# To be less harmless and more polarizing **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [June 16, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931 "2009-06-16T15:08:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/141 "2009-08-24T00:45:32Z")
Update - Girl I had asked girl to come home with me About a month a go I met a girl at a bar and asked her to go home with me. She had declined my proposition but the interaction had picked up after that and we ended up kissing. That field report is [here](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/123). Last night when I was out, I got a text from that girl around 12:30AM. I responded and in the next text she invited me to come over to her place. I hadn’t spoken to her since the night we met and I don’t get booty calls very often so of course I agreed to come over. I grabbed a cab and went over to her place. Once I arrived she gave me a tour of her place and we talked for a little while and we still had good rapport. It was pretty obvious that she intended to hook up so everything progressed smoothly. Afterwards we spent the whole night talking and we didn’t go to sleep until the sun came up in the morning. It was a very positive experience for both of us and she told me at least a few times that she was glad I came over. As far as her motivation goes for the booty call text, I think it had something to do with her dating a guy for the last few weeks who is an asshole and makes her feel horrible. It’s possible that she initiated the booty call as revenge sex to get back at him. Another possibility is that she could tell that I’m the kind of guy that is respectful to women and she needed to spend the night with a guy who actually treated her with respect. What was interesting about this whole thing is that she told me that she wanted to go home with me the night we met a month ago. She told me that when I asked her to come home with me, she reflexively said “No” even though she wanted to go home with me. I wonder if I should have asked her again later in the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/142 "2009-08-24T01:00:16Z")
Congrats. You must have made a heck of a good first impression to get a booty call after a month. Persistence seems to work well with women; as long as it isn’t creepy or needy. You asked her to come home, she said no, but you handled the “rejection” well. Could be just revenge sex but remember the MAN chooses the relationship, keep on being the man and the other guy will fade out of her life, no matter whether she intended it only as revenge sex or not. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/143 "2009-08-24T14:32:50Z")
> [@tezza23](#): > > Congrats. You must have made a heck of a good first impression to get a booty call after a month. Persistence seems to work well with women; as long as it isn’t creepy or needy. You asked her to come home, she said no, but you handled the “rejection” well. > > Could be just revenge sex but remember the MAN chooses the relationship, keep on being the man and the other guy will fade out of her life, no matter whether she intended it only as revenge sex or not. In the hours prior to initially meeting her a month ago I had put on the following: 1 Spray of 1:4 NPA/Cologne mix(Prior to leaving apartment) 1 Drop of A314 (Prior to leaving apartment) 8 Sprays of 80% TUTH (A couple of sprays every hour or so) I think getting the booty call a month after meeting her is proof that the pheromones I put on did in fact give me a very strong sexual vibe. That was one of my main goals with the pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/144 "2009-08-25T04:23:43Z")
8 sprays of turn up the heat?! That seems like a lot. Still us older guys can probably handle the -none… I’ll be a little more adventurous with TUTH and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/145 "2009-08-25T09:36:44Z")
HOT DIGGITY! Way to go man, I hope this wonderful experience continues for you. It’s a wonderful feeling when it’s them chasing you! > [@metalTree](#): > > About a month a go I met a girl at a bar and asked her to go home with me. She had declined my proposition but the interaction had picked up after that and we ended up kissing. That field report is [here](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/123). > > Last night when I was out, I got a text from that girl around 12:30AM. I responded and in the next text she invited me to come over to her place. I hadn’t spoken to her since the night we met and I don’t get booty calls very often so of course I agreed to come over. I grabbed a cab and went over to her place. > > Once I arrived she gave me a tour of her place and we talked for a little while and we still had good rapport. It was pretty obvious that she intended to hook up so everything progressed smoothly. Afterwards we spent the whole night talking and we didn’t go to sleep until the sun came up in the morning. It was a very positive experience for both of us and she told me at least a few times that she was glad I came over. > > As far as her motivation goes for the booty call text, I think it had something to do with her dating a guy for the last few weeks who is an asshole and makes her feel horrible. It’s possible that she initiated the booty call as revenge sex to get back at him. Another possibility is that she could tell that I’m the kind of guy that is respectful to women and she needed to spend the night with a guy who actually treated her with respect. > > What was interesting about this whole thing is that she told me that she wanted to go home with me the night we met a month ago. She told me that when I asked her to come home with me, she reflexively said “No” even though she wanted to go home with me. I wonder if I should have asked her again later in the conversation. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/146 "2009-08-25T12:57:33Z")
> [@tezza23](#): > > 8 sprays of turn up the heat?! That seems like a lot. Still us older guys can probably handle the -none… I’ll be a little more adventurous with TUTH and see what happens. The TUTH I used was slightly diluted with Cologne so it would be the equivalent of about 6 sprays of TUTH. I think that much TUTH is a double edged sword. It seems to drive away some woman as well. I’m thinking that it’s a good way to screen women and find out which ones are looking for some action. Maybe the ones who are driven away by TUTH are not looking for action that night. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/147 "2009-08-25T12:58:52Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > HOT DIGGITY! > Way to go man, > I hope this wonderful experience continues for you. It’s a wonderful feeling when it’s them chasing you! Thanks Evolver! ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/148 "2009-08-25T14:05:13Z")
