# TheAttractor's Journal

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678>\
**Category:** Men's Journals\
**Created:** [February 3, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678 "2009-02-03T00:59:24Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/41 "2016-01-27T02:43:14Z")

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> [@Conjurator](#):
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> Real copulins? Do you mean natural copulins you picked up doing the nasty? Or maybe I missed something in the text?

That’s exactly right. By “natural copulins”, I meant the ones got on my skin from my lady friend. (Then didn’t wash off, because I never showered until next day.) And with the boost in my own natural androstenone, my testosterone levels must have been through the roof. Hence, the alpha male vibe I was putting out. Combined with the suspenseful train ride to her place, which gave me a mild adrenaline rush, it all produced a massive pheromone cocktail. Afterwards, I felt like an unstoppable beast. What happened in the karaoke bar later, you already know.

I think the reason for that is that I was extremely turned on while with her; you know, WITH her. A big contributing factor was her being a perfect gray area between a stranger and a girl I know well. I felt some comfort level, but she was still a “new” girl. While I don’t have problems with, um, “reactions”, my mental arousal tends to be fairly subdued at times. Not with her. I was completely letting go and getting in the moment.

It’s still interesting how I was staring at streetlights the whole way back. Is that just my senses getting enhanced, or something else?

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**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/42 "2016-01-27T03:52:51Z")

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Thanks for the details, Attractor. Interesting theory.

Regarding streetlights, I find quite a few putatives make colors more vivid, lights brighter and things like that. I have never tried P122, but it might be an effect of that one.

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**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 11:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/43 "2016-01-27T11:09:18Z")

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> [@TheAttractor](#):
>
> That’s exactly right. By “natural copulins”, I meant the ones got on my skin from my lady friend. (Then didn’t wash off, because I never showered until next day.) And with the boost in my own natural androstenone, my testosterone levels must have been through the roof. Hence, the alpha male vibe I was putting out. Combined with the suspenseful train ride to her place, which gave me a mild adrenaline rush, it all produced a massive pheromone cocktail. Afterwards, I felt like an unstoppable beast. What happened in the karaoke bar later, you already know.
> 
> I think the reason for that is that I was extremely turned on while with her; you know, WITH her. A big contributing factor was her being a perfect gray area between a stranger and a girl I know well. I felt some comfort level, but she was still a “new” girl. While I don’t have problems with, um, “reactions”, my mental arousal tends to be fairly subdued at times. Not with her. I was completely letting go and getting in the moment.
> 
> It’s still interesting how I was staring at streetlights the whole way back. Is that just my senses getting enhanced, or something else?

Who is this “her”? The one you have sex with or your friend in the karaoke bar? Im picking up two girls in your story, the girl before p122 and the girl after p122, and I want to properly pick the right data. 🙂

And if I’m picking the story right, you are staring with the streetlamps without p122, so maybe it’s a hang-over of a great sex, or you are just a little bit tired after the marathon. 🙂

I’m excited to see your future p122 solo test after reading this latest experience of yours. 🙂

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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/44 "2016-01-27T12:53:46Z")

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> [@Dee\_A](#):
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> Who is this “her”? The one you have sex with or your friend in the karaoke bar? Im picking up two girls in your story, the girl before p122 and the girl after p122, and I want to properly pick the right data. 🙂

Read below for clarification.

“Her” is who I’ve referred to as “my lady friend” in the report. She’s the one I had sex with. I originally met her about 6 months ago. We hooked up, then she blocked my number. Just last week, she texted me again. I had second thoughts, but I was also hungry :o, so I saw her anyway.

The girls from the karaoke bar, good and bad hits, are casual friends that I don’t really see outside my group. All we do is hang out, talk, and I’ve also danced with them (innocently) once or twice. I’d be laughing pretty hard if P122 or any other product made them want to have sex with me.

The P122 was added in a public restroom. I originally wanted to test on my lady friend, but forgot. I found it in my pocket afterwards. So I ended up putting it on after getting back to my home train station. I arrived at the karaoke bar a half hour later.

