# Tigerlilly's Reports **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Journals\ **Created:** [March 2, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666 "2009-03-02T19:48:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/221 "2009-05-05T17:25:24Z")
Report XXXVIII **Product Name, Scent & Strength:** Mx300 **Application Dosage & Locations:** 2 sprays to neck +1 spray 3 hours later **Environment Tested In:** Restaurant & Bar **Self Effects:** None - felt nothing. **Effects to Others:** Was ignored, walked over, looked down on, and generally thought of as a bother. Waitstaff treated us horribly. We were the last to be served and anything to do with us was like a “bother” to them. We had to get our own table, grab our own silverware, etc. There was NO respect vibe, no care vibe, no DHV vibe - I was treated like garbage. People did not like me. I was considered a lowly irritant, someone who was little more important than a piece of poo. **Duration of Effects:** About 6 hours **Range:**?? **Time Exposure:** Instant ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/222 "2009-05-05T17:36:02Z")
Report XXXIX **Product Name, Scent & Strength:** Mx300 **Application Dosage & Locations:** 4 sprays to neck **Environment Tested In:** Office **Self Effects:** I feel really dizzy. I don’t like this feeling at all. I feel almost sick. I do NOT like Mx300. I don’t think I like -rone. 😕 I’ve never been around A314 or I/G, so I can’t really say for sure if that’s what bothering me with this mix. Whatever it is, i do NOT like it. I dont get a good vibe, I’m irritable, I irritate others, I feel sick - yuck! Forget this! I think I respond much more to -none men anyway. Looking above at the TUTh experiment and the high levels of -none I was _happy_ to be around, and now with this irritated/yucky experiment… Also, I am reviewing the men I am attracted to - they are all highly aggressive, highly masculine, high testosterone producing males. I can’t find the thread right now, but I will keep looking - there was a thread that talked about the differences in men being -rone producers or -none producers. I think I am a -none liking lady. 🙄 **Effects to Others:** One co-worker is calmer and more talkative. He seems friendlier. Another co-worker is more on edge & aggressive - he previously has responded very well to TAH. One female co-worker and I got into a Mexican standoff this morning. She’s an arrogant pissy brat. Thinks _way_ too highly of herself. **Duration of Effects:** unknown - still testing. Don’t care much. Mx300 is NOT for me. Yuck!! **Range:** Largest diffusion was about 6-8 feet, indoors. **Time Exposure:** about 1-2 mins _**A note on the [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/)**_ AD is testing a new Neroli scent with this mix. It seems lighter on application, almost like a grapefruit scent, but then the musk and orange comes out. it’s more of an advanced scent - it smells less like a walmart perfume and more “adult.” Also more masculine. very clean. I didn’t like it at first, but once it matured (took 3 mins) then it smelled nice. it also lasts a bit longer than the older one too. Probably about 30-45 mins. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/223 "2009-05-05T17:38:23Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > LOL. Now that is true love. I think he is hooked. Nice report and congrats. Thanks Bossshank - You are a true pleasure to have hanging around here. 🙂 I am very glad that you pop in and read. He was very reluctant to admit that he had the whole original series on DVD… until he heard about my star trek freakness - put it all in perspective, really! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/224 "2009-05-05T17:41:48Z")
Diane - What’s your take on “layered” mixes vs “bottled” mixes? I like my standard mix enough to bottle it (once I figure out the math, ugh), but I don’t know how that will “change” it. You mentioned before how when you layer mixes, the order effects phero applications. Regarding my default mix (EST/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/)/P86/Cops/Betanol/TAL or TAH), what would you expect to find in a) different layering order or b) a bottled mix of it?? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/225 "2009-05-05T18:09:11Z")
'none women like _badddd_ boys 😃 im finding your experiments with MX300 very interesting. they are opposite was the product was created for. i have used MX300 only twice, and found i needed more sprays to get what i got with MX134, but i continue to chalk that up to it being a to-go spray and not a full bottle like my MX134. i get total opposite reactions, a “yes ma’am what can i do for YOU ma’am” reaction with it. very interesting that you get ignored … maybe Jasmin has insight as to different types having different experiences? _hoping Jasmin’s phero-sense is tingling_ ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/226 "2009-05-05T18:14:10Z")
> [@](#): > > AD is testing a new Neroli scent with this mix. It seems lighter on application, almost like a grapefruit scent, but then the musk and orange comes out. it’s more of an advanced scent - it smells less like a walmart perfume and more “adult.” Also more masculine. very clean. I didn’t like it at first, but once it matured (took 3 mins) then it smelled nice. it also lasts a bit longer than the older one too. Probably about 30-45 keep in mind that what you “percieve” about a scent being masculine might have something to do with [male pheromones](https://phero.com/) in them 😃 just a thought ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/227 "2009-05-05T18:22:55Z")
