# Thinking about trying 2 Sprays of IJ again **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 24, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001 "2010-04-24T21:10:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/1 "2010-04-24T21:10:54Z")
I usually only use just 1 spray of IJ because 1 spray is very potent and generates nice hits. I tried 2 sprays of IJ unbufferend last year and it sucked. I think I got ghosted big time. I thinking about trying 2 sprays of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) again tonight but buffering it this time. I’m thinking about using the following two buffers to bring the Instant Jerk down to earth: 1. 25 mcg of TAC 2. CTTM2 (1 Spray) What do you guys think? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/2 "2010-04-24T21:25:06Z")
One or two sprays of CTTM would be enough to buffer two sprays of IJ. I’d prefer one or two sprays of Spaceland or IO x2. ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/3 "2010-04-24T21:26:17Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > I usually only use just 1 spray of IJ because 1 spray is very potent and generates nice hits. I tried 2 sprays of IJ unbufferend last year and it sucked. I think I got ghosted big time. > > I thinking about trying 2 sprays of Instant Jerk again tonight but buffering it this time. I’m thinking about using the following two buffers to bring the Instant Jerk down to earth: > > 1. 25 mcg of TAC > 2. CTTM2 (1 Spray) > > What do you guys think? From what iv read, TAC is an **excellent** buffer for none, perhaps one of the best if not **the** best. Just the 25 mcg of TAC would be enough to buffer the none, keeping in mind that you have a passive personality (that was your journal i read and commented on right? passive personality usually reflects a low anone natural signature). The cctm2 would round it off overall as a a great mix. Personally i think you should consider going with 2 sprays of cttm2 (its not very potent stuff in my experience) and maybe 15-20mcg of TAC. Of course theres only one way to find out what works best. Il be looking forward to reading your results. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/4 "2010-04-24T23:25:30Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > One or two sprays of CTTM would be enough to buffer two sprays of IJ. I’d prefer one or two sprays of Spaceland or IO x2. I have a bottle of IO but I stopped using it last year because it reduced the number of blatant hits I was getting. Maybe that’s exactly what I need with 2 sprays of IJ. Time to dust of the bottle of IO and give it another try. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/5 "2010-04-24T23:32:12Z")
If your attracted to cougarettes, I’d suggest you gave those two sprays of IJ some AMMO to accompany’em. I’ve worn three sprays of AMMO with one spray of IJ on several outings, and the head snaps and “all of a sudden” looks were plentiful! ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/6 "2010-04-24T23:36:02Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > I have a bottle of IO but I stopped using it last year because it reduced the number of blatant hits I was getting. Maybe that’s exactly what I need with 2 sprays of IJ. Time to dust of the bottle of IO and give it another try. Yeah, see that’s the thing you have to find a good balance of Alphanol to -none. Enough Alphanol to buffer negatives, but also enough -none to still receive -none type of hits without the anger/aggravation. I can’t comment on TAC because I haven’t used it with -none and I have yet to test it alone to get a feel of how it works by itself. But as mentioned, balance. By the way, how much IO were you wearing with that one spray of IJ? I used to use 4 sprays of Spaceland with two sprays of IJ but have come to realize that one or two is enough. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/7 "2010-04-24T23:54:41Z")
Now I’ve heard that nols, especially Alpha nol can reduce the positive impacts of both none and rone. Even the AD website says that too much IO can reduce the authority vibe of A314. However When I switched from IO to Shine I found the mood elevation to be similar although not idenitical, yet none of the positives of my none and rone products seemed effected…in fact if anything it enhanced a lot of the more positive qualities of my A314 and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). IO was ok, but in high doses everyone wanted to waste my time and bend my ear even if I was visibly not interested. And while people seemed friendly enough the level between us wasn’t as great as when I used Shine instead. Makes me wonder if some Shine wouldn’t be a better product to use with Jerk to buffer the potential negatives without blunting the positive desired effects. Has anyone else experienced this? