# To be less harmless and more polarizing **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [June 16, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931 "2009-06-16T15:08:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/21 "2009-06-19T23:50:28Z")
> [@pherophreak](#): > > Listen to Diamond (Mr. Downy JR.) > > If women often seek you out as Mr Dad then I’m guessing you’re high in the main proponent of Instant Gentlemen (Alpha betanol?) and probably doing well in the -none department as there wouldn’t be a date without some sort of attraction eh? > > Mones surely will help you, but dont forget to work on body language, language, etc. > > Best of luck, im gonna stick around this thread for a while. I was thinking the same thing. I think my body does naturally produce lots of “[Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)” and some “Instant Honesty” based on the way women react to me when I don’t wear pheromones. Most women are not sexually attracted to my natural mix but over the years I have come across several women (about 1 a year) who are very emotionally attracted to my natural mix. When a woman does fall for me, she typically falls very deeply and feels a deeper connection with me than any other man she has been with. Previously freaky women who slept around a lot all of a sudden want to settle down and become a good girl when they meet me. That’s why I think my natural mix is heavy in Androsterone and perhaps Androstenol but I think I’m lacking in -none because almost no women has felt an instant sexual attraction to me but many have felt an immediate emotional attraction to me that eventually turns sexual after some time. Many women have said they love my natural scent and I have even been told that my natural scent is addictive. Tonight I’m going to go out with IJ and TUTH unbuffered and I’m very curious as to the results of this experiment. I’m definitely going to focus on body language, tonality, etc and not drink at all. ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/22 "2009-06-20T01:07:02Z")
I have to say, you have a very interesting journal here, metalTree. Keep up the great reporting! 🙂🙄 ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 8:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/23 "2009-06-20T08:45:29Z")
Night Out with 30mcg of -None I’m just got back to my apartment after a night out in Manhattan. It was a kind of odd evening but not quite what I expected from a -none OD. I went out with the following: 1 Spray [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) to my right side covered by D&G cologne. 1 Spray Instant Jerk to my left side covered by D&G cologne. 1 Spray of TUTH to my stomach 1 Spray of TUTH to my throat In total, this is supposed to be 30mcg of -none. Self Effects I really didn’t feel that much different but there were a few subtle effects. 1. My awareness of my soroundings was significantly increased. 2. My sense of smell seemed slightly improved 3. My general sense of anxiety was lessened. 4. Eye contact didn’t cause as much anxiety as usual. The best word I could use to describe how I felt on this combination of Pheromones was “chill”. People say that Instant Jerk is supposed to make the wearer agitated or angry but this was not the case for me. On the subway, I noticed both men and women look at me more than usual. I don’t know if this was because more people were actually looking at me or if I was just noticing it because of my increased awareness. I usually am very oblivious and I definitely was picking up more visual details than usual with this combination of pheromones. On the subway, there was a girl sitting across from me. I caught here looking at me and I looked right at her and she looked down. She never looked at me again for the rest of the trip. Usually eye contact gives me a jolt of anxiety and is uncomfortable for me but today that anxiety seemed gone. I go to a neighboorhood bar in the lower east side that is always crowded. I walked in and hung out for a little while. For the most part people seemed to respond to me the same way they did when I wasn’t on pheromones at all. The only difference was when I was leaving, I was pushing may way through the crowd to the door. A younger skinny guy was walking in my direction and our eyes met. He looked intiminitated, moved back and said, “You go first.” That is unusual for me so I wonder if the -none made me seem intimidating at that moment. 