Side note: I just realized I kind of like taking a train before and after casual encounters. It has that dark, ironically romantic feel to it, like an old movie.

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**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/45 "2016-01-27T16:00:25Z")

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> [@TheAttractor](#):
>
> Read below for clarification.
> 
> “Her” is who I’ve referred to as “my lady friend” in the report. She’s the one I had sex with. I originally met her about 6 months ago. We hooked up, then she blocked my number. Just last week, she texted me again. I had second thoughts, but I was also hungry :o, so I saw her anyway.
> 
> The girls from the karaoke bar, good and bad hits, are casual friends that I don’t really see outside my group. All we do is hang out, talk, and I’ve also danced with them (innocently) once or twice. I’d be laughing pretty hard if P122 or any other product made them want to have sex with me.
> 
> The P122 was added in a public restroom. I originally wanted to test on my lady friend, but forgot. I found it in my pocket afterwards. So I ended up putting it on after getting back to my home train station. I arrived at the karaoke bar a half hour later.
> 
> Side note: I just realized I kind of like taking a train before and after casual encounters. It has that dark, ironically romantic feel to it, like an old movie.

Thanks for clarifying! 😃

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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [February 2, 2016, 5:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/46 "2016-02-02T05:50:25Z")

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**Hugely Polarized Hits After Getting Laid and Using P122 + Weird Reactions of my Own: Post-Use Observations.**

Well, I observed how people have been treating me since Friday a week ago (1/22), when I had really great sex. Their general behaviors seem to be a departure from the norm. I’ve even seen noticeable submissiveness in men, a rarity for me. So far, here’s what I’ve seen. So whoever said it was the copulins—also the androstenone—was definitely right. I have a whole new level of appreciation for my lady friend. (Although if I were to start a relationship with her, which I’m not interested in due to her personality quirks and past actions, I’d expect the alpha-male boost from the sex to subside over time.)

**Male friends** _(knew I got laid)_  
They seemed to be treating me with more respect than before. One time we were supposed to do a happy hour at a bar, they showed up 30 minutes late. I called them out on it, and they were apologetic, rather than tell me to lighten up. They also laughed at my jokes a lot more, both the brilliant ones and the corny ones.

**Female friends** _(didn’t know I got laid)_  
These are mainly friends’ girlfriends. They looked at me with respect and talked to me as a true equal, even when I came as a [odd number] wheel. They also never called me out on my corny jokes.

**Work**  
No significant differences from direct colleagues (all guys), other than giving me respectful smiles more often. My boss has said “good morning” to me first multiple times, even though he’s kinda old-school, which means a subordinate is supposed to say it first. People in the elevator made small talk more than before, and didn’t pounce on me with IT questions (as I got used to them doing over time).

**Family**  
No difference.

**Strangers in public**  
Slightly easier conversations, but no significant difference otherwise.

**Gym**  
This is where the differences were most striking. Many a time, a guy practically bolted from a weight machine when I asked an innocuous question: “Excuse me, are you still using it?”. Women in my Zumba class talked to me more, although it was just friendly talking.

**Social/partying**  
This past weekend was inordinately quiet, so I haven’t had a chance to really test out my copulin persona. Unlike the infamous karaoke the week before, that is. The effects would probably be a milder version of that night.

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**Author:** ![von\_phero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e8c25b/32.png) [@von\_phero](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/von_phero)\
**Post date:** [February 4, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/47 "2016-02-04T16:52:35Z")

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Yeh I said that… Your real mix was more like cops + enone + p102.. I have had great hits from next day natural cops and not washing before. I find cops makes males smile and generally welcoming as its a female excretion. Your natural enone plus the p102 would have created the male intimidation/negatives. I am also very wary of my own enone supply as I think I naturally produce a lot.. And you’re definitely laced with enone and cops post coitus… I’ve never found much of a use for the intensifying effects of p102 personally. I’m all about buffers.

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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/48 "2016-04-17T17:12:19Z")

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**Harder, faster, stronger after sniffing TUTH**

Yesterday, I had a strange experience with TUTH . Before going to the gym, I decided to do a bit of an experiment. I sprayed some TUTH on my finger, and rubbed it just inside my nose. Then I headed over to the gym.

