# This Mystery method is unbelievable! **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [April 25, 2007, 11:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319 "2007-04-25T11:27:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/42 "2007-07-16T19:41:47Z")
Gem, what is going on with your website? ---
**Author:** ![Quicksilver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/quicksilver/32/1328_2.png) [@Quicksilver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Quicksilver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2007, 8:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/43 "2007-07-17T08:49:59Z")
> [@TANGO](#): > > Tango Echo, and Tango Alpha? > The Edge and TA? > > I know what you were getting at but it does not make much sense. It’s not the Tango as in “T”, it’s Tango as in the dance. > > Also: Quicksilver, how are you awarding points? IS there a system I am unaware of, or scale of PUA measurement other then a self concocted LAS VEGAS method? Or is this just value via peer? 1. Tango Echo = you repeat yourself 2. Tango Alpha? = do we, the forum members, agree that you are an alpha male? [edit: apparently not] 3. it takes two to tango. I’m not in the mood. 4. I am not “awarding points.” What points are you talking about? 5. I was hoping to see more of your social skills in action, but I’ve only been seeing two so far, and frankly, they’re getting overused. 6. your apparent social skills are = behave like a talking ape, and pound chest verbally 7. your paraphrased line of reasoning = “Animal behavior is the only behavior worth imitating, and since I have a mouth, I have to use that too, since my hairy fists can’t reach through the computer and throttle people who can’t understand that I am the most wonderful alpha male to grace their horizons.” Cheers, 🆒 Quicksilver ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2007, 9:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/44 "2007-07-17T09:33:37Z")
> [@TANGO](#): > > And don’t be mistaken, I use the word “butt” because I AM AN ASSHOLE. just was not aware of the forums profanity rules, SEEING AS HOW I DON’T FEEL THE NEED TO POST OFTEN (LR’s and FR’s) I don’t know the rules and did not care to read them. in a philosophical context I’m a Positivists Reductionist, Rationalist Absolutist, Subjectivist Relativist, who is Extremely EXTROVERTED and Brutal logical/honest, in lay mans contexts a modern day Alpha male who does not give a fuck about you. And I will call bullshit on you IF YOU ARE GIVING ANOTHER PERSON ADVICE AND ARE WRONG. other then that brag and be a ass clown all you want, it’s your life until you give BAD or Untruthfully advice to some one else. > > REMEMBER: by “wrong” I am a rationalist absolutist, everything I consider to be “truth” is considered and tested and then retested to find a “continual predicted outcome”. Guys like you are going to become tomorrow’s needy guy I think thanks to Mystery’s tv exposure. If that happens you won’t be getting any girls as it won’t be original… I prefer to be heart-centred - it works much better for me thank you… ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2007, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/45 "2007-07-17T09:41:22Z")
I already saw someone last month or so on local tv pretending to be some relationships expert, he was a canned routines PUA I’m really sure… ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 1:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/46 "2007-07-18T01:57:39Z")
I just got Magic Bullets. It’s on [The Mystery Method - Home](http://www.mysterymethod.com) This isn’t the Mystery Method by Mystery..? ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2007, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/47 "2007-07-18T06:14:41Z")
> [@gitsmw](#): > > I just got Magic Bullets. It’s on [The Mystery Method - Home](http://www.mysterymethod.com) > This isn’t the Mystery Method by Mystery..? Magic Bullets is by Savoy, although reviews have said that it basically the VAH wrapped-up in a more comprehensible format. I haven’t read it myself, so I can’t really attest to that fact. If my memory serves me right, Gem has read Magic Bullets, and should be able to confirm whether that is true or not. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/48 "2007-07-19T01:02:50Z")
Hey now fellow forum members, I’ve been away as you all know having my fun in the field. Thanks to all who stood up for me while I was away. Personally I’m just ignoring it as it’s jiberish at this point. Anyway I heard Mystery’s new model is almost complete, but I’ve heard that before. The real deal though right now is Mehow’s Get The Girl eBook he just released. He’s a cool guy and his stuff is solid. I can’t give an oppinion yet on it as I just haven’t got it yet. Apparently there is a delay in shipping the CD version. I did get an advanced copy of his phone game because I’m on his mailing list and it is SOLID. Watching his videos you can see the guy is awesome. Anyway I don’t believe the VH1 show will hurt anyone. It might force some PUA’s to change from canned to original, but the canned was designed just to get the noob going. Gem, It’s nice to see you back. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/49 "2007-07-19T01:26:50Z")
> [@leto44](#): > > steveo, are you seducing the MM way all the time, or you became natural? No, I try and find what works for me and go with it. I incorporate many aspects from many teachers. A key element for me, as you suggested is utilizing my natural abilities to project myself as who I am. This works well for me. We are all natural PUA seeking direction to better our skills. Every one of us have it in us, we just need to harness it. As far as structure is concerned using the VAH (TMM) has garnered me the best results. I was able to connect with what Mystery said and it helped me in understanding where a sticking point I had was happening and what steps I needed to take. Where as before I might have had a problem, but would encounter it again because I didn’t understand the structure behind the pick up. If you read the VAH (Venusian Arts Handbook) Mystery teaches you that the ultimate goal of seduction is to have the female believe the she is the seducer. That’s my aim. Do I achieve that every time? Heck no, I wish I did. I am a student and I will continue to be a student. The true mPUA here are Gem and PheroQuirk ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/50 "2007-07-19T15:18:43Z")
