# To the High Schoolers and Young people on this forum: **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 4, 2011, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066 "2011-07-04T06:40:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Aggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@Aggie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aggie)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2011, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/1 "2011-07-04T06:40:07Z")
To the High Schoolers and Young people on this forum, I just wanted to take a minute or two and talk to the young people who are either visiting this forum, or who call it their home. I will turn twenty years old this month, and I can honestly tell you that I was recently in your shoes. Before I get started, I just want to explain a phychlogical principal that I learned in a class called College Intro Psychlogy. It states that people under the age of 19-24 (depending on the individual) normally do not realize that they are just like everyone else, and what happens to other people can happen to them. People under this age generally believe that they are different than everyone else, and that they can control what happens to them. For instance, they believe if they start smoking, they will be able to stop anytime they want to. They believe that they are the exception to every rule. It’s not until their mind matures more that they realize that this isn’t true. My junior, sophomore, and freshman year, as well as my later middle school years were shaped by a desire to be popular and loved by everyone. I wanted to be accepted by people, just like everyone else. The reason I wanted to be accepted was so I could help people that needed help. I wanted to be popular, so I could befriend the unpopular kids. I wanted to be accepted, so I could cheer people up when they were sad. I wanted to be just as adored as the quarterback on the school’s football team, for my own personality. I found myself to be the happiest when I was in a position of being able to cheer people up, or make them laugh. That was my overwhelming desire, and life purpose: To make people happy. It was a burning passion, that beated with every beat of my heart, and was on my mind every waking moment of my life. It was all I wanted to do. I was desperate. One day, before senior year started, I very innocently went on my computer and my homepage was [msn.com](http://msn.com). I saw what I later learned was an advertisment, that looked like a news story that said that scientists have found a way to increase your attractiveness. Now remember, the only reason I ever wanted to be attractive was to make a lot of friends, and make people in general happy. I wanted a compliment from me to mean something - to make someones day. So I clicked on the link, and read more about the product that was being advertised, and I started to believe that this product could help me achieve my goal of, well, in essence, spreading happiness. Through a long series of events that were triggered by my skepticalness and curiosity, I found another site, that a lot of people claimed was better then any other online store for purchasing these products. I went on the site, and saw that it had a very active forum, and offered a $25 [gift certificate](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) . After a while, I realized: Hey - this is free, 20,000 people go on the forum, more than 100 have been on it in the last hour, and it’s not illegal to sell it to kids so it likely isn’t harmful. I ordered two products with the [gift certificate](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-do-i-qualify-for-a-25-gift-certificate/19934) they gave me. I didn’t pay a dime, not even for shipping. The two products that I ordered were appearently designed to make people happy around you, and the other one was designed to make you appear friendly and approachable. Perfect for me, if they work, right? Well it turned out that they did work. There is a certain bio chemical science to it, that I’m not going to go into. I even let friends use them, without telling them what to expect, and they ended up getting the same results. Now even though they work, I still would not go and tell someone younger than upperclass college age that I love and care about to use them. This is because anything that these products can do, you can do. They just make life easier, and easier is not better because at that age, you are developing social skills and I would rather have social skills that I can use when I am naked, than social skills that I have to depend on an expensive spray bottle for. Futhermore, these bio chemical products are only able to do 5-10% of the friendship-building work for you, if that much. You are at an age when you need to be working as hard as you possibly can, at everything you do, so things will come easier for you throughout the rest of your life. It’s like building muscle, easy to do when your young, and if you do it, you’ll be building a healthy body that is easier to excercise as you age. For me, I was at a point where I thought the two products I mentioned eariler would bring me more good than bad, and looking back, I believe they did. You just need to judge your own social skills, critically. You need to see what you can do without a crutch, before you start learning how to depend on a crutch. If a baby learned how to walk by using crutches, he would never learn how to walk right, without them. You need to see social-skill building the same way. Now here is where is gets even more personal, and really deep. My friends, I only intended to use the “socials” as they call the products that I used and have already mentioned. There were other products that were sold, that I intended to avoid simply because I had no use for them. One such product was them that the science community calls “none”, and yes that’s short for something, don’t ask me what. -None- causes people to see you as more sexually attractive then you are. I had no need for sexual attention, because my goal was simply to make people