# Tips and Thoughts for you who worry about your looks. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 5, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368 "2007-03-05T21:38:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![CuriousPUA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CuriousPUA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CuriousPUA)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2007, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/81 "2007-03-11T18:32:26Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i have to comment on this,smooth. > > guys often keep opinions _that are just opinions_ to themselves out of fear someone will take it the wrong way. > > hey,girls sometimes do,too. > > kudos,brother.🆒 Hahahahaha. Yeah, I’ve told guys they’re handsome and they look good in certain clothing and the look on their face is like “Whaaaa? Man, I’m not into that, but thanks” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/82 "2007-03-11T18:38:28Z")
> [@CuriousPUA](#): > > …All in all, Steve, great job and you’re just another example of what should be inspirational to guys who have not yet walked that path. Thank you! I’d give some rep points but I gotto spread the love some more so I owe you. ---
**Author:** ![CuriousPUA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CuriousPUA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CuriousPUA)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/83 "2007-03-11T18:44:51Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Ah yes, another graduate of Psychology 201. Perhaps meaningless to you. And perhaps meaningless to me at certain stages of my life. Nevertheless, there is a time to make house and a time to scatter seed. Right now I’m “blowing in the wind.” The goal of my life is not to have a lasting and deeply fulfilling relationship, although it would be nice again at some point. But then if I only wanted to get my rocks off I could simply take matters in hand. I actually like people and greatly enjoy the company of my female friends even when sex is the primary attraction. I have other fish to fry and don’t want to get tied down. > > As for “ego-busting marriage and/or divorse [sic],” I’m still close friends with my ex-wife. We’re both professional musicians, share common businesses but merely grew apart as husband and wife. Heck, we still travel together and hang once in a while. We’ve both happier with less of one another and, I must say, my ego is more bloated than ever! Cool man, happy for you. My friend is an aspiring musician that is always pretty down because he has to work (construction work) daily instead of getting to play his intrument all day long, so it must be hard in this line of work, I don’t know about you though, are you successful to the point you can stop working(not saying musicians don’t “work”) and live just by playing your instrument ? (be it your computer if you’re into that) ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2007, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/84 "2007-03-11T19:06:55Z")
What is what relative to what… News flash here from the peanut gallery. Skills are specific actions, like tactics are in miltary operations. They have to rest on a larger understanding of life. ---
**Author:** ![CuriousPUA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@CuriousPUA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CuriousPUA)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/85 "2007-03-11T19:12:10Z")
> [@Nunya](#): > > living lives of quiet desperation… > > anyways - i don’t know how i missed this thread…but all i have to say is that i dig looks in a guy. They will always hook me. But a vibe between us is what will keep me intrigued. That doesn’t mean they have to have the right job or the right car or take me out to the latest fresh new spot or whatever. > > I just need someone who digs where i’m coming from. sympatico and all that. > > also i think it’s sort of flawed to presume that women don’t know what they want. We know what we want. we may tell you on thing and do another, but that’s jsut how that goes. And it’s all subjective. > > Jackass on you might be a total turnoff - but jackass on soembody else can be the hottest thing ever. > > Nice on you might be totally attractive - but nice on that jackass over there - well he’s jsut a jackass. > > It’s not that we don’t know what we want - we just know it when we see it. I’ve seen girls that hate jackasses but when seeing a guy with congruency, acting the same way, will despite the fact that she “knows what she wants” persue him. I think you girls in here have taken this out of all context. Girls will know if they like the more dominant behaviour from a guy or not. They will know if slow talkers with deep voices get to them or not. They will know what they prefer in bed, being slapped on their ass or threatened their life or romantically held close; it differs, YES, I did not go into that because I thought you guys would see that. But a girl will certainly not like a guy soully on his looks, she simply will not. If you’re a 10, good for you, you’re life will be easier, but for you who are 6’s, congrats: you can get the same results as the 10. Don’t believe me ? That’s your choice. But I’ve seen 6’s CRUSH 10’s, more then often. I mean, they were totally OWNED, like the thing you so called “ugly” guys only DREAM of doing except this is happening every day and every night and it’s real, very real. And their often times also getting women that value looks immensely but because of the emotional spike they create, “it doesn’t matter”. It’s ridiculus, they’ll almost get every type of woman if they calibrate their behaviour around them. And THAT’S what Nunya was talking about, she was saying that a guy that cannot calibrate to the **emotional** wants of a girl (being a jackass or a nice guy) will not attract her. But guys, don’t take this the wrong way. You’ll still have to be strong individuals and have a strong sense of self even if you alter a little to calibrate to the wants of a certain woman. And again girls, what I say is not meant to define ALL women in the world. You’re all different, VERY different (I love that about women, not a single one is the same) but you, as us men, have all the same biological needs and wants. That’s all I’m saying. I agree with your philosophy about 10’s but I say that THAT can also be defined as to how looks do NOT matter. It’s what I said before, read it again for details, but basically I said that a handsome guy gets success when he’s young and that grows into massive success later on. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/86 "2007-03-11T20:57:59Z")
Because it depends on where you are on the emotional development scale, the intellectual development scale, and the economic power scale… For example, there are guys who have tremendous economic power, trivial to poor emotional development, and look, well… as if they could put more work into their physical presentation. The do get a certain woman, a woman with specific expectations… Other people relate on the plane of intellectual development, statistically there’s a higher percentage of IQ 100 than IQ 130… but often the IQ 100 will have an EQ of like 150 and the IQ party of 130 will be an EQ moron… Generally, people match up best when their intellectual development AND their emotional development are closely matched, then there is the feeling of being well aligned or being on the same page, and physical appearance is secondary. Or maybe not. There is a narcissism quotient… there are those who are narcissists-by-extension… they HAVE to have a beautiful object of worship on their arm at all times… and this can be equally true of men and women… even if the person on their arm is the jerkiest jerk that even strode on two legs… as long as the public loves it, that’s all that counts… when I was in high school there were non stop ego driven hook ups, we hardly had the insight then to see it for what it was, we being starstruck by the beautiful guy meets beautiful girl fairytale dynamics… which was as often as not laughable bullshit under the surface… what did we know ? Sometimes they even married, reproduced, and had beautiful disgusting neurotic kids who thought they could only be loved by being beautiful… leading, it appears, to a host of eating disorders and a deep market for plastic surgery… nose jobs to the rescue ! ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2007, 11:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/87 "2007-03-11T23:24:14Z")
> [@CuriousPUA](#): > > I’ve seen girls that hate jackasses but when seeing a guy with congruency, acting the same way, will despite the fact that she “knows what she wants” persue him. because that’s what she wants. She may tell you one thing, but clearly she’s going after him, because he has what she really wants. > [@](#): > > But a girl will certainly not like a guy soully on his looks, she simply will not. If you’re a 10, good for you, you’re life will be easier, but for you who are 6’s, congrats: you can get the same results as the 10. yes. if you’ve got something the girl in question wants. > [@](#): > > And THAT’S what Nunya was talking about, she was saying that a guy that cannot calibrate to the **emotional** wants of a girl (being a jackass or a nice guy) will not attract her. yes and no. Yes if you are already calibrated in that direction. But to constantly makes changes in who you are to suit soemone else is just lame. Eventually you have to be you. And that will get lost if you are always changng who you are to suit soemone else. Might work for a fling, but if you are thinking about soemthing long-term, eventually masks are gonna fall. > [@](#): > > But guys, don’t take this the wrong way. You’ll still have to be strong individuals and have a strong sense of self even if you alter a little to calibrate to the wants of a certain woman. yes - which is what i’m saying above. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/88 "2007-03-12T03:16:31Z")
