# thoughts on the evolution of human response to pheromones (aka talking out of my ...) **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [June 24, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554 "2010-06-24T00:55:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![hoplessly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hoplessly/32/2319_2.png) [@hoplessly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hoplessly)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/1 "2010-06-24T00:55:19Z")
I’ve thought a lot about how humans may have developed behavioral responses to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Why do different races have different signatures. Why are some cultures more erone based and some more none based. I’ve come to believe the darkest mone is erone. None is in your face, can trigger aggressiveness in men, can scare or attract women but in the end it’s very direct. Erone is much more subtle. Why fight when you can get a none guy to fight for you? Erone is commanding. People want to follow the erone guy. The guy with social power is the one that people want. People definitely want to follow the high erone/none guy. I apologize if any of this comes across as racist. I am just trying to get a feel for how human civilization and social structures may have influenced mone signatures in certain races. Look at how A1 breaks down. The breakdown of a molecule is going to be determined by physics. Temperature, bacteria count- but the breakdown itself isn’t necessarily evolutionary driven. Our response to these molecules, however, are evolutionary driven. A1 is present in the sweat of a healthy male. We know that A1 has calming comfort effects on women especially those that are pmsing. Wouldn’t do any good to piss off an aggressive male. The presence of this molecule would encourage pair bonding and of course this is natural selection. But what is also present in a healthy male is a higher testosterone count. I keep thinking a lot of adverse effects from a1 could be a result of a1 being used out of context. I’m curious to see if the population of men that experienced depression had much lower testosterone counts in their blood. Early man with high testosterone is very aggressive. Aggressive males can scare away the women because bad things could possibly happen. Could evolution have preselected men that had something to balance this aggressiveness? physical activity is a stress reliever. Could A1 have been a result of natural selection? A1 is probably a by product of natural metabolism from a male with healthy levels of testosterone. I’m sure other byproducts occurred but this one happened to be a calming one. a1 breaks down to nol which breaks down to none. High quality testosterone male who has comfort attraction and then sexual attraction. Varied temperatures, different bacteria cultures on skin, all of these will affect the rate of breakdown. Now I haven’t read too much up on mones that women produce but I imagine a lot would make men more compliant and willing. I might be talking out of my ass right now but these were just some thoughts i had about mones. more thoughts later… ---
**Author:** ![hillke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@hillke](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillke)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/2 "2010-06-24T01:14:45Z")
Thoughts are great, I know I just posted a similar essay on ethics and morals and all that for the exact same reason… It is entirely possible what you say about the nol/none early man and leadership or mate quality, but it may have more to do with the genetics. Granted pheromones can send vibes of attraction but this is likely hardcoded out of a genetic disposition rather than a sensory disposition. With natural selection, the males who are athletic, aggressive but not overly, and have the ability to father a good child were selected for millenia even before humankind was evolved. There have been studies, and I remember one in particular, that have linked scent to genes. The study told many different guys to sleep in a shirt after showering in the same situations. Afterward they gave those shirts to a panel of women and told them to rate them by scent appeal. I don’t remember what corrolated to what, but the women were consistently selecting the same results almost exactly. My premise is that the pheromones and scents we give off are indicators of our genes which, until very recently evolutionary speaking, we haven’t been able to conceal. Therefore, women have a preprogrammed, or at least used to, sense of smell that good genes appeal to. With the advent of body wash, cologne, perfume, and the like, all this goes down the toilette (hah). As to the bacterial breakdown of mones on skin, there isn’t hardly enough bacteria on our bodies to produce this effect any more, thank you daily showers. All in all, on track. It’s always good to hear other’s musings. They can be really insightful at times. ---
**Author:** ![hoplessly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hoplessly/32/2319_2.png) [@hoplessly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hoplessly)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/3 "2010-06-24T01:31:06Z")
> [@hillke](#): > > With natural selection, the males who are athletic, aggressive but not overly, and have the ability to father a good child were selected for millenia even before humankind was evolved. that’s a good point. As homo sapiens we’re just spin offs of previous ancestors. We are utilizing ancient communication methods that are still active. Perhaps not as active as it was before but it’s still there. I know there are studies that showed during times of stress- women prefer the signature of those that are dramatically different. And in non stress they prefer the signature of those they grew up with. The dramatically different preference, they theorize, was too create the strongest healthiest offspring, they needed to be as genetically different than the pool they are used to. you have a good point. signature is definitely a way of communicating genetics. the detail about the same shirt being picked by all the women- i want to smell like that guy! ---
**Author:** ![hillke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@hillke](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillke)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/4 "2010-06-24T02:12:34Z")
Not really, well you might, but why not put on some [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) and leave that guy in the dust? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![hoplessly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hoplessly/32/2319_2.png) [@hoplessly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hoplessly)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/5 "2010-06-24T03:05:36Z")
> [@hillke](#): > > Not really, well you might, but why not put on some MX297 and leave that guy in the dust? 😃 Done… and DONE! ---
**Author:** ![hillke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@hillke](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hillke)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/6 "2010-06-24T04:51:32Z")
Forget Old Spice, that guy should be wanting to smell like me! 😃 Hello ladies! Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, and back at me. Sadly, he isn’t me. But I don’t smell like him. ---
**Author:** ![jeffrey34](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a9adbd/32.png) [@jeffrey34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jeffrey34)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2010, 3:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/7 "2010-07-12T03:32:00Z")
I’ve always felt that pheromones were a leftover sort of physical attractant that was more important along time ago, I’m talking like hundreds and thousands of years ago. Before humans were the species homo sapiens. I think now we are able to make the final decision due to the evolution of our brains, however before pheromones may have played a better part. However, I think pheromones still have a physical effect which if one is unknown can overtake someone. But I think pheromones are playing to a evolutionary past body reaction. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/thoughts-on-the-evolution-of-human-response-to-pheromones-aka-talking-out-of-my/39554/8 "2010-07-17T18:30:19Z")
Well Geogi informed me once that bacteria that occur naturally on human skin convert certain mones in stages…A1 converts to Anol which is then converted to None and then to useless smelly funk. This makes sense from an evolutionary perspective in a sort of symbiotic relationship with our bacteria. A man see’s a woman and gets nervous and starts sweating a bit releasing his A1. He makes his approach and the A1 helps put her in a calm relaxed state. Now interesting idea here. It’s said that A1 can cause depression in men so his signal is also an attempt at disheartening his competition. The depressed males sulk off and leave. Now the bacteria convert his A1 to Anol making verbal communication easier and more enjoyable for the female. Hopefully the male is able to keep the female interested and comfortable with him long enough so that when the bacteria convert his Nols to None it helps to escalate to a sexual encounter. With regards to Rone, it’s production increases somewhat with age, so it’s logical that we evolved to see Rone as a status and respect product. Since prehistoric ancestors lived in tribal societies where the oldest males usually held a position of leadership based on their experience and wisdom and as such probably had the most wealth and influence within the tribe. It’s attractive because as a man of power and influence his approval would be essential for the survival of females. A female might be attracted to a younger None heavy male but the presence of a Rone heavy older male might cause her to resist that attraction because in the long term the influence and power of the tribal elders made their approval more important for the survival of her and her offspring than the health and fitness of a single male. You see today where older established males in species will unite to retain their power against the ambitions of lone younger males. Something I considered about P86’s "instant airbrush effect. While standards often change one fairly consistent feature of physical beauty and attraction is bi lateral symmetry. I wonder if the molecule P86 is a phermone who’s production rate is in direct relation to a persons bi lateral symmetry. IE the more genetically fit and balanced a person is, the more P86 they naturally produce.