happy, and make lots of friends. I never bought a -none- product, but this company had a practice of sending their clients what they called random free gifts, although for some reason, they kept sending me the same one with every at that time, one that I really didn’t want, had no use for, and even found offensive. But I never complained because it was a free gift. Heres where I want you to relate. One day I ran into a topic on the forum that was describing someone’s experience with the product that they kept sending me for free. After reading his experiences, I figured to myself "You know what - I know who I am as a person, and I would never do anything immoral. I don’t intend to have sex with anyone until I’m married, and then only and always only with my wife, but maybe wearing this -none- infused product that they keep sending me will give me results in the realm of attracting (AS FRIENDS) the kind of people that are very interested in highly attractive people, and the more friends, the better, as long as I know my limits, and I do. So I wore it to school one time. It wasn’t a BAD day, it was kind of okay. I wore it again some more times, and started noticing that I was getting flity looks from girls that previously didn’t paid any attention to me, and even some respect from guys, including the football coach. But I didn’t really know how to be congruent with the “signuture” that my body-chemistry was sending out as a result of -none-. I started wearing more and more sprays, resulting in higher dosages of -none- being on me at a time. And little by little, my social life began to fall apart. I had no idea why, until over a year later. I had learned the hard way what the vetern users of this forum try to tell you every chance they get: -None- at your age, heck, even at my age, and at people older then me’s age, is BAD for you. In high dosages, it makes girls our age UNCOMFORTABLE AND NERVOUS, even scared. In low dosages, it will do you LITTLE TO NO good, because your body would produce it anyway, if you would just workout to the point of sweating, you would be just as attractive as a -none- based product can make you, if not more attractive. At our age, we need to be sweating anyway, because remember our bodies will thank us later in life for working out/running now. I wondered how I went from girls whispering “he’s hot!” about me to my friends to “he’s a pervert”… girls that I don’t even know, mind you. In high dosages, everything you do will seem agressive. Even if you’re just sitting there and minding your own business and accidently glance in a girl’s direction, this stuff has the power to make her think you’re staring her down or that you were looking at her. And you’re not a likeable person when you have this stuff on at your age. Or at any age in too high of a dosage. Walking in front of someone slowly and politely will look like you’re cutting them off for the sake of being rude. That’s what happened to me, and it can happen to you. They say that as long as you are congurent with the bio chemical singals you are sending out, you’re going to be okay, but as your age, you’re not going to be congurent with them, in fact the only place where it would be NORMAL to be congruent with a high -none- signuture is a bar or a club. So wear it to school, and you’re going to AT LEAST be weird. What am I saying here? Don’t use -none- based products if you are a kid. If you’re under 20. If you are 20-25, only use one spray of [AMMO](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) , mixed with heavy socials. Try Androsterone. Try [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Try [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) /honesty. Try the things that are good at helping you make friends. And don’t even use them too much. Pheromones should not replace trial and error friendship building by having conversations and being a normal person. If you’ve been using -none- based products and you’re under 20, come off of pheromones slowly but surely. Start using Androsterone. Androsterone is beautiful. It is everything that successful men are. Learn how to be congruent with Androsterone in your daily life, and you won’t need pheromones, ever. You’ll spend your money on dates with lovely, high class, smart, beautiful women instead. But if you have anylized your socal skills, and believe that if you never learn another social skill or gain a bit of confidence again, what you have now is enough to get you through life, and you don’t need to learn anything else, and you are ready to start using a crutch - If you believe you have learned ENOUGH about how to survive on your own without any crutches and your social skills are perfect (hopefully not until your 11th or 12th grade years AT LEAST) then use Androsterone, Shine, Openness. But STAY AWAY FROM THE -NONE-. It will mess up your life. You don’t need it. You already have it. Work out instead. You have probably read reports on it. It is very tempting. But DON’T do it. You may even think that you can use -none- because you have been, and have been getting away with it. I promise you if you give it time, you will thank yourself later for coming off of the none. Futhermore, it is often said, that science does not yet know what kind of harmful things pheromones may be doing to a young persons body, because they are still developing. It’s not illegal because the government doesn’t really know enough about it yet. But be smart. Aggie ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/2 "2011-07-05T17:07:09Z")
Well everyone is different and some younger kids do and should use NONE products. We set up certain products that way so they can be tested by everyone and customized to fit the individual. So what works for you, might not work for everyone else. I could have used some none in my life easily when I was in HS. It would have served me quite well actually. Other than that, this is a great post. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/3 "2011-07-06T00:16:25Z")