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/8 "2010-04-25T00:00:10Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Now I’ve heard that nols, especially Alpha nol can reduce the positive impacts of both none and rone. Even the AD website says that too much IO can reduce the authority vibe of A314. However When I switched from IO to Shine I found the mood elevation to be similar although not idenitical, yet none of the positives of my none and rone products seemed effected…in fact if anything it enhanced a lot of the more positive qualities of my A314 and Ammo. IO was ok, but in high doses everyone wanted to waste my time and bend my ear even if I was visibly not interested. And while people seemed friendly enough the level between us wasn’t as great as when I used Shine instead. Makes me wonder if some Shine wouldn’t be a better product to use with Jerk to buffer the potential negatives without blunting the positive desired effects. > Has anyone else experienced this? I have NOT experienced this, but it just makes COMMON MONE SENSE! For me, this seems to be true with using TOO MUCH A-1 or IFM with -none. -None is suppose to get out there and kick ass, so let it. ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/9 "2010-04-25T00:31:12Z")
this is why I use TUTH or AMMO with IH… TUTH + IH is an electrifying combo, just like AMMO + IS. I now use all of them together (1x each) 😉 AMMO goes well with IH and A1 too. However, AMMO + IO is not that good. I think AMMO + IO are VERY VERY good for young people like 16 to 24. I don’t recommend IO with AMMO for people 0ver 25+, because it has way too much alpha-nol ---
**Author:** ![darkxiao](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/darkxiao/32/1321_2.png) [@darkxiao](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/darkxiao)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/10 "2010-04-25T01:03:53Z")
By buffer you guys mean pretty much tone down the effect right? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/11 "2010-04-25T01:08:02Z")
> [@darkxiao](#): > > By buffer you guys mean pretty much tone down the effect right? To me, that’s what I THINK people mean, but it doesn’t sound right to wear all that -none just to tone it down. It makes sense to just use less -none; but that’s just me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![seekingadvice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58f4c7/32.png) [@seekingadvice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/seekingadvice)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/12 "2010-04-25T01:08:04Z")
> [@darkxiao](#): > > By buffer you guys mean pretty much tone down the effect right? Exactly 😉 So there isn’t “too much” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/13 "2010-04-25T02:02:12Z")
I take buffering more or less to try as best possible to reduce potential negative effects of a certain mone while keeping or enhancing the positives. None is a dichotomy of pheromones on the good side it both communicates and stimulates sexual desire and desirability. On the more negative side it can be intimidating to some women, like a very aggressive and socially clueless horn dog that comes on too strong, it can also be either intimidating or even hostility inducing with some men. In a high dose it can be perceived as if you’re forcing your way into an alpha position. Easily intimidated guys might capitulate but guys that consider themselves your equal or better might get defensive. A buffer would be any product that reduces the negative feelings or effects that a lone product might cause, while maintaining or enhancing the positives. [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) is a whooooole lotta none. I didn’t realize how much till I started experimenting with Ammo and TuTH and I see the effects I get from those even with a buffer, IJ has somewhere in the ballpark of 6 times the power of TuTH. So with some women the effects will likely hit like a freight train, quite a few others might actually be afraid to be alone with you and guys could just immediately decide you’re an asshole and try and get confrontational with you. I’ve never used it but going by reactions I’ve gotten with high doses of Ammo and TuTH I gotta say I’d use IJ alone simply for experimental purposes, but for somebody just interested in finding a mix that works without being a mad scientist/phero research enthusiast, play it safe and buffer that shit ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/14 "2010-04-25T02:15:52Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > To me, that’s what I THINK people mean, but it doesn’t sound right to wear all that -none just to tone it down. It makes sense to just use less -none; but that’s just me. 