# Tips and Thoughts for you who worry about your looks. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 5, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368 "2007-03-05T21:38:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/241 "2007-03-26T01:12:35Z")
Do looks really matter? Well this is a little of what happened to me last night. I have studied PU for a while now and basically follow the Magic Bullets teachings by Savoy, but also incorporate some DeAngelo, NLP, and a bit of everything all thrown into make my own mix. What can I say I like to mix.😃 Anyhow I finally got around to reading The Mystery Method and decided last night I would induct myself into the newbie mission. My biggest obstacle was adhering to the Mystery Method and not using any of the other tools I have. I need to do that so I can affirm how it works. Anyway guys, I am not a good looking guy by anyones standards. For the longest time I thought it so mattered but believe me I was so wrong. It only matters to those who make it an issue. I saw more ugly guys than me, with some very hot women and believe me they were not just friends. It just goes to prove it that it only matters if you make it an issue. My friend was sitting at a table in a club kind of looking like a fern! Anyway he was talking about this HB9 and I was like go meet her dude. He was like dude, look at her and the guys around her. I was like OK yeah so. He is not initiated into the PUA lifestyle so I decided why not show him. Yeah he was right every AFC great looking model type guy in the club was trying to talk to this babe. Well I did my set and before 5 minutes her and her other babe friend were dirty dancing with me on the dance floor. When I came over I saw every one of those AFC’s looking down at the fat ugly guy. Now if I had been much better at my Mystery game it would have ended better than it did, but still all the same. Those two girls were totally into me, not the models. I had them laughing, I had the opportunity for a great kiss close, at the very least a number close, but I screwed it all up. Anyway the moral of the story: Looks only matter to those who make it an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 1:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/242 "2007-03-26T01:26:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Anyway guys, I am not a good looking guy by anyones standards. For the longest time I thought it so mattered but believe me I was so wrong. It only matters to those who make it an issue. Isn’t everything like that?: organic food is only valuable to the health conscious, art only matters to art farts, knowledge of the Holy Bible only matters to devout Christians, etc. Personally I like to look good for myself and don’t give rat’s tail what most other folks think. I like being fit, toned and also keep my car, guitars and house in top condition. I like my ducks all in a row. I do it for me, not for friends or lovers. They gotta take me as is. If you do it mainly for other people it’s an endless and frustrating task. You’ll never win. Although I prefer physically attractive women their education, lifestyle and personality are just as important and some combination thereof may override their physical imperfections. I think many women think along similar lines. It’s the total package, not one component that makes the deal. A great personality or bag of money can make up for physical imperfections to some extent. ---
**Author:** ![CuriousPUA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CuriousPUA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CuriousPUA)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/243 "2007-03-26T01:37:54Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > Do looks really matter? Well this is a little of what happened to me last night. I have studied PU for a while now and basically follow the Magic Bullets teachings by Savoy, but also incorporate some DeAngelo, NLP, and a bit of everything all thrown into make my own mix. What can I say I like to mix.😃 > > Anyhow I finally got around to reading The Mystery Method and decided last night I would induct myself into the newbie mission. My biggest obstacle was adhering to the Mystery Method and not using any of the other tools I have. I need to do that so I can affirm how it works. > > Anyway guys, I am not a good looking guy by anyones standards. For the longest time I thought it so mattered but believe me I was so wrong. It only matters to those who make it an issue. > > I saw more ugly guys than me, with some very hot women and believe me they were not just friends. It just goes to prove it that it only matters if you make it an issue. > > My friend was sitting at a table in a club kind of looking like a fern! Anyway he was talking about this HB9 and I was like go meet her dude. He was like dude, look at her and the guys around her. I was like OK yeah so. He is not initiated into the PUA lifestyle so I decided why not show him. > > Yeah he was right every AFC great looking model type guy in the club was trying to talk to this babe. Well I did my set and before 5 minutes her and her other babe friend were dirty dancing with me on the dance floor. When I came over I saw every one of those AFC’s looking down at the fat ugly guy. Now if I had been much better at my Mystery game it would have ended better than it did, but still all the same. > > Those two girls were totally into me, not the models. I had them laughing, I had the opportunity for a great kiss close, at the very least a number close, but I screwed it all up. > > Anyway the moral of the story: Looks only matter to those who make it an issue. My thoughts embedded into a field report 😃, well done man, that was an awesome post. How did you approach? What did you do for the first few seconds and how did it go from there? Did the guys that were trying to correctly game her try to cockblock you? Interesting stuff man. ---
**Author:** ![CuriousPUA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CuriousPUA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CuriousPUA)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/244 "2007-03-26T02:26:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Isn’t everything like that?: organic food is only valuable to the health conscious, art only matters to art farts, knowledge of the Holy Bible only matters to devout Christians, etc. You cannot really compare it like that. If you eat organic food, your body will become more healthy, regardless of how