Its a interesting post and I agree with many points. Since you directed me here I am assuming you want my opinion on the subject. On [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) use… I agree to some extent. Middle school, freshman’s, sophomores and some juniors should stay away from anone mixes. I have talked about this before in the forum. However when your getting up there near the end of puberty (17 to 19)… Senior year for most, you can use small amounts. It depends on the person really, what they are trying to project and if they are mature enough to handle what it is they are projecting. I think the 17 to early 20’s have to definitely be more diligent about there dosage and pay attention to how they are effecting those around them as well as there own behavior. They also need to learn to use anone correctly but I wouldn’t say Never wear it. I feel AMMO is a very well buffered choice for them. IJ and TUTH would be much tougher to wear. I will say that one major mistake men make in here especially the younger ones is they jump right on the anone products because they think this is what will get them laid. They dont understand mones or how they work. The socials type products can many times be more effective for sexual encounters then the highly aggressive masculines. TUTH or other high anone products are like running around with your dick hanging out your pants. Yes it gets attention, may even cause interest and excitement in a few ladies but most women are a bit taken back However if you use some nice comfortable charming attractive social type mones and the right amount of anone she will be happy to take it out for you. 😉 You need to remember that mones are not one size fits all. Your experience with anone was not a good one however that doesn’t mean everyone under 20 should steer clear of it, Be careful with it yes, Consider the benefits of other mones, yes. Learn to effectively use it, yes. But for some individuals anone may be called for. > [@](#): > > It states that people under the age of 19-24 **(depending on the individual)** normally do not realize that they are just like everyone else, and what happens to other people can happen to them. People under this age generally believe that they are different than everyone else, and that they can control what happens to them. For instance, they believe if they start smoking, they will be able to stop anytime they want to. They believe that they are the exception to every rule. It’s not until their mind matures more that they realize that this isn’t true. **Depending on the individual.** I would go farther and say depending on their environment as well. Yes for past generations this statement held more truth. Parent’s sheltered kids more and they didnt have as much access to TV, internet or the information available now. I think there is a small percentage of younger people with this perception but not as many as when that study was conducted. You may want to bring that point up in class. IMO its not a question of the brains maturity but of the brains exposure or lack of exposure to the reality of our environment. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Aggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@Aggie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aggie)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/4 "2011-07-06T16:31:15Z")
Tisha, a genius as always. Would you please make clear, and I know you already did, but just make it even clearer, at what age range should people stay away from none COMPLETELY? ---
**Author:** ![Terpines](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@Terpines](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Terpines)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/5 "2011-07-06T17:33:43Z")
I’m 19 years old, A-314 works great for me and I used TUTH last summer with it and sometimes as a standalone but what would be a good way to start applying a product like TUTH or IJ if I was to test it out? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/6 "2011-07-06T19:24:02Z")
Use the sweet spot test method, found in my signature. One spray for a few days and keep moving up to the desired results 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/7 "2011-07-06T22:47:22Z")
> [@Aggie](#): > > Tisha, a genius as always. Would you please make clear, and I know you already did, but just make it even clearer, at what age range should people stay away from none COMPLETELY? Keep in mind this is just my opinion from experience with mones and from having 2 sons who use them occasionally as well. My oldest wasn’t interested in mones till he was around 19 so it wasn’t a issue but my youngest tried to sneak them. I have caught him with his dads Ammo and TUTH. When he turned 17 I asked the doctor if he was done with puberty and he gave him the all clear so I gave him his own bottle of AMMO ( the old scent) and he is happy using 1/2 a spray with some socials like IO. Puberty can start as young as 12 and last till your 19 in boys but usually by around 17 the hormones start to settle down and level off and all your development has occured. When guys use some of the highly masculine or sexual type products while in puberty the results may be great one day and disastrous the next because your natural hormones are spiking all over the place. It can make ODing easier and it can make just about impossible to find your correct dosage because it will be different every day. So I would say around 17 they can start with something nice and balanced like AMMO and see how they do. They just have to use them responsibly but that can be said for all [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) users. Younger then 17 should stick with the socials. Girls respond better to them in there age range anyways. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![slingblade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@slingblade](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/slingblade)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/8 "2011-07-07T01:05:59Z")