🙂 Next I go to an upscale lounge and the bouncer looks at me and asks me which party I’m coming for. I told him that I’m not here for a private party. Then the bouncer scanned me and said, “You can come in but if you have friends meeting up with you, they may not make it in.” That was kind of weird because the bouncers normally turn me away in this situation. I wonder if this was a respect hit? Anyway, I ordered a seltzer water and looked for signals from women but I didn’t get any. Perhaps this was the ghost effect that people talked about. I kind of felt invisible at this moment and I left after 20 minutes. Next I go to an upscale lounge/club. The place is pretty empty. No one is on the fairly large dance floor and there are only a handful of people at the bar. I order a seltzer water from the male bartender and sit at the bar sipping my seltzer water. As I’m sitting there, my eyes briefly lock with the female bartender as she is talking to another guy. This is unusual because I’m usually too oblivious to make eye contact with people so the self effects of the spray came in handy here. After a few minutes, the female bartender comes over and chats with me. We engage in small talk for over 5 minutes which is also unusual for me. I’ve sat at bars dozens of times in Manhattan and I have never had a conversation with a hot female bartender for that long. It is the pheromones or just a coincidence? I think the sprays may have increased my conversational ability but the effect was subtle so who knows? Anyway, the bartender told me that the place doesn’t start to pick up until after 12:30AM and it was only 11:30PM so I didn’t want to waste my time. I said bye to the female bartender and she told me the nights she worked and told me to come back. I go to another lounge and this place is a bit more crowded. I go to the lower level and start dancing on the dance floor. I really don’t notice any IOIs and no girls approach me. There was one weird situation where there was this one girl who briefly looks at me. Then she moves 3 feet towards me, bumps into me, and runs away. The a few minutes later she is right there dancing in front of me and bumps me a couple of times but never looks at me so it might me incidental. I touch her shoulder to get her attention and she runs away. The a few minutes later she is dancing right next to me bumping me again and I touch her arm trying to get her attention and she runs away again. Then a few minutes later she is dancing right next to me again so I just ignore her. I wonder if the -none was having a weird affect on her. So I go upstairs and dance a little bit but I’m completely ignored by everyone. So after about 10 minutes, I go back downstairs. I see a girl standing there by herself. She is chubby and not my normal type. She is texting on her phone and somehow I accidentally bumped into her phone. I asked her if it was a blackberry and she said no. But she has the sweetest smile and as soon as I saw her smile I felt an attraction to her. So we talked and danced for a while and got to know each other for a while. I tried to kiss her at one point where it seemed appropriate but she would not have it. We never kissed at any part of the night. I suggested that we get a drink near where she lives and she agreed. So, we walk towards the subway holding hands. While waiting for the subway, we have our arms around each other. On the subway, she put her head on my chest and takes a nap. I’m thinking WTF? She has her head on my chest where there is 27.5 mcg of -none and there is another 2.5 mcg of -none on my thoat above her head. Yet she falls asleep on my like I’m her boyfriend that she has known for years. This is not really what I was expecting from Instant Jerk and TUTH combo. So, we basically cuddle the entire subway ride but she has no interest in kissing at all. We finally arrive at her subway stop and go to a local Irish Bar. (As soon as we get off the subway, she is wide awake) I have my first drink of the night (whiskey) and she drinks soda. We stay at the bar for about 30 minutes. The whole time she is stroking my back and I have my hand on her leg. We are acting like a couple who has been together for a long time. I suggest that we go back to her place to look up something on the internet. She says that she will not take me home tonight but maybe another night. So we leave and I face her to gauge if she wants to kiss. She has her arms around me but she is still not interested in kissing. She sees a taxi coming and tells me that I can take that taxi home. So we walk to the taxi and I say, “See Ya!” to her. She gives me a really pissed off look, turns around, and walks way. So, I’m sitting there in the cab thinking WTF? Why is she pissed off since she suggested that I grab the cab. At that moment, I realized that we never exchanged phone numbers. So there is no way for us to get in contact with each other again. I think she thinks that I didn’t ask for her phone number on purpose. She doesn’t know me well enough to know that I am just absent minded by nature and I do forgetful things all the time. Oh well. Anyway, the 2 sprays of Instant Jerk really didn’t make me aggressive or anyone around me aggressive. I wonder if covering the Instant Jerk with D&G cologne made it ineffective. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Domnk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/domnk/32/2269_2.png) [@Domnk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Domnk)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/24 "2009-06-20T19:23:55Z")