At the gym, I felt a massive rush of energy in me. When hit the machines, I found myself lifting 10 lb to 40 lb more than I usually do, depending on which muscle group I was doing. I was also running much faster on the treadmill than usual. I felt really good at that moment, although when I was done working out, it was painful to even open the gym exit door. One relatively minor side effect is that I became massively thirsty. I ended up drinking almost half a gallon of water during the 2 hours I worked out.

So now, the questions. Is it normal for get this kind of self-effect from TUTH ? (I’m aware that it’ll fade over time.) And is the “harder, faster, stronger” self-effect the same as the aggression TUTH evokes in other men toward you? Anything else you can suggest to confirm or debunk what happened?

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**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\
**Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/49 "2016-04-18T18:33:56Z")

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Maybe try and repeat that to see if you achieve consistency and repeatability with this aspect?

I remember feeling a huge gorilla-rush on first-ever TUTH use, but not really ever since. I have never tried it so close to my nose however.

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**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/50 "2016-04-19T02:47:10Z")

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I have had this same experience you are talking about and know how it feels about the rush. I have had this same experience with TUTH and A314/P79 combo. So I know P79 has to do something with this. I have had this same experience with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)/P79 also. With TUTH I get the feeling sometimes with 1 spray to throat but usually 2. With A314 I used 2 drops REV32 and 10MCG P79 and 3 sprays Ammo regular and 10MCG P79.

P79 with either or maybe both None and Rone I get this feeling. I feel like Mike Tyson in his prime ready to take someone out and I feel very strong and like nothing can bring me down. I have been doing a lot of public speaking lately and if I wear P79 and either Ammo or A314 or TUTH solo I feel really confident and nothing bothers me.

I don’t know if you have P79, but maybe you can try it with Ammo or A314 and see what you think. I feel much better and am wondering if somehow this has an effect on Testosterone levels. Because the feeling I get isn’t an amped up feeling like from caffeine or some work out supplement, but feels more like my test levels are higher and my confidence is thru the roof.

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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/51 "2016-04-19T03:43:59Z")

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**Karaoke hits with Ammo, TUTH, and IShine: fun, flirty, playful**

This past Friday night, I went to karaoke yet again. With the same group. This report kind of picks up where my last one leaves off. (Previously on “TheAttractor’s Karaoke Misadventures”: [Hugely Polarized Hits After Getting Laid and Using P122 + Weird Reactions of my Own](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hugely-polarized-hits-after-getting-laid-and-using-p122-weird-reactions-of-my-own/65526) .) I met with the same karaoke group, mostly the same people from before. This time, there was no getting laid beforehand. Hence, no staring at streetlights or having tough youths avoid me. You kind of have to have read the previous report to get the references, as well as to understand the returning cast of characters. But if you’re pressed for time, then just enjoy this report.

Here’s what I wore:

Ammo: 3 sprays on front of neck  
TUTH: \<1 spray on forehead  
IShine: 3 spray on sides on cheeks (combined)

And here’s what transpired:

**Self**  
An interesting roller coaster, fluctuating between moderate agitation and ethereal relaxation. It was more of a kiddie roller coaster than a Six Flags one, though. It passed when I got to the karaoke place and downed a shot.

**Popular girl in the group** (returning character)  
Demographic: _Caucasian, early 30’s_  
My first hit came from the girl who made out with her friend (female) last time, to get a rise out of me. This time, as I got to the group table, she ran up to me, shouted “TheAttractor, my friend! How are you?”, and gave me the kind of hug football players give each other. There was no mockery (or sexual interest, for that matter) in her voice, so maybe she felt embarrassed about her actions last time and tried to smooth things out. I was in a good mood, and decided to accept what was essentially an unspoken apology.

**Another girl in the group** (new character)  
Demographic: _African American, early 30’s_  
The hit was even more blatant with her. She said she remembered me from last time, and said sorry we didn’t get to do a duet together. Reason for not asking her the other night was that she was with a guy (who mouthed “no!” when I walked past them), but she clarified she was single. Throughout the night, she showed an inordinate comfort with me initiating kino and returning it: hand on her shoulder, hand on the small of her back, and cheeky dancing onstage. At the end, I thought it was odd that she preferred to message through the group website instead of exchanging numbers, but whatever.