IMHO, if you intend to wear pheromones regularly, you should certainly make sure that you are wearing them when you are gaming girls. Otherwise you may experience the undesired effect of miscalibration. Pheromones aren’t a crutch or affectation anymore than a new suit or a new hair cut is a crutch; they are a contribution and means of improving your life. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2011, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/9 "2011-07-07T04:52:23Z")
I understand where the OP is coming from and I appreciate the input. In a lot of ways he’s right but I think it’s a little too across the board. Honestly, I’d just be happy if these guys would read a few forum posts…or at least the actual product descriptions THOROUGHLY before buying a 30 ml of TuTH and THEN coming onto the forum with threads like “Hi, I’m 15 and I wanna know how to use TuTH” when my answer will usually be something akin to “first, store in a cool dark place for 5 years and then bump this thread.” A314 can be a little too serious for youngsters but imo that’s more the maturity and status of the Rone than any effect of the comparatively small amount of None. Jerk, oddly enough when I’ve worn it I’ve found that spray for spray and mcg for mcg it’s much easier to manage than TuTH. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)? I think most younger guys can do just fine without it and with other products instead. But I think most guys that age range can probably handle a single spray of regular strength. I think it would work better for them if they boosted the Rone and Nol signals with single sprays of IG and IO on top of it…maybe a spray of shine if needed. That actually wouldn’t be a bad idea for a variant. “Small Caliber Ammo” say 5mcg each of Rone, A-nol and Taa to the 2.5 mcg of None. Or better yet…maybe an MX formulated and so that say 3 sprays gave you the equivalent of one spray each of Ammo, IG, IO, and Shine. I’d dose it for a 3 spray use like that because let’s face it…if you’ve ever seen a teenage boy apply Axe body spray you’d know that the word “restraint” is not in their vocabulary. ---
**Author:** ![Aggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@Aggie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aggie)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/10 "2011-07-08T01:59:17Z")
My intent here was to create a thread for the younger visitors, that hopefull will be viewed by them in the future. I was hoping that it could be referenced when we get a none-crazed newbie on the forum. And not just the original post, but the thread as a whole. With that, I’m going to say very little on this thread outside of defending what I’ve already said. While Steve and Radman513 are generally very reliable posters, in this circumstance, because of it’s nature, I would say that any imput that they have is better classified as _general_ than as experience. That is simply because, to my knowledge based on their posts, neither of them used pheromones as a child. So all they have are theories. But then again, that is all I have too, my theory does happen to be mixed with experience, but it is still a theory in that individual test subjects do not consitute a survery of data. If you are under 17, and you’ve made it this far, I would recomend only taking the advice of people that have more then theory to back them up. Elsewhere on the forum, steve and radman are highly esteemed posters with valuable information. (Though Steve’s reports are more reliable for someone in his age range then yours. He can handle a lot more none then we can.) But in this thread, I caution you to only base your own personal decisions off of the advise of those with experience, such as Tisha23 and myself, and anyone else who may add their data in the future. Of course at the end of the day, it is up to YOU. Like I said, pheromones aren’t regulated in this country yet. On everything else I will let the debate ensue, but on this point I stand firm: Using none before you are finished with puberty, as determined by your doctor, is unstable at best, and catastrophic at worse… Remember we don’t know what they can do to your bodies at your age. And I know I will get reputation subtracted for this, because some people will take it the wrong way, but just to really drive the point home that you don’t know what’s going to happen to your bodies if you put chemicals on them, in this case I’m talking about at a young age, 100 years ago everyone thought that smoking was safe. The smartest and most educated people in our society did it, news anchormen in the middle of their shows, to the president of the united states. Look at what we have learned now. I’m not saying pheros are dangerous/cancer causing, I’m just saying that we don’t know what these mones can do to your body at such a young age. Steve and Rad, I hope that you didn’t take what I said personally; if there were other names I would have used them too. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/11 "2011-07-08T02:27:02Z")
No offense taken, you express your view with politeness and civility. And while I understand your point about theory vs experience, there is also the point of multiple case study vs. anecdotal evidence of a single case. If I was injured to the degree of needing immediate treatment of risking death…and no actual doctor was available, leaving me with the choice of being treated by one of two people. Option A spent a year reading several books on first aid and treated a few people for minor injuries. Option B has actually BEEN injured a couple of times. As a general rule I do actually agree. For the most part people under the age of 20 don’t really NEED a None boost, and again as a general rule, females UNDER the age of 20 tend to respond negatively to high None signatures. And while you’re right, I’m 39 and have been using mones for a little over a year. However broad across the board advice based on personal experiences, good or bad can be just as off. IE what works for you, may not work for somebody else even if they’re the same age. If somebody said that driving drunk is not dangerous because they did it themselves a few times and everything was ok, would that make it good advice? based on their