reactions:** Wow! It all felt incredibly fun. If you’ve read “Brave New World” and how it describes the soma drug, that’s pretty much what I was feeling. (Combined with alcohol to help things along.) Everyone in my group I talked to, even people who haven’t met me before, was very warm and friendly toward me. I had many great conversations, both with people I knew and those I didn’t. **Specific reactions:** One girl, who wasn’t even single, acted inordinately affectionate, like putting her arm around my waist and her head on my shoulder, when she talked to me. There was loud music, but simply leaning in would have sufficed. (I responded in kind to an extent, albeit showing restraint.) Her boyfriend not only didn’t step in, but talked to me as an equal, and he looked like an alpha guy. **More general reactions:** Later in the night, when country music switched to top 40, things became even more fun. A group of 8 people, including myself, started a jam circle, that we got really into. I got rounds of applause when I went in. The circle quickly swelled up, and in a short time, expanded to take up most of the dance floor. It lasted for 10 minutes or so, then dispersed. **Concluding thoughts:** Now, the questions. I take it my experience with MX297 and P131 is pretty normal. While I didn’t turn into a life of the party, nobody showed a trace of aggression toward me the whole night. - Does a fun persona moderate the aggression, IShine-stye? - How common is it for this pheromone mix to be this much fun? - Was it just the pheromones, just alcohol, or a combination of both? - Why the blahs and listlessness before the pheromones fully took effect? ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/30 "2015-09-14T19:40:01Z")
Now that sounds like my kind of mix.. I’d imagine that would be great for meeting new people/pick up. You clearly garnered some sort of sexual response without enone and therefore avoided any male aggression that comes with it. pair it with your own advances and you would do dandy. ---
**Author:** ![Lillian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillian/32/1269_2.png) [@Lillian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillian)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/31 "2015-09-15T01:52:17Z")
“Me likey” subscribed 😃 ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/32 "2015-10-09T10:03:28Z")
Wow I am impressed about the girls BF not being pissed. Most guys including myself would have lost it. ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2015, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/33 "2015-10-09T13:02:20Z")
I wonder how similar p131 is to p130, and other consecutively named putatives, alas I lost my p131 sample. Sometimes it feels like your deciphering a gene pool. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/34 "2015-12-14T21:19:15Z")
**P122 report: Kicked in hard and fast, but a sharp drop-off at the end. Is it normal?** A week ago while cleaning out my medicine cabinet, I found stray bottle of P122. I used it before, then abandoned it, because of its effects. It made me get mesmerized by the color green. And on top of that, it gave me severe anxiety. I tossed in it the back of the cabinet, and forgot about it. But when I found it while cleaning, I decided to give it another chance. I was going to a karaoke night with a group, so I figured “why not?”. This is what happened. P122: 3 sprays on the neck No cover scent **Self** Demographic: _32, Caucasian_ No anxiety whatsoever! The only difference I noticed is that I had sharper, quicker reflexes while driving. Things like honking harder when someone cut me off, and changing lanes on a busy highway without difficulty. **Young girl: the hard and fast** Demographic: _early 20’s, Caucasian_ She was the one that gave me the hardest hits. When I arrived at the bar, found my group, and had some liquid courage, I went onstage to sing. I must have done really well, because everybody in the bar applauded. This girl suddenly comes up to me, and says she wants to do a duet together. While we’re picking a song out of the songbook, she’s standing very close, enough to bump hips. We pick “Vivir mi vida” by Mark Anthony. Then comes turn to sing. During the word parts, she gets very cuddly with me, with arms wrapped around each other’s the waist and heads touching. Then during music breaks, I pull her into the closed position, and we do the salsa basic step together, while pressed almost close enough for chests to touch. Then, to add to the raunchy factor, she periodically interjects the song lyrics with a mildly insulting statement directed at me. I insult her right back, course. We finish off by taking a bow while holding hands, like actors in a theater. Even the DJ looked a little bit surprised at the performance. Most people would say “She wants you!”, but my past experiences were different. I’ve had women dance with me just like this (out of comfort with