More masculine in relation to the old [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/), that’s all. And by “masculine,” I mean cleaner, less girly. More “axe” smelling. I actually can’t smell the pheros - I tried. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/228 "2009-05-05T18:27:23Z")
Okay, i think it’s official - i HATE -rone!! I got a sample of a body lotion that’s spiked with anol and -rone - I am now DIZZY and have a SPLITTING HEADACHE. I am wearing 4 sprays Mx300, which already made me feel yucky, and (accidentally) applied this lotion. I didn’t realize it was spiked. Or I forgot. I dunno - whatever it is, I’m stupid, and now I am in HELL. 😠 Okay, having some trouble breathing - in a CLOUD of -rone… ugh, I hate this!! Head hurts sooo bad. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/229 "2009-05-05T18:29:48Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > 'none women like _badddd_ boys 😃 Hmmm… no, I do _not_ like “bad” boys. I like aggressive, highly, highly masculine ones. Super macho, Army, law enforcement, counter terrorism boys. “Good” boys, but definitely _masculine._ Not to say that -rone isn’t masculine - just a very different type. (i think…) ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/230 "2009-05-05T18:30:16Z")
Headache getting worse… 😠 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/231 "2009-05-05T18:37:58Z")
the purpose of neroli is both sillage and cover-up. “sensing” a gender in a scent after being exposed to pheromones makes me question all gendered smells, unless they are essential oils, _and even THEN_ some essential oils have molecules similar to hormones that affect us. i.e., we cant always smell what pheromones are in what, which is a GOOD thing, LOL . if i could smell 'rone specifically in MX300, im not sure i would wear it. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/232 "2009-05-05T18:39:37Z")
I am still being talked down to - a coworker walked by and snapped “what are you doing?!” He was suspicious and seemed to distrust me. Another coworker is still being snappy to me. I am not liked today. By them or by me. 😠 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/233 "2009-05-05T18:44:27Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > the purpose of neroli is both sillage and cover-up. > > “sensing” a gender in a scent after being exposed to pheromones makes me question all gendered smells, > unless they are essential oils, > _and even THEN_ some essential oils have molecules similar to hormones that affect us. > > i.e., we cant always smell what pheromones are in what, > which is a GOOD thing, LOL . > > if i could smell 'rone specifically in MX300, im not sure i would wear it. I was just trying to comment on the scent, that’s all. 😉 It smells more similar to masculine scents then feminine scents, IMO. I am shorter tempered and more confrontational now… Probably the headache. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/234 "2009-05-05T18:52:03Z")
people behave snappish when they feel threatened. its possible that others at work (your environment where rank is considered) are feeling less competent with your authorative vibe going on. id wash it off if i were you. headaches arent fun. im curious if this is all about the 'rone, 'rone is supposedly a female uplifter. i find this mix feeling almost identical to IS/A minus anol with added 'rone, but there has to be something disagreeing with you in there. 'rone is all i can think of, unless its the scent itself… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/235 "2009-05-05T18:54:41Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > I was just trying to comment on the scent, that’s all. 😉 > It smells more similar to masculine scents then feminine scents, IMO. im not sure i am comming across the way i meant to… i mean, if we judge _the same smell_ **without** pheromones in it, im wondering if you would still feel the way you do now about the smell. the pheromones, whether you can detect them or not, must be doing something,right? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/236 "2009-05-05T18:56:29Z")
_laughs like bevis and butthead_ heh heh hehe heh- we are playing journal-tag 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/237 "2009-05-05T19:11:08Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > people behave snappish when they feel threatened. > > its possible that others at work (your environment where rank is considered) are feeling less competent with your authorative vibe going on. > > id wash it off if i were you. > headaches arent fun. > > im curious if this is all about the 'rone, > 'rone is supposedly a female uplifter. > > i find this mix feeling almost identical to IS/A minus anol with added 'rone, > but there has to be something disagreeing with you in there. > > 'rone is all i can think of, unless its the scent itself… I am getting the same/augmented vibe from the psycho spiked -rone lotion too, with a different scent, so I think it’s the -rone. Ugh… I am not being treated with any respect or augmented authority though - I am being talked _down_ to. This is the opposite of any kind of DHV molecule I’ve ever tried. These aren’t the reactions of someone who is threatened. these are sneering reactions of someone who _does_ feel better than you. 😠 I am trying to analyze my behavior, to see if my actions are influencing this - I generally have one attitude and face at work - bubbly, gregarious, friendly, and _commanding._ I am much more quiet today, but not “bitchy.” It takes a lot to get to bitchy. I just analyzed my interactions with The Pastor (good work friend) and he’s normal towards me, and I am normal towards him. We’re not talking _as much_ as we usually do, but I am very glad, as I am _hurting_ over here. If it matters - My period started today too. I do not experience PMS though (thank you god) so that’s not it. ---