experience it’s true. Basically, as I stated…I don’t think a kid would risk None OD with A314, I don’t think they’d get the best results but again it’s more a matter of seeming too old, serious and domineering than an aggressive and oversexed high None signature. Jerk? that probably is too much none for a youngster, I’m just iffy about discounting it because the differences between that and TuTH given their ratios really confuses me. I honestly think that a single of Ammo with a good amount of social buffers would go over just fine for most users. Frankly it’s not even that these kids come in buying anything with None (that CAN happen but it’s rare) it’s that they come in and buy TuTH. I don’t know…maybe they should reword the way TuTH and Ammo are described because while Ammo’s description sounds pretty appealing to me, it seems these teens come in, look around the store and go straight for the TuTH. And they almost never get socials. Again, I think the attraction possibilities of products like IO, IH and Shine may not be described in a way that appeals to somebody looking for sex. Problem is most new users won’t even come to the forum much less read this thread (or any of the ones where most of us have warned them against certain products) until AFTER the first purchase. I know because half the time when I go to welcome new members, their first post details what they already went and bought. And if it’s a young male under say 25, they already have TuTH. I think moreso than any thread on the forum, if AD was to rewrite the product descriptions to place a little more emphasis on the attraction potential of the None free products, and maybe tone down the descriptions of TuTH I think it would have a greater effect. > [@Aggie](#): > > My intent here was to create a thread for the younger visitors, that hopefull will be viewed by them in the future. I was hoping that it could be referenced when we get a none-crazed newbie on the forum. And not just the original post, but the thread as a whole. With that, I’m going to say very little on this thread outside of defending what I’ve already said. > > While Steve and Radman513 are generally very reliable posters, in this circumstance, because of it’s nature, I would say that any imput that they have is better classified as _general_ than as experience. That is simply because, to my knowledge based on their posts, neither of them used pheromones as a child. So all they have are theories. But then again, that is all I have too, my theory does happen to be mixed with experience, but it is still a theory in that individual test subjects do not consitute a survery of data. > > If you are under 17, and you’ve made it this far, I would recomend only taking the advice of people that have more then theory to back them up. Elsewhere on the forum, steve and radman are highly esteemed posters with valuable information. (Though Steve’s reports are more reliable for someone in his age range then yours. He can handle a lot more none then we can.) But in this thread, I caution you to only base your own personal decisions off of the advise of those with experience, such as Tisha23 and myself, and anyone else who may add their data in the future. Of course at the end of the day, it is up to YOU. Like I said, pheromones aren’t regulated in this country yet. > > On everything else I will let the debate ensue, but on this point I stand firm: Using none before you are finished with puberty, as determined by your doctor, is unstable at best, and catastrophic at worse… Remember we don’t know what they can do to your bodies at your age. > > And I know I will get reputation subtracted for this, because some people will take it the wrong way, but just to really drive the point home that you don’t know what’s going to happen to your bodies if you put chemicals on them, in this case I’m talking about at a young age, 100 years ago everyone thought that smoking was safe. The smartest and most educated people in our society did it, news anchormen in the middle of their shows, to the president of the united states. Look at what we have learned now. > > I’m not saying pheros are dangerous/cancer causing, I’m just saying that we don’t know what these mones can do to your body at such a young age. > > Steve and Rad, I hope that you didn’t take what I said personally; if there were other names I would have used them too. ---
**Author:** ![Apu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Apu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apu)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/12 "2011-07-08T19:58:27Z")
Hey, I have been a forum-lurker and Androtics customer for almost a year now. I do not usually post here but after reading this I just HAD to share my own experiences with the community. I am currently 18 years of age in my first year of university, and A314 and Ammo work absolute wonders for me. I am an absolute BOSS with them on. I (think I) have all of the instant line except for [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) and I can honestly say that 2 drops of A314 on wrists and 1 spray of Ammo on my neck is the best combo I have tried so far. A314 is hands down the most effective phero I have tried with IS coming in second and Ammo coming in third. Luckily for me, every single Androtics product I have purchased so far has worked to great effect (perhaps implying that I am naturally low on ALL natural pheromones -.-) but A314 is just ridiculous. Words do not do justice to how extraordinary the effects of A314 are for me, so I am not even going to bother to attempt to delineate them. However, I think if A314 was a calculator, it would be able to divide by zero. I really think that whether or not none is suitable for younger users depends on the individual. After all, we all have unique bodies with different properties. Perhaps the fact that I am an Indian may play some role? I have read that different races have varying levels of natural pheromones. Also, it might be worth nothing that I live in one of the most liberal cities of the world, Amsterdam. Nonetheless, I noticed that your warning was mainly focused on the long-term. I sincerely hope that what happened to you does not happen to me but I shall certainly be on the lookout for signs. I am very grateful for your post though and I appreciate you taking the time to warn people like me of the possible consequences. Also, regarding building social skills, I completely agree with you on that. I do not mean to disrespect or disprove the OP. All I am claiming is that his observations (at least in the short-term) have not held true for me. However, this being said, I am only one person and a single data point does not signify much. P.S. I would make this post longer but I have to go clubbing. Life is difficult. P.P.S. Yes, I know I fail at commas. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/13 "2011-07-08T21:02:22Z")