my dancing level or body proximity in general), only to refuse to go farther when I attempted to escalate. Also, she seemed a bit too wild for me, so I don’t know how she’d be as a date. But as a karaoke duet partner, she’s totally awesome! Not to mention incredibly attractive, both face and body. **Young girl: the drop-off** Demographic: _early 20’s, Caucasian_ Throughout the rest of the night, we engaged in periodic flirting, banter, and frequent cuddliness and touching. But toward the end, either when my P122 wore off or when she got tired, her behavior suddenly changed. It became emotionally flat. Any flirty banter seemed to have suddenly stopped. I also noticed she came with a guy. But I think he was just a friend, since they never kissed, hugged, or held hands the entire night. Not to mention he didn’t lift a finger when me and the girl were getting raunchy onstage. They ended up leaving together before I asked for her phone number. Bummer! **Young girl’s friend** Demographic: _mid 20’s, Caucasian_ She seemed very sweet and friendly, although her attitude toward me was just that: friendly. I touched her on the arm a little bit while talking to her, and she reciprocated. She also showed zero discomfort with me taking her by the hands and dancing, while explaining the salsa dance number I wanted to do while singing a duet. While I’m kind of interested in her too, it doesn’t really seem fair of me to show romantic interest in her (as opposed to the friendly flirting I did), after I already told her I was interested in her friend. She might give me some hope, though. I’ve seen her in the group before (while having met her friend, the girl from above, for the first time), so hopefully, she can find out if her friend is single and interested. She did, after all, seem to respect me as a friend, and not as a “friend zone” friend, either; just a casual friend she sees semi-regularly. **Other people** Demographics: _20’s and 30’s, mostly Caucasian, a few Hispanic_ Other people in the group, both guys and girls, were giving me hearty high-fives after the first time I sang (alone). Then after the duet, more high-fives and endless praise. This time, total strangers in the bar actually came up to me and the girl, just to give us compliments, and even alpha-looking men directed most of the statements to me, rather than to the girl. Employees behind the bar gave me lighting-fast service. **Conclusion** I think I dropped the ball here. The young girl I sang with probably wanted me to ask her phone number or something, and was miffed that I didn’t. Or maybe she just wanted to play around and have fun (which I gave her), and sent out a non-verbal signal that she’s had enough (which I listened). Either way, I don’t care enough to be upset about this. I’m just pleased to see I still got it 😉, as well as the flirting potential of karaoke that I exploited. ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/35 "2016-01-07T14:43:24Z")
So, can you please be a bit more clearer as to the p122 effects? I am sure you are not reporting about the karaoke right? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/36 "2016-01-07T19:14:16Z")
> [@von\_phero](#): > > I wonder how similar p131 is to p130, and other consecutively named putatives, alas I lost my p131 sample. Sometimes it feels like your deciphering a gene pool. I’ve tried them both and for me they were similar in some was but still vastly different. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/37 "2016-01-08T02:47:58Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > So, can you please be a bit more clearer as to the p122 effects? I am sure you are not reporting about the karaoke right? 🙂 Actually, it _is_ about the karaoke. I do it fairly often, and find it to be a convenient testing ground for pheromones. That said, the results from P122 have been mixed to the point of being polarized. In PheroTalk terms, “inconclusive”. The first time I used it, it gave me severe anxiety and made me very scatterbrained (enough to be unsafe to drive). Then mainly no-hitters. But when I gave it another chance recently, the results were like I described: lots of smiles and playful heavy flirting, but nothing all that sexual. If I had to describe the latter effect, it’d be an IG/IO/P131/MX297 mix, with a touch of aggression thrown in (which I handled well). ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/38 "2016-01-26T04:31:14Z")