**Guys in the group** (mostly returning, two new)  
Demographics: _Caucasian and Asian, late 20’s to late 30’s_  
The guys were talking to me like I was a combination of a wise elder and a small town football coach. We ended up having some great conversations. Especially when I gave them some karaoke tips, during which I went off on tangents about music theory and psychology, which they seemed to be fascinated by. As usual, I got massive rounds of applause, and it sounded like the guys applauded louder than the girls. Strangers in the bar got in on the applause when I danced with the last girl while singing.

**Bartenders:**  
Demographics: _Caucasian, mid 20’s_  
The bartenders—one guy, two girls—were giving me lightning-fast service. The minute I went up to the bar, one of them would make eye contact and walk toward me, then bring my beer in under 30 seconds. Even though the place was pretty busy that night. I gave a great tip at the end of the night to return the goodwill.

**TL;DR version:**

1. The girl who tried to mess with me last time was acting in a playfully bro-like way with me.
2. A girl who remembered me from last time actually acted to go sing a duet with me, which I obliged.
3. Guys in the group thought I was cool and listened to me intently.
4. Bartenders gave me lightning-fast service.

**Questions/comments:**  
I think it’s all pretty clear this time. The androsterone in Ammo made me look masculine and cool. The androstenone in Ammo and TUTH made me look confident and strong. And the TAA in IShine made me fun to be around. But the floor is one to any questions or comments.

The floor is open to any questions or comments.

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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 3:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/52 "2016-04-19T03:47:17Z")

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> [@justintime469](#):
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> I don’t know if you have P79, but maybe you can try it with Ammo or A314 and see what you think. I feel much better and am wondering if somehow this has an effect on Testosterone levels. Because the feeling I get isn’t an amped up feeling like from caffeine or some work out supplement, but feels more like my test levels are higher and my confidence is thru the roof.

I don’t have P79, but I’ve read that it’s an enhancer. I’ve had a comparable “enhancer” experience with P122. It was right after I got laid, so my androstenone and on-skin copulins levels were through the roof. It made the people around me act in weird, highly polarized ways. At the same time, it had little or no self-effects. My earlier journal post talks about it in greater detail.

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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/53 "2016-05-07T16:28:46Z")

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**Cinco de Mayo hits with Ammo + IShine: slow start, then a fast escalation**

This year’s Cinco de Mayo, I went out with one of my interest groups—the movie/media art group, to be exact—to a lively Mexican restaurant pretty close to me. They had recorded mariachi music early on, then switched to contemporary Latin/reggaeton songs later on. It being Cinco de Mayo, I was hoping to dance salsa with the ladies in the group, since dancing venues are perfect pheromone test sites. But there was no dance floor. Oh well.

I put on the following before heading out:  
Ammo: 2x on neck, 1 each  
IShine: 2x on wrists, 1 each

**Self effects**  
Since it’s been a few months, if not more, since the last time I used pheromones, the self effects were quite strong. On the way there, I had a bit of “Who da man! I’m da man!” feeling. It also made me visually drawn to rows of glowing streetlights, but this seems common for me whenever I’m under the influence of pheromones (or just got laid, hehe).

**At the table**  
It’s the usual group dinner: sitting around, talking, laughing. I notice one difference: when I talk, whether to ask a question, respond to something, or say something funny, the overall volume at the table goes down a little. My “That’s what she said!” joke had the whole table cracking up. There’s one Hispanic girl (see below) who was particularly interesting in hearing where I took salsa lessons, although the dance school was nowhere near her. Other than that, no real hits. Or maybe just IOR’s (indicators of respect), rather than IOI’s.