I would say that more of our younger members use ammo successfully than don’t. You might have personal experience but Tisha does not. Last I checked 1 she is female and two she is not a child that has used mones. Sure she has kids that meet that age group but that is NOT a personal experience. Now from an outsiders perspective Tisha comes over as a caring, loving mom that wants the best for her kids. Certainly nothing wrong with that, but it still doesn’t make it her experience. In that instance I could say that since I have close relatives in that age group that means I have personal experience. Now this is not to knock you in any way Aggie, but I think these types of statements are too broad, just like RAD mentioned. Michael Harris specifically designed Androtics because “one size does not fit all.” I would say he’s done a damn fine job of it and yet that’s exactly what you seem to be opposing. Trying to fit everyone below a certain age into the one size fits all. Oh you’re this age so don’t use this product! In fact if you were to sort through how many HS age guys have come through and used Ammo successfully, I think your entire position would change. I have a client who calls quite often in the 14-17 range and he loves Ammo. In fact it changed his life he says. He is actually not the one man out though, actually he’s more the regular than you might know. Bond007 used Ammo all throughout HS, Razorpowell, psylocybin, skumskilla, Jstn, hschooler, cradlerobber, Peter Hart, unrealchamp, … and the list goes on and on. Of course those are guys either currently still in HS or very, very recently just graduated. Just because you didn’t have a good experience with none doesn’t apply to everyone and cannot take away from their personal experiences. Your personal experience does not trump everyone else. A guy should not be afraid of Ammo and be willing to give it a go. I remember when I first joined the forum and there were so many users saying to HS age guys to use A314. All of a sudden some user comes along and says oh you should use IG instead and then its some type of rule. I think whats happening is peoples ego get in the way and because we might have personally had a different experience than someone else it becomes anchored to the mone rather than the wearer. Again as I see it, to use Tisha’s very own words: > [@tisha23](#): > > … > Pheromones do not give you power, you power the pheromones. Pheromones just make what you do and what you are trying to convey to others easier. > … > > Tisha The thing is Aggie its not Rad or myself that is taking this personally, its you 😉. You are taking your personal experience and then saying everyone else should make it theirs. Again I will reemaphasize that Michael Harris who created Ammo designed it with everyone in mind. Well buffered but capable of empowering the young and old alike. Want some more none, add another spray or amp it up with TUTH. Need to buffer it some more, add some IO and Ishine. Its individualized to meet the need of the wearer and that is what makes it a unique “personalized” experience. ---
**Author:** ![Aggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@Aggie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aggie)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/14 "2011-07-09T19:58:24Z")
Once again to the younger users, Steve is a representative of the company, so… you can expect that he’s going to be a little biased. Sorry steve! 🙂 Now, ammo, I’m not arguing against, unless over used. I believe that I even mentioned that in my OP before I edited it out (the bulletins made the post look trashy) Why you seem to be so heck-bent on presenting Ammo as a safe product, I’m not sure, because nobody disagrees with that unless it is over used. One spray of ammo being _ **generally** _ the BEST seems to be the opinion of everyone here except you, Steve. I don’t take anything you said personally, at all - my goal is to ensure that newbies/youngins are not mislead by your experienceless theory. To rebuild Tisha’s credibility that you destoryed, she wouldn’t have given it to her son if the doctor didn’t say that it was safe. She has experience in the administration of pheromones to persons under the age of 18. 😉 TUTH is too much. None Heavy Mixes are too much. Overdosing on Ammo is a bad idea, but probably not impossible to recover from as long as it’s not done often. The problem is not that MHarris’s products are evil little demons that have risen from the ocean’s floor - it is that when a child overuses -none-, there is going to be a problem. In other places on the forum, you have mentioned that social skill building is important, perhaps even more important then mones. Why are you not capitalizing on the chance to do so here instead of trying to defend super amounts of sprays of heavy none mixes reputation among minors? Just a thought. Also, when Jasmine released the UF pack, or maybe that was John… either way, it was said by someone on one of the release notices that it was heavy none, and not for younger people… i’ll work on the exact quote and from who it was. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/15 "2011-07-09T20:07:15Z")