In regards to the TUTH, I’ve read it tends to be more attractive to women who are fertile. During the fertile part of her cycle, like when she’s ovulating, a woman tends to feel more sexual desire. She also prefers men with more classically masculine facial features. So I guess you’re screening out women who are not in the fertile part of her cycle… interesting. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/149 "2009-08-25T15:29:05Z")
> [@tezza23](#): > > In regards to the TUTH, I’ve read it tends to be more attractive to women who are fertile. During the fertile part of her cycle, like when she’s ovulating, a woman tends to feel more sexual desire. She also prefers men with more classically masculine facial features. So I guess you’re screening out women who are not in the fertile part of her cycle… interesting. I’m also using lots of Androstenone for another reason too. I generally come across as feminine and passive when I don’t wear Androstenone. Many people think I’m gay. But when I wear lots of Androstenone people don’t think I’m gay. Without Androstenone I came across as too harmless. Women think that I’m the type of guy who wouldn’t want to bring a woman home and they are too comfortable around me in many cases I think. Androstenone is supposed to signals dominance and aggression. I want woman to perceive me as a guy who would want to bring a woman home and as a guy who is masculine. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/150 "2009-08-26T01:06:50Z")
Have you tried [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)? I’d think it would have similar effects. If you have tried IJ, how does it compare to Turn Up The Heat? ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/151 "2009-08-26T13:09:41Z")
> [@tezza23](#): > > Have you tried Instant Jerk? I’d think it would have similar effects. If you have tried IJ, how does it compare to Turn Up The Heat? Yeah I have tried [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) and it works really well. I usually use Instant Jerk and NPA before I leave my apartment because they both supposedly diffuse more slowly than TUTH. TUTH supposedly diffuses really fast and hits really hard but doesn’t last that long. (I think this is the case from forum postings I have read although I couldn’t get anyone to confirm this.) But I typically like to spray a couple of sprays of TUTH every hour or two when I’m out. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 1:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/152 "2009-08-27T13:30:05Z")
Nootropics + Pheromones Last night I went out with my friend and his wife. I had the following pheromones: 2 Drops of A314 (LS) 1 spray of my IJ/NPA/Cologne mix I also too the following Nootropics 400mg Caffeine 2000mg of Tyrosine (With B6) - Hour before dinner on empty stomach 770 MG of Phosphatidyl Choline B-Complex 500 MG of Niacinamide With this combo of nootropics and pheromones, I was much more outgoing and confident than usual. I was more in the moment and very talkative. I was also able to drink beer without getting a glazed over look in my eyes which is unusual. The neruotransmitter involved with confidence is dopamine. Tyrosine & B6 are used by the body to create dopamine. So it’s possible the positive effect could have been from the Tyrosine. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/153 "2009-08-27T13:37:11Z")
Interesting! I have to supplement with amino acids and B-vitamins too, but I can’t take Tyrosine because of blood pressure issue. I hadn’t thought about using things like that to influence one’s mental state, but it should have been obvious because I’m already taking glutamine for a reward deficiency. [slaps forehead] 🙄 Great post. Reps. Edit: couldn’t rep you so had to thank you instead. ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/154 "2009-08-27T19:46:17Z")
> [@tezza23](#): > > Interesting! I have to supplement with amino acids and B-vitamins too, but I can’t take Tyrosine because of blood pressure issue. I hadn’t thought about using things like that to influence one’s mental state, but it should have been obvious because I’m already taking glutamine for a reward deficiency. [slaps forehead] 🙄 > > Great post. Reps. > > Edit: couldn’t rep you so had to thank you instead. I think others have tried to rep me before but couldn’t. I wonder if I ever made a post that the moderators here didn’t like. I think I’m forever destined to have a reputation of ‘1’ here. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/155 "2009-08-28T03:22:04Z")
I just repped you and had no trouble doing it. Sometimes if you’ve repped a person you have to pass the reps around elsewhere before you can rep that person again. I think I read something like that around here somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/156 "2009-08-28T03:30:41Z")
Wha you like Nootropics? As do I! B Vitamins are always good too! I’ve been immensely enjoying Aniracetam, a stronger version of piracetam with motivating effects. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/157 "2009-08-28T03:32:07Z")
HA!!! Boosted you up to 2 rep buddy. The more reps the repee has the more reps the repped receives. Comprende? ---
**Author:** ![moonwhisper](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonwhisper/32/1735_2.png) [@moonwhisper](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonwhisper)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/158 "2009-08-28T04:23:34Z")
Yea, which is why you should appeal to Tisha. She has well over a hundred rep power, compared to our little bit. lol I’m pretty sure the whole rep thing is just meant to be a signal to others of your level of experience and accomplishment with pheros. The more times others appreciate what you’ve said, the more reps you receive and the higher your rep power rises. You also increase according to how many posts you’ve made. MetalTree, we know you’re smart, capable and understand what you’re about. Your rep power means nothing to us. So don’t sweat it. ---
**Author:** ![tezza23](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tezza23/32/1375_2.png) [@tezza23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tezza23)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/159 "2009-08-28T05:35:27Z")
Yeah, I’d already repped MetalTree once I think and couldn’t rep him again until I’d spread more reps around. I think hte “Thanks” does count towards reps, just not as much as an actual rep does. Anirecetam huh? I wonder if that’s available in Australia? ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931/160 "2009-08-28T14:09:17Z")
> [@moonwhisper](#): > > I just repped you and had no trouble doing it. > Sometimes if you’ve repped a person you have to pass the reps around elsewhere before you can rep that person again. > I think I read something like that around here somewhere. Thanks moonwhisper. I have a 2 rep power now. 🙂 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931.md?page=7) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-be-less-harmless-and-more-polarizing/29931.md?page=9)