your stance on the issue is. Just to surface things: Looks matter, sub-communications matter, inner-beliefs matter, appearance matter; they all do. But here is the trippy part: They always have at least the minimum effect in spite of your stance on the issue. It’s like math, minuses and pluses vary the minimal effects of each trait. It also varies on the woman, man or group and the social environment. But where I’m coming from is if you let go of everything that society does to put people into a box, you are FINE. Make your own rules by not obeying those of the society. > [@](#): > > Personally I like to look good for myself and don’t give rat’s tail what most other folks think. I like being fit, toned and also keep my car, guitars and house in top condition. I like my ducks all in a row. I do it for me, not for friends or lovers. They gotta take me as is. If you do it mainly for other people it’s an endless and frustrating task. You’ll never win. Although I prefer physically attractive women their education, lifestyle and personality are just as important and some combination thereof may override their physical imperfections. I think many women think along similar lines. It’s the total package, not one component that makes the deal. A great personality or bag of money can make up for physical imperfections to some extent. Yepp, this is the same with me. But what I was talking about is the impact these things have on other people. I have always said that if you constantly grow and you have a life you are happy with (be it one which fills the societal requirements), you will be complete, or at least a better person
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**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 2:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/245 "2007-03-26T02:35:45Z")
> [@CuriousPUA](#): > > My thoughts embedded into a field report 😃, well done man, that was an awesome post. > > How did you approach? What did you do for the first few seconds and how did it go from there? Did the guys that were trying to correctly game her try to cockblock you? > > Interesting stuff man. Well it was only my second approach on the night. We started out in the Hard Rock CafĂ© but it was dead. This was a club with a funky hip hop band. The music was booming and the band was awesome. I never heard a better cover of Prince ever. Anyway I just went right up and asked the guys if they ever heard this band before. The HB’s friend who was also an HB said yeah, so I asked what the bands name was. She didn’t know the name so I was like oh she’s a lot of help while rolling my eyes. A couple of guys were like instant jerks to me like chill out dude. I saw instantaneously none of them knew them, it was so obvious. I used Mystery’s ESP routine (one of my favorites) on the HB’s friend and got both right. The HB after being ignored by me started jumping and say do me, do me. I turned looked at her and said something like Jee, I thought we could at least dance or something first before I do you. This got a bunch of smirks from the guys but her friend loved it. The HB just stood there with an I cant believe you just said that look, but quickly started to smile. She grabbed my hand and said well I guess we’re going to have to dance then. I pulled her back a bit toward me and said only if you ask nice. Cockblock the Jock said you don’t have to ask me nice, I’ll dance with you. He tried to grab her hand but she pulled away and said please, pretty please to me. I told her that still wasn’t meeting my standards and my 11 year old cousin could ask better. Her friend pushed her closer to me and whispered something in her ear. The HB looked me right in the eyes and said please will you dance with me, pretty please will you dance with me, oh pretty pretty please will you dance with me or are you going to make me beg some more. I tell you it was her blue eyes that did it. We were on the dance floor dancing away. Cockblock numbers 2-4 arrived and started dancing all around her and her friend who joined us. They tried to get in but every time they got closer to the girls the girls got closer to me and moved away. All in all it was a lot of dirty dancing. I definitely blew it at the end though. My friend was a lame duck and I messed up my ESP routine and the alcohol kind of got to me. On a good note the HB told me she will definitely be there next Saturday and would love to dance with me again. It could have definitely went better but it was my first night trying out Mystery’s stuff. The biggest problem of the night was I got drunk and I shouldn’t have because I didn’t know the game good enough yet. ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2007, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/246 "2007-03-26T03:36:02Z")

 [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) help, much? loll ---
**Author:** ![CuriousPUA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CuriousPUA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CuriousPUA)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 12:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/247 "2007-03-27T00:54:52Z")
Cool field report man
 At least the dude you were with could NOT believe it
 true? But good choice ignoring her and then playfully qualifying her like that, hehe. But man, what I wanted to see there was SteveO - Alchohol + Isolation. The thing about dancing is that when you dance, you control her pretty much, so lead her of the floor and get some water, voila! Peace and quite for perfect game to be run. But I liked the approach, especially how funny and “OWNed” those guys must have looked like. 😃 And the Cockblocking Jock was great
 “you don’t have to ask me nice, I’ll dance with you.”, and she PULLED AWAY and said pretty please to you, hahaha
 Oh my this is fun, and I encourage you to drop the attitude of using one method at a time. I for once like to look through them first with opening in mind, discard what I don’t like and merge the things I like. Like Qualification, I can write a pretty dense article on that with what I’ve gathered
 Maybe I’ll let you guys on here have an idea 🙂 Ps. what pheromones did you have on? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 1:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/248 "2007-03-27T01:18:52Z")
