# This stuff is NOT working for me **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [May 4, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172 "2011-05-04T11:41:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![woahfee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/35a633/32.png) [@woahfee](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/woahfee)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 11:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172/1 "2011-05-04T11:41:29Z")
I just want to say right off the bat that there is no way I’m overdosing. I’m a 37 year old guy and I have always only ever done 1 or 2 sprays of anything that is supposed to be “sexual” at all in or is a -stone product. The only product that I may have had any positive feedback from others about is IS. I have had zero luck with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) or IG or TUTH. I haven’t done enough testing on IO or IJ, but I didn’t really notice anything. The worst is what happened last night. I took a shower and then put 2 sprays of IG on my neck and decided since I hadn’t had any reaction to anything on its own thus far to spray 1 shot of TUTH on my left forearm and then rub it into my right forearm, so that each arm had a 1/2 spray of TUTH. Nothing happened except my wife was in a rotten mood this morning and said the bedroom stinks “like old musky smell”. LOL. I asked, "Wait, ‘musky’ or ‘musty?’ and she said “Well, both!” We went through every possible thing it could be and she said it wasn’t the trash, the incense, the closets, my shoes or even me (she smelled my neck where I sprayed the IG last night). I think her reaction was to the sprays, though. Don’t know what else it could be. I’m starting to think about that refund policy… I don’t want to ask for any refunds until I’m absolutely sure I am done with this stuff because I feel like why would they ever want to sell me anything again if I tried to get a refund for everything? I’m sure they wouldn’t. I still want to do more testing with IG because I have heard that’s like A314 light (and cheap!) and Ammo (because it would be great if it worked)… IS might have worked on me, I don’t know. Probably wouldn’t try to get a refund on that. Altogether, I’ve bought $120 worth of product… anyone here had any experience with returning stuff? I might just be interested in sending back 2 almost totally full bottles (Ammo and IG) and one 1/4 full bottle of IS to trade for A314… and then if that doesn’t work for me, just call it a loss, I guess. But, I don’t know if I should even try that. It seems unlikely that A314 is going to work for me if Ammo and IG didn’t, right? ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172/2 "2011-05-04T16:02:57Z")
> [@woahfee](#): > > I just want to say right off the bat that there is no way I’m overdosing. I’m a 37 year old guy and I have always only ever done 1 or 2 sprays of anything that is supposed to be “sexual” at all in or is a -stone product. > > The only product that I may have had any positive feedback from others about is IS. I have had zero luck with Ammo or IG or TUTH. I haven’t done enough testing on IO or IJ, but I didn’t really notice anything. > > The worst is what happened last night. I took a shower and then put 2 sprays of IG on my neck and decided since I hadn’t had any reaction to anything on its own thus far to spray 1 shot of TUTH on my left forearm and then rub it into my right forearm, so that each arm had a 1/2 spray of TUTH. > > Nothing happened except my wife was in a rotten mood this morning and said the bedroom stinks “like old musky smell”. LOL. I asked, "Wait, ‘musky’ or ‘musty?’ and she said “Well, both!” We went through every possible thing it could be and she said it wasn’t the trash, the incense, the closets, my shoes or even me (she smelled my neck where I sprayed the IG last night). I think her reaction was to the sprays, though. Don’t know what else it could be. > > I’m starting to think about that refund policy… I don’t want to ask for any refunds until I’m absolutely sure I am done with this stuff because I feel like why would they ever want to sell me anything again if I tried to get a refund for everything? I’m sure they wouldn’t. I still want to do more testing with IG because I have heard that’s like A314 light (and cheap!) and Ammo (because it would be great if it worked)… IS might have worked on me, I don’t know. Probably wouldn’t try to get a refund on that. > > Altogether, I’ve bought $120 worth of product… anyone here had any experience with returning stuff? I might just be interested in sending back 2 almost totally full bottles (Ammo and IG) and one 1/4 full bottle of IS to trade for A314… and then if that doesn’t work for me, just call it a loss, I guess. But, I don’t know if I should even try that. It seems unlikely that A314 is going to work for me if Ammo and IG didn’t, right? What effects were you trying to get. I can relate and understand to your frustration but sometimes that musky/musty smell at times can be related to the IG, I get where you’re coming from with that because I sensed a little of it when I wear anything that’s AndrostERONE based. However I think it compliments well with a stronger alpha personality. I think also because your wife is used to your natural mone signature that you’re getting those kinds of effects from her. Have you tested this outside of people who know you very well? ---
**Author:** ![xev](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xev/32/1993_2.png) [@xev](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xev)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172/3 "2011-05-04T16:09:35Z")
Woahfee, I don’t have any experience with the Androtics refund policy, but another option might be the trading post thread, where you could sell or trade products that are not working for you. You could also call Steve and get some feedback on how you are using the products. Just from the one example you described, I wonder if you are just not using the products optimally. First, IG and TUTH don’t strike me as products that are easy to combine. They have pretty different effects. If your wife was in a rotten mood, TUTH would be exactly the thing NOT to use (or at least, you shouldn’t be surprised that your use of it did not resolve her bad mood). IG, IS, or IH alone would be better for that. The more I read about TUTH, the more it seems like a product that is significantly more tricky to use than some of the other [social pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) mixes. Regarding your wife’s reaction to the smell, people vary in their ability to smell androstenone. Some people are extraordinarily sensitive to it, and will smell it as a unpleasant body-odor kind of smell. Also, women respond differently at different times of their hormonal cycles. Just some suggestions; hope any of it helps. ---