Hmm, the trouble your experiencing could be due to two things, one, the places your applying the pheromones are being covered by your clothing, pheromones work best on an unexposed area of the skin, and, two, do you shake your bottle before each application, this is important factor, because the pheromones need to be equally distributed in the alcohol base. You’ll run into problems if these aren’t remedied. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/25 "2009-06-20T22:46:53Z")
> [@Domnk](#): > > Hmm, the trouble your experiencing could be due to two things, one, the places your applying the pheromones are being covered by your clothing, pheromones work best on an unexposed area of the skin, and, two, do you shake your bottle before each application, this is important factor, because the pheromones need to be equally distributed in the alcohol base. You’ll run into problems if these aren’t remedied. 🙂 I have not been shaking the pheromone bottles. Perhaps I wasn’t getting the doses that I thought I was getting. Also, I’ve been wearing just a T-Shirt so I thought the the pheromones would be able to penetrate that. Perhaps I should try putting the [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) on my wrists and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/26 "2009-06-20T22:59:12Z")
Date with girl from Thursday Night The girl I met on Wednesday night blew me off. She didn’t answer my texts and I think it’s because she is going home after the weekend. But that is just speculation. I had a date with the girl from Thursday night and I wore the following pheromones: 1 Spray of TUTH to the throat 1 Spray of TUTH to the chest We ended up hanging out at a local bar for a few hours in the afternoon. We both liked each other and we had a really good rapport. Eye contact was very good and consistent between us. I could tell that she liked me and she was very comfortable with me but I couldn’t tell if she was sexually aroused by me or not. So, it’s difficult to gauge if TUTH was doing anything or not. We had a couple of little kisses at the end of the date and she expressed enthusiasm about hanging out again. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/27 "2009-06-20T23:52:15Z")
Tonight I’m going to a lounge where I know some of the people but none of them very well. I will definitely be going to this place in the future too. 'm going to go with a more conservative mix and put off - none experimentation for another day when I go places where I don’t know anyone. I’m thinking I spray of TUTH, 1 spray of instant openness, and 1 spray of instant honesty. ---
**Author:** ![diamond](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diamond/32/859_2.png) [@diamond](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diamond)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/28 "2009-06-20T23:55:03Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > Tonight I’m going to a lounge where I know some of the people but none of them very well. I will definitely be going to this place in the future too. 'm going to go with a more conservative mix and put off - none experimentation for another day when I go places where I don’t know anyone. I’m thinking I spray of TUTH, 1 spray of instant openness, and 1 spray of instant honesty. Leave the TUTH in your pocket for later, otherwise you’ll risk giving off a horndog vibe from the start. Double up on the socials, 2 of each 😉 ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/29 "2009-06-21T03:15:45Z")
> [@diamond](#): > > Leave the TUTH in your pocket for later, otherwise you’ll risk giving off a horndog vibe from the start. Double up on the socials, 2 of each 😉 Before I started my journal I did some experimenting wearing TUTH to local bars with young/hot female bartenders unbuffered. One female bartender got weirded out by me when I had 2 sprays of TUTH unbuffered but the others didn’t. I’ve worn 1 spray of TUTH several times and never had any issues. If anything, it makes the female bartenders more chatty with me than they usually are. To be on the safe side I will buffer with 2 sprays of IO and 2 sprays of IH. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 8:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/30 "2009-06-21T08:33:14Z")
Nightclub - Same as no pheromones at all I went to a lounge that was turned into a nightclub for the evening and met a married couple I know there. There were also two hot bartenders that I know there. I wore the following mix - 1 TUTH on stomach 1 IH on throat 1 IO on throat 1 IO on wrists 1 IH on arm (I was aiming for my wrist but I missed and hit my arm) There was a risk wearing TUTH among people I know as Diamond pointed out in a previous post but I took the risk anyway. It turned out OK. The married couple was friendly with me the whole time with no ill effects. The two hot bartenders were friendly as well. The two female bartenders I know both gave me a kiss on the cheek as they normally would. All of the people I knew acted around me just as they would without any