[quote=“tacitus, post:86, topic:2368”] Because it depends on where you are on the emotional development scale, the intellectual development scale, and the economic power scale… For example, there are guys who have tremendous economic power, trivial to poor emotional development, and look, well… as if they could put more work into their physical presentation. T\*\*he do get a certain woman, a woman with specific expectations… \*\* Delicately put… There is a shift in the tide in London following the evolving interpretation of divorce law. [Till dosh us do part-Life & Style-TimesOnline](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article573090.ece) > [@The Times](#): > > But it is the social implications of recent judgments that concern senior lawyers. “ **If you’re a well-off man, or are likely to achieve wealth in the future, you’d be absolutely bonkers to get married from a financial point of view** ,” says James Turner QC, who represented Pamela White in the Lords and has been instructed by Alan Miller in his attempt to take his own appeal there. > … > Back on the romantic front line, Britain’s more eligible bachelors appear to be warier than ever. “I’m meeting gold-diggers all the time,” says Brian Johnson [not his real name], a 34-year-old software multimillionaire from north London, who has been looking for a while to settle down. With around £10m to his name, he says he cannot trust the single women he meets in the private members’ clubs and restaurants where he spends his evenings. He will now date only women he knows have their own independent wealth, such as those who come pre-vetted by Seventy Thirty, a dating agency restricted to “millionaires and high-net-worth individuals”. > > “With these women in the clubs, you can see their attitude change once they find out I’m loaded,” Johnson says. "And you’re thinking, before the divorce laws changed, they might have taken me for half a million, maybe a million, which is still bloody good work for a couple of years. Now, not only will they get half my assets, and a lot more if they’ve got a clever solicitor, but they’ll also get a big chunk of my future earnings. > > “I’d love to get married,” he says, lowering his voice. “The truth is, I feel so lonely it’s unreal. But tell me one thing: for all this government’s talk of promoting family values, how on earth does the law protect the man at all?” > [@](#): > > Other people relate on the plane of intellectual development, statistically there’s a higher percentage of IQ 100 than IQ 130… but often the IQ 100 will have an EQ of like 150 and the IQ party of 130 will be an EQ moron… High EQ seems to be less rare than high IQ, would you say? (Not that high IQ, by itself, is good for all that much). ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 11:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/89 "2007-03-12T11:30:21Z")
i would think High EQ would be less rare. simply because many people come from a family. and i think your relatives are who teach you to relate, for better or worse. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 6:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/90 "2007-03-12T18:36:38Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Delicately put… There is a shift in the tide in London following the evolving interpretation of divorce law. > > [Till dosh us do part-Life & Style-TimesOnline](http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article573090.ece) > > High EQ seems to be less rare than high IQ, would you say? (Not that high IQ, by itself, is good for all that much). Mmmmmm… as with all things, the unintended consequences begin to compete with the desired outcome… although I’m no so sure how carefully these decisions are considered… Here in the USA there has been a veritable explosion in the Sex Worker industry… so much so that in the Upper east Side of Manhattan you have west of Lexington Ave, which is the land of billionaires, high profile marriage, and so on. Then you have east of Lexington which is a warren of “service providers” where the gentlemen to the west can unburden themselves… I think it was reasoned through that paying up front, by the hour, was a far better choice, economically, and frequently emotionally, than engaging in these abnormal _pas de deux_ that are supposed to serve as “meaningful relationships”… so one must ask, in all seriousness, who are the real _whores_ here ? The one who puts her cards on the table, gives a man an hour or two of great sex, some intelligent companionship, bolsters his ego, accepts an established rate, and leaves no mess in her wake, in other words, an honest player in the scheme of things ??.. or.. the one who goes through the motions, feigns whatever is needed to establish matrimonial symmetry, and then somehow arrives at the conclusion that the whole thing was a horrible mistake and wants out, and her lawyer will be in touch shortly ? I’d extend myself on this one and say, at least among the rich to the super-rich, that the greatest _whores_, in the fullest sense of the word _whore_, are those who go to the greatest lengths to present themselves as otherwise… among the sex workers I have known, some quite well, they may be sexual and make no apologies for being sexual, over and above that, people of infinitely greater integrity than the hustlers working the bars, clubs, restaurants, the same ones who would be horrified and insulted if you called them to their faces exactly what they are… ---
**Author:** ![smn1234](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/smn1234/32/2430_2.png) [@smn1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smn1234)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/91 "2007-03-12T18:45:17Z")
what age group are we talkingh ere? ---
**Author:** ![Gem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Gem](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gem)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/92 "2007-03-13T08:44:43Z")
Did anyone see Stelio’s new girlfriend?? This is how much looks matter when you have £500million in the bank 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 10:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/93 "2007-03-13T10:10:19Z")