**Author:** ![Marc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@Marc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marc)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172/4 "2011-05-04T16:15:48Z")
Hi Woahfee, I just read another thread of yours and the first thing I can see is that you have had some effects from the stuff you’ve bought. You saw some effects and some self-effects from the Instant Shine and you also saw some effects from Ammo and IJ on the subway. So far, so good. You know they work. Now, here for the tweaking to get them working for you. Your missus is not giving you the responses you want with IG, Ammo, TUTH or IJ. Firstly, it is tricky getting your other half (particularly of 11 years) to all of a sudden change her response to you. It takes time and correct dosing of the correct product (s). For me, IG, Ammo and IS are not the best products either generally or with my other half. That is just the way it goes for me but everyone is different. For your other half, I would be tempted to try the sample of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), first by itself and then with IJ. She may respond better to the closeness and rapport-building of IH than the overt sexuality of TUTH and Ammo on you. IJ I tend to find (bizarrely) is not as overtly sexual as TUTH, so may be a better fit for you. I find it more commanding so it makes me more able to steer things sexually. And just a quick note about IS; the self effects will wear off, that is pretty much unavoidable but the effects will still keep hitting others, so by wearing it you should be achieving at least one of your goals; that is making others feel good. There are very few products in my experience that will give self-effects day after day - A314 is one of them. You may also find that using IH will work on others in making them want to be more talkative with you. Give it a whirl. AD’s refund policy I believe is no-strings attached so don’t worry about returning stuff - they won’t hold it against you! Good luck, Marc > [@woahfee](#): > > I just want to say right off the bat that there is no way I’m overdosing. I’m a 37 year old guy and I have always only ever done 1 or 2 sprays of anything that is supposed to be “sexual” at all in or is a -stone product. > > The only product that I may have had any positive feedback from others about is IS. I have had zero luck with Ammo or IG or TUTH. I haven’t done enough testing on IO or IJ, but I didn’t really notice anything. > > The worst is what happened last night. I took a shower and then put 2 sprays of IG on my neck and decided since I hadn’t had any reaction to anything on its own thus far to spray 1 shot of TUTH on my left forearm and then rub it into my right forearm, so that each arm had a 1/2 spray of TUTH. > > Nothing happened except my wife was in a rotten mood this morning and said the bedroom stinks “like old musky smell”. LOL. I asked, "Wait, ‘musky’ or ‘musty?’ and she said “Well, both!” We went through every possible thing it could be and she said it wasn’t the trash, the incense, the closets, my shoes or even me (she smelled my neck where I sprayed the IG last night). I think her reaction was to the sprays, though. Don’t know what else it could be. > > I’m starting to think about that refund policy… I don’t want to ask for any refunds until I’m absolutely sure I am done with this stuff because I feel like why would they ever want to sell me anything again if I tried to get a refund for everything? I’m sure they wouldn’t. I still want to do more testing with IG because I have heard that’s like A314 light (and cheap!) and Ammo (because it would be great if it worked)… IS might have worked on me, I don’t know. Probably wouldn’t try to get a refund on that. > > Altogether, I’ve bought $120 worth of product… anyone here had any experience with returning stuff? I might just be interested in sending back 2 almost totally full bottles (Ammo and IG) and one 1/4 full bottle of IS to trade for A314… and then if that doesn’t work for me, just call it a loss, I guess. But, I don’t know if I should even try that. It seems unlikely that A314 is going to work for me if Ammo and IG didn’t, right? ---
**Author:** ![thegentleman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegentleman/32/1770_2.png) [@thegentleman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thegentleman)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172/5 "2011-05-04T17:10:33Z")
> [@xev](#): > > You could also call Steve and get some feedback on how you are using the products. Call Steve, he’s a wealth of information and he can get you on the right track. Also would like to address what has been said both by P51 and XEV. If you’re expecting results from your wife, it could take some time. She’s already used to you and knows who you are to the core. So all of this change right now can actually be causing you to get “bad” reactions. Subconsciously she’s waking up with a stranger in her bed. She doesn’t know why, but you’re not the same guy. Your best effects that you will see right away are from people you don’t know, or only see occasionally. That could include co-workers you are not working next to for 8 hours a day. If you tested this at work, it will be easier to see reactions from people you have a baseline on how they react to you, but only see you briefly throughout the day. You can also test this out in stores, or other locations where its appropriate to be somewhat social like Church, or some kind of group you hang out with every couple of weeks. Hang in there. I hate to see anyone give up on what can be some life changing opportunities. Call Steve, vent, but explain how and when you’re using this stuff and let him guide you. its not just part of his job description, but his passion. ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172/6 "2011-05-04T17:47:48Z")
I think you should follow the advice given and give Steve a call. Trading up to A314 could be problematic if our not seeing results. A314 requires some work from the user for you to really notice the effects, and if your not noticing anything with some of the simpler products, you may want to hold off on that. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/this-stuff-is-not-working-for-me/50172/7 "2011-05-04T20:16:32Z")
I’ll chime in that TUTH hasn’t gotten those, jump in my pants, responses from my wife, A… more socials like [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and the rone of IG is a bit better for closeness. Even A314 is more comforting for her than the wham bam thank you maam signal of TUTH… Once closeness is achieved, it can be escalated… I posted about it here: > [@TUTH Immunity... Is it possible? How to conteract it!!!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tuth-immunity-is-it-possible-how-to-conteract-it/42693): > > Ok, in one of my orders, I was sent a gift of TUTH togo (Thanks again AD! AD is GREAT!!!) I have tried out TUTH fearing it’s effects… so I took it slow…I wasn’t looking to OD from the get go… smiley And just to test the mones out, I DID NOT try to initiate during these times… I have tried it on the evenings where I thought things would go well, she was relaxed, having fun. BUT, when I applied 1x TUTH, nothing but a peck on the check and that’s it. Next evening when the time looked right … I found that the call to AD was a great help. I’ve spoken with Steve and will give some excellent insights on how to use the mones. I’ve also spoken with John who is also a good resource on how to use mones. .