pheromones at all. I danced on the dance floor for couple of hours. One girl dirty danced with me for about 5 minutes and then grew board of me. Another girl locked eyes with me and danced with me for about 10 seconds before she got bored. This is all typical behavior of women around me when I have no pheromones at all on. I cold approached one perfect 10 girl at the bar and she was friendly and gave me good eye contact but she got bored of me after 30 seconds of conversation. Again typical behavior of women when I’m not wearing any pheromones. In the past I have found IO to be very useful in bar settings where people are sitting around and talking. But it does not do any good in a dance club settings. It seems to cancel out the positive effects of TUTH for me. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/31 "2009-06-23T05:12:17Z")
New Pheromones - A314 Test I spent the evening at my Parent’s house for father’s day and I picked up my newest pheromones that I had shipped there. I have the following in my Arsenal now: 2 Regular Bottles of TUTH (My favorite for nightclubs) 1 Regular Bottle of Instant Jerk 1 Regular Bottle of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (Great for talking with other guys at bars) 1 Regular Bottle of Instant Honesty 2X 1 Regular Bottle of Ammo 2X (I don’t like the smell of this) 1 Regular Bottle of Alpha 314 2 Togo bottles of Instant Shine 1 Togo bottle of Instant Honesty 1 Togo bottle of Spaceland Wow, I spent a lot of money on these things over the last couple of months. But I’ve had fun with these products so far so it’s worth it. 🙂 I’m not going to make any more purchases over the next six months unless Catlord17’s Panty Scorcher is released. That would be too irresistible not to buy. I hope I’m paying attention when it is released so I don’t miss it. Anyway, I tried Alpha 314 today on the way home from my parents house to NYC. I applied the following: 1 drop of Alpha 314 and applied it behind both of my ears I wore it in the following places tonight: 1. Metro North Train 2. Grand Central Station 3. 6-Train and Train Platform 4. N-Train and Train Platform 5. My Gym during a late night weight lifting session I didn’t notice any unusual behavior from anyone in any of these locations and over the course of the evening I walked by hundreds of people. Of course I’m a pretty oblivious person and I miss lots of details in my environment so I’m not going to draw any conclusions from a single test. I honestly believe this is powerful stuff from the reviews I’ve read from other people. As far as self effects go I might have experienced a slight reduction in anxiety and a slight increase in awareness but these affects were too subtle to be sure if they were from the Alpha 314 or just normal fluctuations that I experience during the day. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/32 "2009-06-24T03:52:56Z")
Supermarket, Local Bar, No Hits Tonight I wore the following Pheromones: 1 Drop of Alpha 314 behind my ears 1 Spray of TUTH to my stomach 1 Spray of 2X [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) on my wrists/Arms I had no hits at the supermarket. I had no hits at the bar either. I sat down at the bar and there were two couples to my left and I tried to engage them a couple of times but they had no interest in including me in their conversation. The guy to the right of me had his eyes glues to the television and was talking to no one. There was a new attractive female bartender at the bar and I chatted with her for a minute or two but there was nothing special about the conversation and I didn’t hold her interest for very long. This is a typical result I would get with no pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/33 "2009-06-24T03:56:49Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > Tonight I wore the following Pheromones: > 1 Drop of Alpha 314 behind my ears > 1 Spray of TUTH to my stomach > 1 Spray of 2X Instant Honesty on my wrists/Arms > > I had no hits at the supermarket. > > I had no hits at the bar either. I sat down at the bar and there were two couples to my left and I tried to engage them a couple of times but they had no interest in including me in their conversation. The guy to the right of me had his eyes glues to the television and was talking to no one. > > There was a new attractive female bartender at the bar and I chatted with her for a minute or two but there was nothing special about the conversation and I didn’t hold her interest for very long. This is a typical result I would get with no pheromones. try this combo… 1x jerk to chest 2x openness to forearms see what happens i’m curious if it’ll work on you as well as it has for me ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 6:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/34 "2009-06-26T06:37:57Z")