I could definitely have done better, but I really wanted to use just TMM. Only because I really like the concept. So I blew it, but I had fun blowing it. I had a bottle of Ammo in my pocket but I forgot to spray it so nothing but SteveO. I might have had some on from hours before, but I’m pretty sure I wasn’t wearing anything as far as pheromones. I totally could have done better with the isolation, but I was just so impressed it was actually working. As far as my friend he just doesn’t get it. I even went over everything I did and his response was I think her friend liked me. I was like “dude you sat in a corner alone and drank a beer all night! The girl didn’t even know you existed.” I need to find some wings in the Memphis area. I know PFC is here and also on TMM forum, but he is so much younger than I. I have searched yahoo groups and found the Memphis Lair, but its inactive since last year. Looks that way anyway. TMM only has a Cleveland Lair up so far. Anyway I’ll be going out sarging by myself for a while it looks like, but it takes its toll on DHV. You got to start somewhere and this is my start. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2007, 3:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/249 "2007-03-27T03:50:11Z")
Well, I’m gone for a few days, and the dam bursts! (_This will take some time to digest_) ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/250 "2007-03-28T19:23:04Z")
btw, just came up with an example
 Jay-Z & Beyonce 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FinallyFree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@FinallyFree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FinallyFree)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2007, 3:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/251 "2007-03-29T03:54:01Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > wow, i think ive concluded to myself that alot of the men here go for the same type of woman,lol. > > i think what i heard here is “dont worry about your looks,its more important that you have money. thats what they are looking at” > > am i wrong? 😉 If that were ture i.e. “Girls are looking for money”
 Heck I have a great job, I dress well, I present myself well and Drive Top of the Line Lexus Sedan
 Why in the world any girls are looking at meeeeeeeeeee - DAMN!!! LOLs ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/252 "2007-04-04T07:37:45Z")
> [@Matthew1982ct](#): > > Go for 16 year olds. You’ll be glad you did when you’re 21 and they’re 19 😉 > > Matt Spoken from the heart of wisdom, Matt. You’re a generous man. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/253 "2007-04-04T14:05:01Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Although I prefer physically attractive women their education, lifestyle and personality are just as important and some combination thereof may override their physical imperfections. I think many women think along similar lines. It’s the total package, not one component that makes the deal. I’m with you here.. I look for inner beauty in a woman, solid character and that something which strikes me. It may be the way she speaks or a certain movement of her arms, whatever. Of course I have to like her so I prefer somebody who is beautiful inside and outside too. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2007, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/254 "2007-04-05T00:16:47Z")
Yes it is so true that you have to like someone inside just as much as looks. There are lots of shallow people who would marry the HB10 model type, but after she gets mauled by an escaped orangutan from the local zoo there’s no more beauty. They leave. Now that is shallow. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2007, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/255 "2007-04-05T06:12:33Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > There are lots of shallow people who would marry the HB10 model type, but after she gets mauled by an escaped orangutan from the local zoo there’s no more beauty. They leave. Now that is shallow. Outer beauty doesn’t seem to last forever I think. Or it doesn’t stay the same way
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**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2007, 9:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/256 "2007-04-05T09:07:00Z")
I see no problem with the superficial in the short term. Relations built upon the superficial are destined for failure which makes them alright in short term. For the longterm, there’s gotta be more there. ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2007, 7:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/257 "2007-04-07T07:42:11Z")
Ohh man
 I’m starting to worrry
 I have a VERY young lookin face (“baby face”)
 I typically wear ammo and shit and am just worried that when women detect the pheros and notice me they prolly thinkin to themselves that they’re htinkin bad thoughts about being attracted to like a 15-year old dude
 cuz i always get quick glances.. either that or.. idk ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/258 "2007-04-07T21:22:39Z")
> [@smn1234](#): > > Ohh man
 I’m starting to worrry
 I have a VERY young lookin face (“baby face”)
 I typically wear ammo and shit and am just worried that when women detect the pheros and notice me they prolly thinkin to themselves that they’re htinkin bad thoughts about being attracted to like a 15-year old dude
 cuz i always get quick glances.. either that or.. idk No, I don’t think that they think that
 Just don’t worry. Try not to shave everyday, perhaps that helps. ---
**Author:** ![Quicksilver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/quicksilver/32/1328_2.png) [@Quicksilver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Quicksilver)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2007, 12:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/259 "2007-04-08T00:37:36Z")
> [@smn1234](#): > > Ohh man
 I’m starting to worrry
 I have a VERY young lookin face (“baby face”)
 I typically wear ammo and shit and am just worried that when women detect the pheros and notice me they prolly thinkin to themselves that they’re htinkin bad thoughts about being attracted to like a 15-year old dude
 cuz i always get quick glances.. either that or.. idk Wearing ammo and shit WILL get you a quick glance, and that’s about it. Are they avoiding you too? I tend to avoid the smell of shit myself. Cheers, 🆒 Quicksilver ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2007, 7:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/260 "2007-04-08T07:53:10Z")
Why just the quick glance.. I hate that
 it’s like
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