😃 I agree with you. When my mother taught me to cook she always told me to go easy on the salt when adding it. I can always “add” more but once I’ve added it in I can’t take it out. I could smooth it over somewhat by adding sugar to balance the salt but why would I go through all that effort when I could have added the right amount of salt in increments rather than going all out. Androstenone mitigation is convenient but I would not think so in the extreme sense. It is far more feasible to learn the most optimum range that is effective according to the situation and the females that you may be courting. I used to be afraid of androstenone when I first started using [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) but it definitely has a place in virtually all men’s mixes. It just has to be used with care and common sense. Androstenone gives me the “Clint Eastwood Effect” when I wear too much so I typically try to keep it concentrated away from my nose if possible unless I really want the self effects of it. At the very worst none puts me in a ill tempered short fuse mood where I will bite anyone’s head off without remorse. I want some IJ I wonder when its coming back 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/15 "2010-04-25T02:30:57Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > To me, that’s what I THINK people mean, but it doesn’t sound right to wear all that -none just to tone it down. It makes sense to just use less -none; but that’s just me. 😃 Low none = no or little attention, that’s the point. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyHard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/johnnyhard/32/1753_2.png) [@JohnnyHard](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnyHard)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/16 "2010-04-25T02:32:45Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > I usually only use just 1 spray of IJ because 1 spray is very potent and generates nice hits. I tried 2 sprays of IJ unbufferend last year and it sucked. I think I got ghosted big time. > > I thinking about trying 2 sprays of Instant Jerk again tonight but buffering it this time. I’m thinking about using the following two buffers to bring the Instant Jerk down to earth: > > 1. 25 mcg of TAC > 2. CTTM2 (1 Spray) > > What do you guys think? TAC is a good idea or TAC + a little TAH or TAL. TAF would amplify the none effect or the whole mix. Have you found your right mix, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) would your improvement. The magic Alter Ego ratio, 2 none, 1,5 anol and 1 rone can do wonders. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 2:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/17 "2010-04-25T02:39:54Z")
Thing is, that for me personally even though IJ has way more -none than TUTH it still seems like TUTH is way more intense and more aggressive than IJ if not worked with properly (at least for me.) ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/18 "2010-04-25T03:07:38Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Thing is, that for me personally even though IJ has way more -none than TUTH it still seems like TUTH is way more intense and more aggressive than IJ if not worked with properly (at least for me.) In theory that shouldn’t make any sense, the two aren’t even close to being equal in terms of None. So lemme see if I can come up with a “why” theory here. It’s obviously got to be whatever mystery molecules each product uses to steer the none in the desired direction. A “Jerk” vibe is sexy as a side effect imo. A jerk is a jerk across the board. And from first hand knowledge and experience can actually be quite popular within a certain social circle “Think drunken football playing frat boy” TuTH’s steering mones are supposed to JUST be sexual, sex is the primary message. So that none based signature almost alienates other males. I would imagine it’s basically like this. IJ probably says…“OK boys, I’m here, the party can start, now let’s find some women and get laid.” While TuTH probably says something more akin to…“I’m not interested in talking to you or being your friend, I just came to fuck all your women” Which of course would piss off most guys a lot more than just being a loud cocky ass. Of course I haven’t tried Jerk yet so I’m just pulling it out of my ass…but would you say this is plausable? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/19 "2010-04-25T03:16:05Z")
Not at all, makes sense. Definitely has to be the steering molecules in each. If I’m not mistaken (minus the cops which are now non-existing in IJ) it’s claimed (in the store) that IJ just has one more molecule besides the -none. However, could there possibly be more “steering” pheromones that are just not listed? Who knows, but I do remember that in one of Jasmin’s posts she mentioned that the other molecule in IJ is one to make the wearer seem more “loud.” Now I don’t remember the exact quote, but I do remember her mentioning “loud” as what the other molecule in IJ is meant to do in this mix. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001/20 "2010-04-26T01:37:48Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > By the way, how much IO were you wearing with that one spray of IJ? 1 or 2 sprays. Sometimes I combined it with IH. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thinking-about-trying-2-sprays-of-ij-again/38001.md?page=2)