Things that help: 🙂 Good posture… Speak in complete sentences and demonstrate adequate oxygen supply to brain… Have high situational awareness… Dress in right combinations of color, pattern, and clothing fit for your body type… Overcompensating makes you look like you have an inferiority complex… don’t overdo anything to make up for something else… **Start thinking for yourself and sounding like you think for yourself** … canned lines always sound like canned lines and if you practice them to perfection you sound like a super-idiot for investing so much time to say oft repeated cliches like you just discovered them… Hence, a little authentic, original, self discovered personal reality is much more compelling than a dumptruck of second, third, fouth hand echo chamber crapola… Get over the idea that you have to be liked. Also get over the idea that you don’t have to be liked. Most fellers that pretend they don’t give a rat’s ass how people look at them are just covering up for the fact that they don’t know how to interact with people successfully. OTOH, the ones who desperately need validation from other people are life’s suckers and easy marks… in other words, **be in the game but not of the game** … if you get my drift… Most important, figure out what box you’re in, and how you got there, and what it means to be in your box… surprise… everybody IS in a life box, some know it better than others… Mega-Success Rule #1… in order to change to something else, you have to know what shapes your present reality… What does that mean, in practical terms ? **It means you don’t reshape the system by altering one peripheral detail of the system** , if you want core level success changes, (i.e. life’s big score versus life chump change minor compenastions for eternal loserdom) you have to make core level changes in yourself… which may mean dumping less than useful beliefs that you closely identify with your sense of “self”, or taking on new beliefs that may seem alien at first… ---
**Author:** ![Holmes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/holmes/32/2128_2.png) [@Holmes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Holmes)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/51 "2007-07-19T16:34:55Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Things that help: 🙂 > > Good posture… > > Speak in complete sentences and demonstrate adequate oxygen supply to brain… > > Have high situational awareness… > > Dress in right combinations of color, pattern, and clothing fit for your body type… > > Overcompensating makes you look like you have an inferiority complex… **don’t overdo anything to make up for something else** … > > **Start thinking for yourself and sounding like you think for yourself** … **canned lines always sound like canned lines and if you practice them to perfection you sound like a super-idiot for investing so much time to say oft repeated cliches like you just discovered them** … > > Hence, a little authentic, original, self discovered personal reality is much more compelling than a dumptruck of second, third, fouth hand echo chamber crapola… > > **Get over the idea that you have to be liked. Also get over the idea that you don’t have to be liked**. Most fellers that pretend they don’t give a rat’s ass how people look at them are just covering up for the fact that they don’t know how to interact with people successfully. OTOH, the ones who desperately need validation from other people are life’s suckers and easy marks… in other words, **be in the game but not of the game** … if you get my drift… > > Most important, figure out what box you’re in, and how you got there, and what it means to be in your box… surprise… everybody IS in a life box, some know it better than others… Mega-Success Rule #1… **in order to change to something else, you have to know what shapes your present reality** … > > What does that mean, in practical terms ? **It means you don’t reshape the system by altering one peripheral detail of the system** , if you want core level success changes, (i.e. life’s big score versus life chump change minor compenastions for eternal loserdom) you have to make core level changes in yourself… **which may mean dumping less than useful beliefs that you closely identify with your sense of “self”, or taking on new beliefs that may seem alien at first** … Great post (speaking of canned lines). ---
**Author:** ![Spaceghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@Spaceghost](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spaceghost)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/52 "2007-07-19T17:43:40Z")
I have spent a long time reading a variety of pick up books and guides by most of the big people in the scene. It was an interesting journey and I learnt some things but it is not for me. I am thankful that from what I read, I have been directed towards self improvement of my entire life and not just pick up skills. Would I like to sleep with 1000 hot women? Yes I would. However I would rather have one loving relationship over 1000 one night stands. Find what works for you, we are all impatient but finding out who you really are takes a long time but is worth it. I have a friend that came across the PUA scene and then every time we went out clubbing, all he ever talked about were girls, and I’m sorry but I find it a bit boring. ---