TUTH and Ammo contain the same amount of none Aggie - However TUTH has other molecules that steer it in a determinedly sexual direction whilst Ammo is held in good balance by near-equal amounts of nol and rone. But yes, like the rest of us, the effective dose for young people will vary and some will benefit from an amount of none whilst others won’t - However it will almost certainly be a lot less than someone older can work effectively with. So trying and testing for your sweet spot from a low dose upward is very important! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@Aggie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aggie)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/16 "2011-07-09T20:10:20Z")
> [@](#): > > However [TUTH](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) has other molecules that steer it in a determinedly sexual direction whilst [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is held in good balance by near-equal amounts of [nol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Androsterone. Exactly. Results are what matters, not just amounts. ---
**Author:** ![Aggie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f07891/32.png) [@Aggie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aggie)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/17 "2011-07-09T20:19:05Z")
Ah, here is what I was looking for. From Jasmin herself: “Tread carefully, saucy adventurers! And be aware of what you wish for. Heavy [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) mixes are _not_ for the faint of heart… Raw [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) is not always acceptable, and normal “-none” rules should apply. (don’t wear around children, customers, conservative people, etc.)” My thread isn’t the law, so don’t act like congressmen trying to change it. 😛 Because you all are right too. It’s one opinion in a world full of them. And yes, everyone is different. And yes: everyone should find their sweet spot. But jut as true as those statements are, so is this one: Mere overuse for the sake of attempting to get better results, or being ignorant of the fact that too much none IS bad none is not good. ---
**Author:** ![bmoney22](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@bmoney22](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bmoney22)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/18 "2011-07-09T22:53:10Z")
Hello. I rarely post on this forum however I read post all the time and I’ve been using monoes for about a year now. I really agree with Steve here when he says that your theory is laced with a lot of your personal experiences. I was blessed with the opportunity to travel this summer using mones and I’ve been to Amsterdam, Antwerp, Cologne, Munich, Rome, Venice, Milan, Florence, Prague, and London and its been amazing watching the affect on others outside of the narrow scope of people I would encounter at my university. I started using mones at 18 and currently, I’m 19 and I think they are great when you know how to use them as a supplement. I think the most important thing you’ve said in your post is that younger kids need to do more due diligence on the products they purchase because the effects and experiences they read about most likely will not apply to them. They will need to dig a little deeper and realize what they want to gain from using mones and what products will help them achieve that. I did a ton of reading before I started using nones and I mentally made a note of what I wanted to achieve with them. I made smart purchases, I bought all of the socials, A314(the best product) and Ammo. I purchased them all because I wanted to test them all out to see which would give me the results I wanted. What happens is young people get on the forum and they are skeptical and they look to buy the cheapest instant line to try it out. And it’s TuTH. So they purchase that when it’s not what they need. In your OP you made a lot of statements that gave insight to what you were trying to achieve while using mones. " The reason I wanted to be accepted was so I could help people that needed help. I wanted to be popular, so I could befriend the unpopular kids. I wanted to be accepted, so I could cheer people up when they were sad. I wanted to be just as adored as the quarterback on the school’s football team, for my own personality. I found myself to be the happiest when I was in a position of being able to cheer people up, or make them laugh" That is a very specific “goal” you were trying to reach with mones and you’re right none based products wont give you those results. So yes, you might be able to live vicariously through a young person going through the forum who wants those same results and steer them away from using none based mones. But making bold claims that mones will ruin your social life is not what young people need to hear. When I purchased mine for the first time my intentions were completely different. And after reading I made a decision that the tension none created for you was something that I wanted. Also in your OP you said “maybe wearing this -none- infused product that they keep sending me will give me results in the realm of attracting (AS FRIENDS) the kind of people that are very interested in highly attractive people, and the more friends, the better, as long as I know my limits, and I do.” This bring me back to my point to Due Diligence. If you read the forum before spraying you would have known the effects of none based products and would know that socials would be better at attracting people as “friends” so there was no need to spray that “offensive free product” adrontics sent you. “So I wore it to school one time. It wasn’t a BAD day, it was kind of okay. I wore it again some more times, and started noticing that I was getting flity looks from girls that previously didn’t paid any attention to me, and even some respect from guys, including the football coach. But I didn’t really know how to be congruent with the “signuture” that my body-chemistry was sending out as a result of -none-. I started wearing more and more sprays, resulting in higher dosages of -none- being on me at a time. And little by little, my social life began to fall apart. I had no idea why, until over a year later” First, if you knew you were skeptical about wearing none and didn’t know how to be congruent, I don’t know how you could have thought adding more sprays would have helped. And Second, I don’t know how a free sample could have lasted you a year or even been enough to ruin your social life in an entire year. Or even how you couldn’t noticed changes in lets say 6 months? I think your post made a lot of sense warning young people using none based mones. But instead of telling them not to, you should harp on more of doing more research to use them more effectively. It’s like teaching teens to stay abstinence from sex completely until marriage. Yes there are some that will. But a better lesson would be a combination of learning the benefits of abstinence while also teaching them safe sex. I hope that analogy made sense. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/19 "2011-07-10T12:27:07Z")
> [@](#): > > To rebuild Tisha’s credibility that you destoryed, she wouldn’t have given it to her son if the doctor didn’t say that it was safe. She has experience in the administration of pheromones to persons under the age of 18. 😉 LOL (((Aggie))) No he didnt. I really appreciate you defending me but Steve and I have pretty much told you the same thing on the pheromone advice. > [@](#): > > Once again to the younger users, Steve is a representative of the company, so… you can expect that he’s going to be a little biased. Sorry steve! I feel compelled to say something because I know Steve well, we have been friends a long time and while we dont always agree we have a healthy respect for each others integrity and experience. He would not tell users to use something just because he works for the company. If you go back and look at Post 3 I stated > [@Tisha](#): > > You need to remember that [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/)\*\* are not one size fits all.\*\* **Your experience with anone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) was not a good one however that doesn’t mean everyone under 20 should steer clear of it**, Be careful with it yes, Consider the benefits of other [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) , yes. Learn to effectively use it, yes. But for **some individuals anone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) may be called for**. I also stated why \>\>\> > [@](#): > > When guys use some of the highly masculine or sexual type products **while in puberty the results may be great one day and disastrous the next** because your natural hormones are spiking all over the place. It can make ODing easier and it can make just about impossible to find your correct dosage because it will be different every day. > [@](#): > > So I would say\*\* around 17\*\* they can start with something nice and balanced like [AMMO](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and see how they do. They just have to **use them responsibly** but that can be said for all pheromone users. However I also stated AMMO is well balanced/buffered and a good place to start to see how they react with anone \>\>\>\>\>\> > [@Tisha](#): > > So I would say **around 17** they can start with something nice and balanced like [AMMO](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and see how they do. They just have to use them responsibly but that can be said for all pheromone users. We are not all the same. Some guys and women for that matter start puberty as young as 12. Some start later. If your a person who started on the early side by 16 or 17 your done. If you started on the later side you may not be done until 18 or 19 (for males) It has been said by Harris and Jasmin that TUTH and other high anone formulations shouldn’t be used around children because it can have adverse effects on behavior. It makes sense to then say I child shouldn’t wear it either. Jasmin has also stated because of the volatility of anone they are looking for less volatile alternatives to it. Technically if your not finished with puberty you are biologically a child still. Puberty makes it all the harder because at this time our hormones are fluctuating. All Steve is trying to convey is that if your on the young side (high school) you have to be careful **but there is no set age written in stone because puberty occurs and finishes in a range.** Pheromones are not one size fits all for any user no matter age or gender we can only offer guidelines from our experience. As for the statement Steve made referring to me I thank you for your concern and the support people have been sending me but I didnt take that as a attack on my experience with mones and I think people are taking it out of context. I am quite confident with my expertise in mone use for myself and advising others. I stated myself in post 7 my experience was derived not from personal use but my sons use. I also have coached plenty of younger individual here and in person. I never implied it was a personal experience. I have used anone but how it effects me or a 40 year old male for that matter is not a personal experience. Both Steve and I can only convey what we have learned from the experience of others when it comes to teens using mones because neither of us used them as teens. Neither of us can give you a personal experience. However… Last time I checked females had the same ability to gain knowledge from others experiences as the males. 😉 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Jabez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jabez/32/2193_2.png) [@Jabez](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jabez)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066/20 "2011-07-10T21:02:28Z")
Myself I am still young and I use all the products you guys are talking about with out any problems. I told one of my friends about Mones. He is 15 and I gave him a sample of my Ammo and it worked wonders for him. After he used ammo he became addicted, now he has his own collection. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-the-high-schoolers-and-young-people-on-this-forum/51066.md?page=2)