**Author:** ![Tigerlilly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tigerlilly/32/2257_2.png) [@Tigerlilly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tigerlilly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/238 "2009-05-05T23:31:49Z")
It’s official - I **HATE** MX300! Talk about a horrible day. I had to work with Social Security and the DMV today. It was horrific. This was “instant patronization” and “instant irritation” towards me. I was snappy, irritable and annoyed with the world. The world was patronizing and irritated with me. “Instant Obstacles.” “Instant sneer.” “Instant Condescension.” God, today was awful. 😠 Around 2:30 I felt the MX300 fog of doom and gloom lift from my brain. Thank GOD. I am not more or less back to normal. Tired, but back to my normal happy self. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/239 "2009-05-06T15:18:53Z")
> [@Tigerlilly](#): > > Diane - > > What’s your take on “layered” mixes vs “bottled” mixes? > > I like my standard mix enough to bottle it (once I figure out the math, ugh), but I don’t know how that will “change” it. You mentioned before how when you layer mixes, the order effects phero applications. > > Regarding my default mix (EST/P74/P86/Cops/Betanol/TAL or TAH), what would you expect to find in a) different layering order or b) a bottled mix of it?? I couldn’t tell you, Tigerlilly. Since we all respond differently to pheromones, you’ll just have to mix some up, test it against layering in different orders, and tell us. The math for dilutions is: _**# sprays x (mcg per spray/ Total # sprays)**_ _ **= mcg/spray final mix** _ Example: I want to dilute P96. I have 50.0 mcg per spray. I want 5.0 mcg/spray. Here’s how I get it. I mix: I mix 1 spray of 50.0 mcg per spray P96 with 9 sprays diluent or mix solution for a final volume of 10 sprays. _**1 spray x (50.0 mcg per spray P96 /10 total sprays) = 5.0 mcg per spray P96**_ If I wanted 10.0 mcg/spray, I’d spray 2 sprays of 50.0 mcg/spray P96 and add 8 sprays of diluent. This is the easiest mix method. But you can also measure the volume, rather than spraying. The math for that is: _**# mL x (Part mcg per spray / Total # mL in mix)**_ So, for the example above (10.0 mcg/spray P96 final) would be: _**2 ml x (50.0 mcg/spray P96 / 10 ml total = 10.0 mcg/spray P96**_ Notice to get the final volume, you ADD total mL’s (or sprays) of P96 plus your total mL’s (or sprays) of diluent or mix to get the total volume. That is the part that kind of confuses some people. You divide by the total ending volume (or number of sprays), not total diluent. My mix calculator looks like this: **# sprays/ Pheromone / initial mcg per spray / Total mcg / Total mcg/spray** **/ Pheromone** An example will look something like this: 2 sprays \*\*/ Betanol \*\*\*\*/ **25.0 mcg per spray** / **50.0 total mcg** / **5.0 mcg/spray** / \*\***Betanol \*\* 4 sprays / EST **/** 50.0 mcg per spray **/** 200.0 total mcg **/** 20.0 mcg/spray** / \*\* \*\*EST **4 sprays** / diluent with cops \*\*\*\*/ \*\*NA \*\*/ **NA** / **NA** / \*\*\*\*diluent with cops \*\* _ **10 sprays total** _ \*\*/ \*\*-- \*\*/ \*\*-- \*\*/ \*\*250 mcg total **/ 25.0 mcg/spray total / –** \*\*/ \*\* So my final mix in this example contains 5.0 mcg/spray Betanol and 20.0 mcg/spray EST. To make sure all the spray volumes are equivalent, I transfer everything to 5.0 mL To Go! bottles before mixing. I mix by spraying everything into an empty To Go! mix bottle and sussing. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666/240 "2009-05-06T15:43:26Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > the purpose of neroli is both sillage and cover-up. > > “sensing” a gender in a scent after being exposed to pheromones makes me question all gendered smells, > unless they are essential oils, > _and even THEN_ some essential oils have molecules similar to hormones that affect us. > > i.e., we cant always smell what pheromones are in what, > which is a GOOD thing, LOL . > > if i could smell 'rone specifically in MX300, im not sure i would wear it. I wonder if Androtics decided to put Androstenone back in MX300? This is really interesting, Lor. I’ve been thinking about this smell component to pheromones lately. And I’ve been looking a little bit at the research, again. Seems that fertile women can’t smell _Androstenone_ or _Androstenol_ as well (some not at all) at the end of their cycles or when they are pregnant. They smell these more strongly during ovulation. To menopausal women they stink. Fertile women are attracted to these musky scents, and find them attractive close to and during ovulation. Androsterone normally smells really good, somewhat akin to a light melon scent to me, even at 50.0 mcg/spray. I could _bathe_ in it, it smells that good to me. But today, it smells like pipe tobacco. It is not a bad scent, but not as attractive as the melon scent it had to me before. TAA smells earthy, like loam. P86 smells earthy like loam. P102 smells like light vanilla. P103 smells like caramel coffee. I could go on… But the scents change for me. I’m sure it is the same for others as we cycle, age, or whatever. Over and over again on the forum here I see reports of people who have opposite or different smell reactions to the same molecule. The one consistency I see in my own self-testing is that any pheromone that smells really good to me, I respond well to. Those that I can’t stand the smell of, I OD really easy or have bad reactions with them. Diane [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666.md?page=11) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tigerlillys-reports/26666.md?page=13)