Hit with Instant Jerk Tonight I went out with the following Pheromones similar to what meow333x recommended with the addition of A314. 1 Spray Instant Jerk to my Upper Chest Near my throat 2 Sprays [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to my forearms 2 Drops of A314 to my wrists Self Effects - This combination (just like the last time I wore Instant Jerk) made me feel chill and relaxed. I don’t any anger at all from the jerk. I start off the night at a 3 Level bar that’s not really that busy. I hang out for about 20 minutes waiting to see if any women approach me but none do. I go up to the roof deck and there really isn’t anyone that looks approachable. I see two women in the middle of the area at a small round table deeply involved in conversation. But logistics wise, they seem to be the most approachable but I definitely was not expecting them to open. I was pretty sure I was going to crash and burn. I walk up to the two girls and I said something like, “Hi there. What’s going on?” They stop talking and they give me a stunned look. (This is a look that I rarely get without pheromones but I’ve gotten a few times with -none based products.) I apologize for interrupting them because the stunned look took me off guard. They enthusiastically tell me that it’s okay. At this point both of them are staring at me and I make some small talk. Next thing I know, the girl to the left of me is talking non-stop and over time she in touching me a lot. The one in front of me on the other side of the table is a little bit more shy but I keep on seeing her look at me with a wide eyed look of attraction. It is not normal for me to get this reaction from a 2-set so I’m quite sure this can be classified as a hit. The normal reaction I get from 2-sets like this is a little bit of polite banter with a bored look on their face. But I rarely get this deer in headlights look without -none. This conversation was very easy. I asked them a few simple questions and they basically took control of the conversation. I asked an occasional question about what they talked about or made an observation but that’s about it. I got kino from both of the girls at various times in the conversation. Both girls definitely gave me several IOIs but the outgoing girl was a little more forward. Eventually, the outgoing girls says to me, “We have to get going.” I said, “OK”. I continue standing there looking at them and they continue standing there looking at me. She then says, “We had a great time hanging out with you tonight” and I said, “Me too.” We all continue standing there looking at each other. She then repeats, “We had a GREAT time hanging out with you tonight.” At this point it dawned on me that she wanted me to ask for her phone number. But it was awkward because both of them were staring at me and both of them gave me IOIs all evening so I didn’t know which one to ask. So I said, “How can I get in touch with you guys?” The outgoing girl immediately says, “You can take my phone number.” After I got the number they stuck around for a few minutes and left. Both of them insisted on giving me a hug before they left. I went downstairs and danced a little bit but there were not many women. Actually the place had mostly gay men that night with very few women so I figured it was not a great place to pick up women and I left. I go to another bar and I see two women chatting at the bar. I open them and they are immediately receptive with the wide eyed looks and one of them kinos me immediately. But after a few minutes I lost their interest because I started acting like a nerd and saying stupid things. I lost my tonality, game face, and posture. I went to one other bar and tried a few cold approaches but no one opened so I went home. Overall, this pheromone combo is very promising. I thinking about doubling up on the Instant Jerk next time. ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 6:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/35 "2009-06-26T06:45:07Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > Tonight I went out with the following Pheromones similar to what meow333x recommended with the addition of A314. > > 1 Spray Instant Jerk to my Upper Chest Near my throat > 2 Sprays Instant Openness to my forearms > 2 Drops of A314 to my wrists > > Self Effects - This combination (just like the last time I wore Instant Jerk) made me feel chill and relaxed. I don’t any anger at all from the jerk. > > I start off the night at a 3 Level bar that’s not really that busy. I hang out for about 20 minutes waiting to see if any women approach me but none do. I go up to the roof deck and there really isn’t anyone that looks approachable. > > I see two women in the middle of the area at a small round table deeply involved in conversation. But logistics wise, they seem to be the most approachable but I definitely was not expecting them to open. I was pretty sure I was going to crash and burn. > > I walk up to the two girls and I said something like, “Hi there. What’s going on?” They stop talking and they give me a stunned look. (This is a look that I rarely get without pheromones but I’ve gotten a few times with -none based products.) I apologize for