**Hugely Polarized Hits After Getting Laid and Using P122 + Weird Reactions of my Own** This isn’t a true pheromone report, because I doubt P122 played a major role here. It happened last week. I got laid, then hung out with my karaoke group on the same day. Here’s how it all played out. All I used was 3 sprays of P122 on my neck. No cover scent. **First, the backstory.** It’s the same girl I hooked up with some months ago, who blocked my phone number afterwards. Which I was relieved about, since she had some quirks about her that didn’t sit well with me. Well, about a week ago, I get a text blast from the past. I still had second thoughts about her, but my dry spell totally steamrolled over them. We flirt back and forth a little, and agree to meet later that week. Come Friday after lunch, I arrive at her loft apartment. (I took a personal day so I don’t lose it, and she’s unemployed again.) Still in the same gentrifying inner city neighborhood, on the same commuter train I took last time. We immediately start hugging and kissing. Yada yada yada… we do the nasty. We spend the next few hours afterwards cuddling on her sofa, watching a movie she picked up from RedBox. Shortly after nightfall, I leave, telling her I had previous plans that I didn’t want to break, even though that was a lie. (Truth be told, I was hesitant to stay longer, since I wasn’t sure what her angle was.) As I’m walking back to the train station and riding the train back the suburbs, I find myself drawn to and totally mesmerized by light sources: city streetlights, cars’ headlights, fluorescent lamps inside the train, and suburban parking lot lights. It was really weird; I felt like a moth hovering around an oil lamp. I almost bumped into some tough youth walking in the oncoming direction; he didn’t say a word to me, for some reason. **Now, the real story.** During the train ride, as I check my e-mail on my phone, looking for actual plans to do, I find out that my karaoke group is meeting that night. Once my train reaches my stop, I make a beeline for the karaoke bar, not having enough time to even stop at home for 10 minutes to wash my hands and face. That’s when I realize I had the bottle of P122 in my pocket, that I never used on my lady friend. So I took it out, and put on 3 sprays. Inside the karaoke bar, I notice I’m getting HUGELY polarized hits. (Well, more like quasi-hits, since the pheromones were playing only a supporting role, I’m sure.) First, the good. Guys are saying hello and shaking my hand with such enthusiasm, like they just met their state senator or a local celebrity. Girls are smiling a mile wide and throwing compliments at me, and looking like they’re scrambling to come up with them, like on the olive green hoodie I was wearing. Everyone is cheering me on when I’m stepping onstage to sing. They’re a cool group, and people respect me there (albeit just platonically), but this was way out of character for them. I sing only once, but get the loudest applause of all singers. Wow! Just wow! I also get some bad hits. A handful of guys start acting inordinately territorial of their significant others whenever I walk by: wrapping their arm around them, and looking in my direction and mouthing “no!”. The worst one comes from one popular girl in the group, who looks at me, shouts “hey TheAttractor, watch!” and starts making out with her friend. Based on the tone she says it in, I know she’s trying to get a rise out of me, which she failed, thanks to my lady friend. She’s not usually like this. So I call her out on her actions pretty harshly at the end of the night (when the music shut down and the ugly lights came on), and she actually apologizes and blames herself equally harshly. **TD;DR version:** 1. I get a booty call-esque “blast from the past” text, and hook up with her. 2. On the way back to the suburbs, I find myself strangely attracted to light sources. 3. Due to time crunch, I don’t have time to stop at home and wash up. I put on 3 sprays of P122. 4. In the karaoke bar, guys are treating me like a celebrity, and girls are throwing compliments at me. 5. In the same bar, a few guys see me as a threat, and one girl tries to get a rise out of me. **Questions/comments:** In a nutshell, WTF?! Obviously, the copulins and who knows what else that rubbed off on my body had an effect, but I never imagined it’d be like this. It seems like I turned into an alpha male that all the PUA authors talk about. Not to mention that the sex after a dry spell probably spiked my testosterone levels, causing people around me to react in unexpected ways. And what’s the deal with my attraction to light sources? It seems like P122 has the strongest power when used in conjunction with real copulins (or EOW from the other place). Any other thoughts on this? ---
**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2016, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/39 "2016-01-26T04:37:59Z")
Copulins raises testosterone levels by 150% and p122 acts like an Intensifier. Post coitus would probably have you laced with natural enone on you too. I’m surprised you didn’t end up starting a fight or being started on. Sounds like a knife edge of a mix. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/40 "2016-01-26T16:31:55Z")
Real copulins? Do you mean natural copulins you picked up doing the nasty? Or maybe I missed something in the text? [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678.md?page=3)