**Girl in the parking lot**  
Demographic: _Hispanic, early 30’s_  
Hours pass. We pay up and head out into warm breezy night. I’m talking to a few people (mostly guys) walking near me, until I hear someone shouting: “Hey, wait up!” I turn around, and it’s that girl. She catches up with us, and joins our conversation, directing a bulk of the statements at me. We banter a little. As I’m about to turn toward my car, she says: “What, where’s my hug?!” I decide to be conservative, and give her a one-arm friendly hug; after all, I just met her. I did it to avoid inadvertently showing neediness, plus it was in front of at least half the group. She does a “hug intensifier”—as opposed to “hug buffers” I used to get many years ago—by rubbing her hair against my face a little. I do not see her hugging anyone else, not even her female friend. As we part ways, she says: “Save me a dance at other events.” I smile and say “will do!” in a pretend business-like tone, and get in my car.

**TL;DR version**

1. I get a noticeable boost in confidence as a self effect, since I haven’t used pheromones in a while.
2. During dinner with my media art group, people at the table seem to pay more attention to me, laugh harder at my jokes, and respond slightly better to my statements than usual.
3. As we’re walking back to our cars, one Hispanic girl in the group offers me a hug completely out of the blue, and playfully flirts with me a little. She doesn’t do it with anyone else there.

**Concluding thoughts**  
I’d say the dinner conversations were mostly IOR’s. It’s a very nice group, and I’m somewhat well-known there, due to having danced with ladies, in and out of the group, at group events. So it wasn’t out of character. But the Hispanic girl in the parking lot, now _that_ was a hit and an IOI. The hug felt pretty good; she must have manipulated it somehow. I’ll definitely take her suggestion and try to dance with her at another event, and see where that take me. I’ll probably pick swing over salsa, since it’s more likely to be a new dance to her, so she’ll be more impressed by it.

The floor is open to questions or comments.

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**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\
**Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/54 "2016-06-26T17:09:10Z")

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**Freaky Polarized Hits at a Fetish Club: the good, the bad, and the awesome!**

Last night (Saturday), I decided to go to an open house night at a fetish/BDSM club. I have no fetishes, but wanted to do something edgy, crazy, and off-the-wall. Something to sit back and smile about, come work on Monday. Especially considering that my good friends are all in relationships now, and nights out with them have become super-tame; seeing a comedy movie together is as wild as it gets.

So I requested Uber to go to the club, got dropped off at a gas station, then walked about 6 blocks to a warehouse-looking building. Paid cover and went inside. I didn’t drive 'cause I didn’t want anyone to see my car parked outside. Plus, I downed a few shots before heading out to take the edge off, since alcohol was prohibited there.

I dressed normally: just shorts and a T-shirt. Given what kind of place it was, it had no dress code. When prompted for what’s my fetish, I just told people I have a kissing fetish. (I get aroused by French kissing, despite being well into my 30’s, so I guess that’s sort of true.) But my main reason for saying it, is that it’s innocuous and believable, just enough to allow me to fit in, rather than come off as a “tourist”. And unlike many fetishes, completely 100% painless.

Before heading out, I put on the following.  
A314: 2 sprays, 1 on each temple  
TUTH: 2 sprays, 1 on each side of neck

**Bouncers/security: the good**  
_Demographics: Caucasian and African American, early 30’s_  
They turned out to be one of the most laid-back, yet professional bouncers I ever saw in a club. They actually smiled at me, answered all the questions I had, and even said to come see them if I run into any trouble. Given the fact that I was coming to a club as a single man, I was expecting them to have a field day with me, which had happened when I was in my early 20’s. So it turned out to be a nice mood-elevating start for the night, presumably thanks to the A314.

**Men: the good**  
_Demographics: mostly Caucasian, 30 thru 45_  
I spent very little time talking to the men, other than non-sexual small talk here or there. Despite my aggressive pheromone signature, they were cool and polite with me. I even had a few nice conversations, especially when wanting to take a break from approaching women. Gay men, if there were any, did not attempt to hit on me in any way whatsoever.

**Most women: the bad**  
_Demographics: Caucasian and African American, 30 thru 45_  
I found myself getting quite a bit of ghosting. Conversation openers resulted in a few minutes of stilted polite conversations, after which I knew to make a graceful exit. One lady brought a stuffed Playboy bunny toy in her purse, at which point she asked if I wanted to pet the bunny (a reference to a children’s book of the same name).