interrupting them because the stunned look took me off guard. They enthusiastically tell me that it’s okay. > > At this point both of them are staring at me and I make some small talk. Next thing I know, the girl to the left of me is talking non-stop and over time she in touching me a lot. The one in front of me on the other side of the table is a little bit more shy but I keep on seeing her look at me with a wide eyed look of attraction. It is not normal for me to get this reaction from a 2-set so I’m quite sure this can be classified as a hit. The normal reaction I get from 2-sets like this is a little bit of polite banter with a bored look on their face. But I rarely get this deer in headlights look without -none. > > This conversation was very easy. I asked them a few simple questions and they basically took control of the conversation. I asked an occasional question about what they talked about or made an observation but that’s about it. I got kino from both of the girls at various times in the conversation. Both girls definitely gave me several IOIs but the outgoing girl was a little more forward. > > Eventually, the outgoing girls says to me, “We have to get going.” I said, “OK”. I continue standing there looking at them and they continue standing there looking at me. She then says, “We had a great time hanging out with you tonight” and I said, “Me too.” We all continue standing there looking at each other. She then repeats, “We had a GREAT time hanging out with you tonight.” > > At this point it dawned on me that she wanted me to ask for her phone number. But it was awkward because both of them were staring at me and both of them gave me IOIs all evening so I didn’t know which one to ask. So I said, “How can I get in touch with you guys?” The outgoing girl immediately says, “You can take my phone number.” After I got the number they stuck around for a few minutes and left. Both of them insisted on giving me a hug before they left. > > I went downstairs and danced a little bit but there were not many women. Actually the place had mostly gay men that night with very few women so I figured it was not a great place to pick up women and I left. > > I go to another bar and I see two women chatting at the bar. I open them and they are immediately receptive with the wide eyed looks and one of them kinos me immediately. But after a few minutes I lost their interest because I started acting like a nerd and saying stupid things. I lost my tonality, game face, and posture. > > I went to one other bar and tried a few cold approaches but no one opened so I went home. > > Overall, this pheromone combo is very promising. I thinking about doubling up on the Instant Jerk next time. Sounds like a good night. Also sounds like you’re getting to that point where you start receiving and noticing semi-consistant hits. It only gets better as you learn how to better notice the hits, and use mones more effectivily with your body chemistry. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/36 "2009-06-26T16:12:03Z")
> [@pherophreak](#): > > Sounds like a good night. Also sounds like you’re getting to that point where you start receiving and noticing semi-consistant hits. It only gets better as you learn how to better notice the hits, and use mones more effectivily with your body chemistry. Yeah, I definitely agree with this. I didn’t mention this in the post because I was half awake when I got home last night but I definitely did notice more women looking at me than usual on the subway platforms and subway trains. This usually is the pattern when I wear at least 1 spray of [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) or 2 sprays of TUTH. I still don’t know if more women are actually looking at me or if I just noticed it more because the -none increases my awareness level and decreases my general sense of obliviousness. Also, I think I’m in the same boat as you where I produce very little -none naturally. That’s why I think -none products are very important for me. I kind of wish Androtics had more -none heavy products but it seems like they emphasize socials. ---
**Author:** ![pherophreak](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherophreak/32/1531_2.png) [@pherophreak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherophreak)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/37 "2009-06-27T00:46:34Z")
> [@metalTree](#): > > Yeah, I definitely agree with this. I didn’t mention this in the post because I was half awake when I got home last night but I definitely did notice more women looking at me than usual on the subway platforms and subway trains. This usually is the pattern when I wear at least 1 spray of Instant Jerk or 2 sprays of TUTH. I still don’t know if more women are actually looking at me or if I just noticed it more because the -none increases my awareness level and decreases my general sense of obliviousness. Either way isn’t it a win win situation? If you’re normally oblivious to your surroundings, how are you supposed to