How about Peter Stringfellow. And he’s only worth circa. $30 million. Roman Abhramovic is getting divorced. He offered his wife $1.8 billion and she rejected it - claiming she deserves $7 billion; roughly half his net worth. That works out at $5.6 million for each time they had sex. Assuming they had sex 3 times a week for the 8 years of their marriage. Matt ---
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 10:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/94 "2007-03-13T10:13:56Z")
Reminds me of what **Aristotle Onassis said to Maria Callas:** “The profile of my money stacked up in a pile, is better than even Clarke Gable’s profile” Matt ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 10:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/95 "2007-03-13T10:19:50Z")
thats creepy,matt. that is the equivalent of the old days, when a man’s worth was how many farm animals he had. girl “oooh look how many sheep he has. all those sheep…they are getting me so hot…” heh heh, creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 10:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/96 "2007-03-13T10:23:38Z")
I should prefix that by saying she commented on his (lack of) height the first time they danced; and he started by saying, “don’t worry most women just picture me standing on my money…(and then the Clarke Gable bit)”. Maybe Kanye West said it best, “Yell, we want pre-nup! we want pre-nup!” Matt ---
**Author:** ![Gem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Gem](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gem)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 12:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/97 "2007-03-13T12:07:52Z")
Ahhh Good old uncle Pete… ---
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/98 "2007-03-13T12:22:03Z")
You never fail to impress me! Matt ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/99 "2007-03-13T17:05:29Z")
So… welcome to reality, circa 2007 Every time the legal system “wins”.. the real underpinnings of relationships and marriage break down… most women I know, once you cross a threshold of intimacy, initiate The Marriage Conversation… and more and more men that I know, and this includes middle class guys who don’t want the extra grief… especially guys who have been through one divorce and got the full taste of the process, are choosing the sex worker option… there are better, more professional sex worker websites with ratings systems, and so on… it’s becoming a legitimate professsion, like gambling, excuse me “gaming”, was a generation ago, taboo then, normal accepted thing to do now… the family values movement is pulling in one direction, telling folks what they **ought** to do, cool clear reality is pulling in another direction… a few hundred for some outstanding sex, as needed, no muss, no fuss is sooooo much easier than complicated, convoluted relationships, or option B, wasted time and hangovers from bars, or option C, screwed up marriages that turn into shouting matches and the constant threat of going legal… you know the number of times I’ve heard tell of an argument escalating into “I’m seeing my lawyer TOMORROW MORNING !”… Personally, I think this dynamic is heavily engineered by the legal industry itself, which is the primary beneficiary of human strife, and therefore has perfected th art of maximizing matrimonial strife as a matter of professional competence… since the rude stats are at least 35% of marriages end in divorce… not the 50% often quoted, but 35% is high enough… Can we see where this is all going ? Obviously the Sex Worker industry is going to gain ground, with more levels, up to something like rent-a-wife or neo-Geishae.. 🆒 🆒 🆒 And if the pundits and moralists and flag wavers can’t deal with it, they’re going to get awful sore necks looking in the other direction… which will generate a boom in Chiropractic services… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368/100 "2007-03-13T19:42:52Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > …I think this dynamic is heavily engineered by the legal industry itself, which is the primary beneficiary of human strife, and therefore has perfected th art of maximizing matrimonial strife as a matter of professional competence… since the rude stats are at least 35% of marriages end in divorce… not the 50% often quoted, but 35% is high enough… > Can we see where this is all going ? Obviously the Sex Worker industry is going to gain ground, with more levels, up to something like rent-a-wife or neo-Geishae.. Interesting comments on the “legal industry.” From my experience I would have to agree, but also note that there is an entire subculture of bottomfeeders including psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, arbiters, moonlighting judges, etc. that thrive on and encourage the divorce industry. On the “sex worker industry,” you may be right. However, both males and females have a desire not only to have sex, but to breed. At least for many individuals. The sex worker industry isn’t currently geared up for breeding services, although who knows in the future. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tips-and-thoughts-for-you-who-worry-about-your-looks/2368.md?page=6)