Still, for the most part, I was getting ghosted left and right. I thought that was odd, since 2 sprays of TUTH isn’t too much for my age. Later, I talked to one woman who appeared particularly friendly. I told her about my kissing fetish, which she liked, but having gotten rejected quite a few times before then, I was already hesitant to actually kiss her, even after she let me take a sip out of the pint whiskey bottle she snuck in.

**Two women: the awesome**  
_Demographics: Caucasian, 45-ish_  
After experiencing a rejection after rejection, I decided to cut my losses and leave. I went outside to a city bus top that doubled as a taxi/Uber stand. I saw the woman from earlier standing there, along with her friend. She looked at me, and shouted: “Kissing fetish!!!”, and pulled me into a hug. She reeked of tobacco and alcohol; I saw an unfinished bottle still hidden in her bra. She motioned her friend to join in on the hug, since it was windy outside.

Pleasantly shocked by the sudden turn of events, I decided to go big or go home! I leaned over and tried to kiss the first woman. She reacted very positively, and we started making out slowly and erotically. A few minutes later, her friend grabbed my head, turned me toward her, and started kissing me too. She was a little bit more enjoyable, because she must have taken a breath mint before leaving the club.

I got a little bolder and said: “You know, it’ll be more efficient if we do a threesome kiss?” One of them said: “Nope, we’re not heteroflexible like that. Those women are annoying as f\_ck; pick a side already!” I agree with her, so I gave her a high-five in response, despite having lost out on a very sexy experience. They kissed me for another 5 minutes or so, until my Uber came. The driver gave me a thumbs-up after I got in his car. It happened so fast, that I forgot to ask for their phone numbers.

**Closing thoughts**  
Well, the night turned out just like the thread title: the good, the bad, and the awesome. I’m still having trouble integrating the whole experience. And honestly, if it weren’t for the women at the bus stop, I’d consider the whole night a failure.

Questions? Comments? Thoughts?

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**Post date:** [June 26, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/55 "2016-06-26T21:03:07Z")

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Do you think that the kiss fetish thing could have been somewhat of a turn-off for some hypersexed women or cougars who were there because it might be perceived as a bit boyish and inoffensive? Could there have been a ‘‘Oh what a cute little bunny’’ kind of maternal reaction instead of sexual response or keen fascination? That fetish is not that coherent with the A314’s leadership and commanding vibe, or even with TUTH, maybe a more aggressive fetish idea would have paid in spades with the same mones? Just sharing some thoughts here, not being judgemental or anything.

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**Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/56 "2016-06-27T00:45:30Z")

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I’m kind of aware that the kissing fetish came off as “too high school”. But I didn’t go to that fetish club “to look for like-minded people”, as is usually the case. I went there out of frustration with my friends, who, after setting down, aged from early 30’s to early 60’s in just 6 months, as far as their going-out habits are concerned. So I wanted to do something more edgy and off-the-wall than the quiet, cerebral dinner parties they’ve been attending lately with their girlfriends. In order to have crazy stories when they ask me what I did on Saturday.

As for the kissing fetish, it’s the best I could come up with to fit in, _and_ have it be something I enjoy. Anything else, even a foot fetish, not uncommon among men, isn’t my thing. Making a good impression wasn’t a high priority, either; it was basically a throwaway night, so to speak. I’ll keep your advice in mind for when this club has another open house (normally, it’s for members only, and it ain’t cheap), but honestly, I’d rather be kissed, than smacked with a whip or have a foot stuck in my face.

And speaking of “maternal reaction”, there was a handful of age-play fetishists there. My reaction was “ick!”. But yeah, if those two women at the Uber stand had a “maternal reaction” and French kissed me as a result, then who knows what other fetishes they could have, and maybe it’s a _good_ thing that I didn’t get their phone numbers 😉. I’m open-minded, but I have my limits.