notice what IOI’s you get? I’m the same way, so its pretty cool that you would mention that. > [@metalTree](#): > > Also, I think I’m in the same boat as you where I produce very little -none naturally. That’s why I think -none products are very important for me. I kind of wish Androtics had more -none heavy products but it seems like they emphasize socials. Androtics isn’t -none oriented for a reason. Making girls horny just by being around you SOUNDS great, but if you think about the social withdrawal and general awkwardness you feel when you’re aroused in public, its not really a good thing at all! If you’re looking for -none, you could try NPA (never tried it) It’s supposed to have a HUGE amount of -none in it. Ask Catlord or Gegogi about details on that one. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 7:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/38 "2009-06-27T07:00:13Z")
Brutal Night Tonight I did an intense weight lifting session at my gym. Then I went home, showered, put on my pheromones and went out. 1 spray Instant Jerk to my throat 1 spray Instant Jerk to my arms 1 drop of A314 to my wrists 1 spray [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to my left Arm 1 Spray Instant Honesty 2X to my right arm Tonight I did not drink at all. I just ordered Seltzer waters at the bars. Yet I was very incoherent the whole night. This has happened to me occassionally before I started using the pheromones so I can’t blame this on the pheromones. I just get into these funks sometimes. On the other hand I might have ODed on the -none from the Instant Jerk. I’m just not sure. I decided to go to Tribecca which might have been part of my problem. That didn’t seem to be a happening area tonight. So I go to the 1st bar and order a Seltzer water. The I see too girls watching the dance floor area and I walk up to them and open them. I was doing everything wrong, I was pecking in and I was jumbling my words. My body language and tonality were way off too. She just looked at me like I was a complete retard and I felt like a complete retard. I ejected. Then at the other side of the bar I see this girl standing there. I say Hi to her but again I felt somewhat incoherent. She gives me a look like she is not comfortable with me being there so I back off. I hang out for a few minutes and the crowd looks like it’s two huge independent groups. I seem to be the only one solo in the place and that’s kind of awkward. The two girls I opened earlier walk by me to join their group that was behind me and one of the gave me a weird/uncomfortable look. I decided to eject from the venue and I took a 15 minute walk to try to pull myself together. I was trying to get my mind focused on body language, tonality, being relaxed, confident, and Alpha. But I felt totally beta. So I go into the next bar and order a seltzer water in a rock glass. I realized it was a neighboorhood bar when the bartender gave me a confused look. I made a mental note to just suck it up at neighboorhood bars and let them give me my seltzer water in a big awkward soda glass. Better yet, I really should avoid all neighboorhood bars that are not in my neighboorhood. It’s just weird hanging out in a neighboorhood bar in a different neighboorhood by yourself when you really have no good reason to be in that neighboorhood. I observed the crowed for a while and of course everyone seemed to know everyone else. I just left without doing any approaching. Then I went to the lounge at the Tribecca Grand Hotel. There were a ton of hot women outside the place. But it was guest list only and I’m not good looking enough and I wasn’t dressed well enough for them to let me in without being on the guestlist. So they politely denied me entry and I was on my way. I then go to a nearby bar that was pretty crowded. The bar was too busy so I didn’t bother getting a seltzer water. I just hung out in the back and I saw this cute girl sneak a sideways glance at me so I opened her. She was very excited to talk to me and she introduced me to 2 of her friend and her friend was initially excited to talk to me too. We chatted for about 2 minutes. But I was totally not in a flow and still feeling awkward and the just left me standing there after a few minutes. I opened one one other girl but went down in flames so I decided to get the hell out of there. I said bye to the two girls on my way out and they said, “You are leaving?” I said that I had to get going and one of them had a very sad look on her face. WTF? They had no interest in hanging with me so I don’t know why women insist on putting a front up like that. Oh well. So I go to another bar that has a little dance club up stairs. I walk up to the velvet ropes and the bouncer gives me an angry look and says, “Can I help you?” In a very soft/meek voice I ask if there is a cover. The bouncer softens his tone and checks my diver’s license. Then he lets me in. So I go upstairs to the dance floor and dance a bit waiting for something to happen. This really hot blonde