**Author:** ![Spaceghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@Spaceghost](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spaceghost)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/53 "2007-07-19T18:17:18Z")
I thought I made a post here but it has not turned up so I will try again. Over the past two years I have read and watched alot of PUA material, I learnt some things but on the whole I would say the approach techniques are not for me. I am grateful that through the PUA scene I was directed towards general self improvement. To myself, improving me is most important. If these techniques work for you then that is great. I get the impression alot of the PUAs have nothing else in their life except picking up girls and making money by selling their program. I hope I am wrong. Would I like to sleep with 1000 hot women? Yes, but I would take a loving, deep relationship with a single women over them. Just find and improve on what works for you and what makes you happy. Some of us will take the romantic approach and some will take the clinical, scientific route. I think both are just as good as each other, but rarely will both work for the same person. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2007, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/54 "2007-07-19T21:03:34Z")
Has anyone got Fuentes ebooks, what do you think of this guy? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 7:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/55 "2007-07-20T07:34:05Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > I was able to connect with what Mystery said and it helped me in understanding where a sticking point I had was happening and what steps I needed to take. Some people are calling his method the Misery Method as they say he’s quite a miserable, suicidal man. ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 7:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/56 "2007-07-20T07:50:53Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > The true mPUA here are Gem and PheroQuirk I can attest on Gem’s behalf by his students accounts over at his companys forum that is now closed. Craze was/is another beast as far back as I can recollect - I read that several forum members had witnessed him making out with his opening sets within a few minutes - I think his mode of pick up is Speed Seduction (SS) based, but I think he also uses other methods. PheroQuirk seems to be well read, and in case of point with his explanations on certain situations, displays a convincing role that he actually applies what he knows. Still, I think there are a lot of misguided pretenses as to what an mPUA/PUG really is. I personally do not see Papa as being anywhere near PUG status, though, many probably do. Thundercat is a well known KJ to most of the ‘community.’ And, most people probably do not consider Tyler Durden as being a PUA based on the negative account described in ‘The Game.’ By the way, I think ‘The Game’ was a clever marketing tool for Style, and I’ll leave it at that. Bottomline is that no matter where you are in your standing with women, you will always learn something from them as social dynamics continues to evolve as the times change. You have to start somewhere, and I concur with the fact that the Venusian Arts Handbook is probably the best place to start if you have your inner game issues squared away. However, unless you apply this in-field, then it is essentially useless knowledge. Big ups to whoever takes this material, and uses it to better themselves, instead of tearing themselves apart by taking advantage of women. ---
**Author:** ![mindset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mindset](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mindset)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/57 "2007-07-20T07:59:23Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Some people are calling his method the Misery Method as they say he’s quite a miserable, suicidal man. LMAO, Mystery is a human being who sleeps, eats, and shits like the rest of us. According to ‘The Game’ it was quite apparent that he had a reason to act the way he did at Project Hollywood, though, it didn’t appear to be that way in the beginning. Mystery sounds like the kind of individual who over analyzes everything, and reacts according to his formed reality, instead of really seeing the situation for what it is - like the majority of us do. We’re all emotional beings who react to stressful situations as they arise in manners that we normally wouldn’t. Perhaps he is delusional, and perhaps he’s just misunderstood as an individual. It happens when you develop free thinking abilities, and manage to take them outside of the frame we all call “reality.” ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 10:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/58 "2007-07-20T10:41:18Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > The true mPUA here are Gem and PheroQuirk You’re very kind. Gem’s pretty good. I am working on some challenges of my own and for me the end goal is developing a broad social skill set - so I’m far from being a master PUA 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Gem](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gem)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/59 "2007-07-20T16:10:17Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > You’re very kind. Gem’s pretty good. I am working on some challenges of my own and for me the end goal is developing a broad social skill set - so I’m far from being a master PUA 😉 Well put, Flattering as it is, I am far from mPUA, The day I stop learing and improving is the day I die. however while we are here… I would like to quietly announce… ALPHA INTERACTIONS IS LIVE!!! Come say hi over at [Alpha Interactions](http://www.alphainteractions.com) 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spaceghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac8455/32.png) [@Spaceghost](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spaceghost)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/60 "2007-07-20T16:24:57Z")
Well it is good to see more UK things going on, and for the moment you don’t have to be either very rich or very desperate to be able to afford the course. Still, I can’t say I am a fan of the blatent commercialism of the whole scene. ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2007, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319/61 "2007-07-20T19:44:51Z")
Gem, that’s a very aesthetically intelligent layout and color scheme. Even on the forums, too. Very nice. I registered under “Germ,” as that’s my username on mASF. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-mystery-method-is-unbelievable/3319.md?page=4)