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**Post date:** [June 27, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/57 "2016-06-27T14:58:39Z")

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I think you got the reactions I would have expected to get if I wore that in that situation.. First of all big respect for going to an event like that alone, I would have never done that! Your sig kinda says respect me, give me space, I am fucking horny.. Personally i have never had any luck with tuth, I think the p79 doesn’t improve enones qualities, and the people who do have luck with it on this forum buffer it with TAC or something similar, or are using it on their significant others. For meeting new people I feel socials, mood elevators and disinhibitors do the trick. Mx297 prob would have worked… Also I would have thought in a sexually charged situation like that 2-4 sprays ammo + socials would have gone down well too… A314 may have come across as too serious and unapproachable.. Two sprays tuth would have everyone running away from me, apart from the oldest, sluttiest cougers..

Great report thanks for the read.

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**Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/58 "2016-07-09T16:35:30Z")

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**Ammo + IShine hits report**

On Thursday night, I went to yet another karaoke. It wasn’t with my usual group, but another one that usually does movies and museums. They’re a fun, welcoming bunch, and I enjoy hanging out with them. People there already know me and accept me, quirks and all. Here are the hits that transpired.

Before heading out, I put on the following.  
Ammo: 3 sprays, 1 on each forearm, 1 on forehead  
IShine: 3 sprays, all on hair

**Guys**  
_Demographics: all races, late 20’s to mid 30’s_  
Not much different than how they usually treat me. I occupy a solid middle position in the group: not the alpha dog, but not the fringe omega, either. They talked to me in a friendly, respectful tone, and one guy invited me to join him and a few other people for a round of Cards Against Humanity. We ended up having a good time, with me getting compliments on the wacky answers (white cards) I put in. I finished third in the game. Despite the somewhat high Ammo content, there was absolutely no aggression whatsoever, or maybe IShine buffered it really well.

**Girls**  
_Demographics: all races, late 20’s to mid 30’s_  
Their hits were more noticeable, but still somewhat subtle. Here’s what I noticed the most.

1. I arrived early, so I sat at the bar, nursing a beer and waiting for others to show. A girl arrived and sat right next to me, even though the bar was relatively empty. She was sitting close enough to bump arms into each other, and had occasional DIHL moments. We talked and bantered slightly over our beer and song choices.
2. There’s a girl in the group who’s quite bubbly and acts like a goofball (in a good way) when she drinks. She kept taking group selfies, and always looked in my direction and invited me to join in. During the selfies, she’d press into me, getting hairspray on my face, which I teased her about.
3. Hours later, the group started to trickle out. One girl came up to me, complimented me on my singing, and gave me an inordinately close hug. The hug could be described as “endearing” or even “cute”, rather than sexual, but still felt sincere (as contrasted with a clumsy drunken hug, where someone jumps on you like an over-excited beagle). She totally pressed into me, oblivious of boundaries, even though we’re mainly acquaintances.

**TL;DR version**  
I used 3 sprays of Ammo and IShine each. Guys treated me with respect, and invited me to join in for games. Girls were inordinately oblivious of friend boundaries, with things like hugs, selfies, and standing close.

**Closing**  
I think the night was a success, and I got the hits I expected. The floor is open to questions and comments.

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**Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/59 "2016-07-10T14:16:40Z")

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Being jumped by an over-excited beagle?! Thanks god I have never been exposed to such an abomination (lol).

Ammo is indeed great to get laidback and friendly respect from guys while it’s charming for girls. So Ammo is definitely wearable anywhere. The IS makes everybody giggly and upbeat. Great combo choice, and ratio, for such a setting, for sure.

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**Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/60 "2016-07-10T15:41:51Z")

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> [@Conjurator](#):
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> Ammo is indeed great to get laidback and friendly respect from guys while it’s charming for girls.

Speaking of charming, I remember getting really great hugs from women when using Ammo or comparable products. (For a point of comparison, think of the difference between a greeting-type handshake and a handshake from someone who thinks you’re awesome.) In my example with #3 under “Girls” (the “cute” hug), she was kind of rubbing her hair against me. It felt really nice.

Do women rub their hair against you intentionally, or does it just happen by accident if they have long hair?

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