girl bumps into me as she walks by and I think it might be an IOI so I open her. For the first 10 seconds she is very receptive but I peck in, jumble my words, and I’m just incapable of having a conversation. So, the conversation ends awkwardly and quickly. I dance for a while and I open up one more girl. I’m still a complete mess and I’m completely incapable of communicating with women tonight. She was initially friendly but after 10 seconds of conversation she gave me a very uncomfortable get the hell away from me look. So I excuse myself. At this point I’m a mental mess so I decided to go home. Just as I get to the station the train is leaving. I missed it by 30 seconds so I had to wait 30 minutes for the next one. ☹ Anyway, I left the bars early so I can regroup for tomorrow night. Maybe I’ll stick to the came combo I did on Thursday night. That seemed to work better for me. I also have to snap out of this little funk I’m in as well before tomorrow night. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/39 "2009-06-27T18:30:54Z")
Ammo - No Hits This morning I cleaned off my previous application points with hydrogen Peroxide and then applied the following. 2 Sprays of AMMO double strength to my chest I went to the farmers market and then Trader Joes. I didn’t get any hits at any of these locations or on the subway. I did strike up a short conversation with an Asian woman in the frozen fish section but she didn’t seem attracted to me in any way. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/40 "2009-06-27T20:57:43Z")
Reflecting On My Goals - ONS I have a very specific short term goal for my social life and I kind of feel like I fall into my old patterns that are preventing me from taking advantage of opportunities. My goal is very simple. I want to experience a few one night stands. That’s it. Simple as that. I don’t want phone numbers or dates. I don’t want a relationship or more friends. I just want to experience a few one night stands. I’m going to give myself 1 year from now to either accomplish this goal or fail. If I fail, I’ll just return to my normal pattern of serial dating and meeting women in every day life instead of bars. But for the next year, I will hit the bars on a regular basis and see if I can become attractive enough to find women who desire me in bed that same night. I want a woman to become massively attracted to me to the point where she wants to go home with me and have a one night stand with me. In NYC, If I go to a few bars/clubs there can easily be hundreds of women over the course of the night in total during the night in these places. If just 1% of attractive women are attracted to me AND open to having a one-night-stand, then I should be golden. I don’t want to follow the sequence of meeting a woman, getting her number, talking to her on the phone, have a few dates, have sex on the 3rd or 4th date, and fall into a relationship. I have done pattern this several times over the course of my life and I certainly don’t need pheromones to accomplish this. I feel like I have had potential opportunities like on Thursday night. The two women I met were both massively attracted to me and I’m sure the [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) I was wearing contributed to that because I normally don’t have that immediate of an effect on women. (Normally a woman’s attraction to me grows slowly over time and by the 3rd or 4th date she is so attracted that I can do no wrong. But I normally crash and burn if I escalate too soon and if I am not patient. All my recent dates crashed and burned because I have been trying to escalate and kino on the first date but that has never worked well for me. But it’s all one big experiment.) Back to Thursday night, there were at least a few moments where one or the other girl was on an emotional high and kinoing me. That is the moment I should have made what the PUA Assanova calls, “A power play.” I should have come up with a reason to go home with her and it’s very possible that she would have said yes. If I had suggested to the outgoing girl to go home with me, I’m sure the shy one would not have cockblocked. But if I had asked the shy one to go home with me, I’m sure the outgoing one would have cockblocked. In any case, I was a complete pussy, and fell into my old pattern of waiting for something to happen. It would have been much better to have gone for the extraction and get rejected than it was to pussy out like I did. Thinking back to the last few months before pheromones and with pheromones, there were several occasions where I was in a conversation with a woman and I didn’t go for the extraction. I got the phone number and went home instead of taking a home run swing and taking the chance of striking out. Based on my short term goals, I should take the home run swing when I get a chance. I think it’s fear holding me back. I’m still a pussy at heart even though I desire to be a powerful alpha male. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931.md?page=3)