# To you guys who think pheromones get women **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 13, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421 "2008-07-13T00:55:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/1 "2008-07-13T00:55:17Z")
pheromones don’t get you women. Yes I repeat – pheromones don’t get you women. What they actually can do varies based on the description. Some of them will work as advertised for you and others won’t. Overall though pheromones are not going to make it so that women hook up with you. That is up to YOU. It all depends on YOU. What pheromones WILL do is to make your job easier in the following ways: 1. It will cause women to take more interest in you and what you say. 2. It will give you confidence and make you smell nice which will result in more green lights from women for you to go talk to them. 3. If things get physical (even if it’s just physical in regards to a hug or a touch to the back) they will enhance the feelings that she has. 4. Depending on the type of pheromone, it may get her mood to be more constructive for a situation, like how shine tends to put people in good moods. 5. A lot of the time the things you say will have more of an effect on her, and cause a more favorable reaction. 6. Often it will make it less likely that she will blow you off after you spend some time talking to her. Of course if you OD or she is not affected by the pheromones or doesnt like how you smell – than it can just as easily result in her excusing herself more quickly than normal, so it works both ways. 😃 However the marketing that other people use to get people to [buy pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) (not this company which is very straight forward and honest) tends to make it sound like women will be jumping your bones all over and you can just be the same way as you always have been, even if you don’t get women. This is simply NOT true. You still need to interact with these women, you still need to show intent, you still need to be having fun and not needing anything from them, you still need to bring value to those around you. What pheromones WILL do is they will give you a slight edge that you might not otherwise have. At the end of the day either your someone who is comfortable interacting with women, who knows how to talk to them, and who knows how and when to turn them on, to touch them, how to look at them, how to be with them – or your someone who doesn’t. If your someone who doesn’t than the pheromones will just give you a little more practice to become someone who does. If your someone who does than the pheromones will help your batting average a bit. _ **Some tips for guys who suck with women:** _ Now I don’t want to leave you guys hanging on a negative note if you don’t know how to deal with women. So I will give some basic tips that are nuetral and not personality dependant – that will help you EVERY time: 1. If a woman holds eye contact, smiles, says ANYTHING to you, ASKS for anything from you, touches you, makes a scene in front of you to draw your attention, laughs or giggles at what you say, or listens to you as if your important – than she is interested in you. 2. If you are talking to a woman and she does not leave – even if she is not doing ANYTHING to show interest – than she is interested in you. - when I say interested i dont mean she wants you to stick a cucumber into her vagina while talking dirty in her ear and spanking her arse. What I mean is she has not yet REJECTED you and is still interested. 1. If you are talking to a woman try to find out some things about her. Who is she here with, is she having fun, what are her plans later, is she adventurous – what kind of person is she. Im not saying make it an interview – but throw these little down to earth tidbits in here and there so you can start to paint a picture of what she is and see if its even what you want. You should always be trying to see if a woman is someone you are even going to want to spend intimate time with, you should never be happy with any woman that will give you the time of day. 2. Be laid back and chill. Often if you two are having fun and connecting on some level the woman will start to make some subtle moves. These are very subtle. If she starts talking about sex or porn or hitting on you or taking it in a sexual direction – or if she is getting turned on – tone it down a bit, dont just jump all over it. There is no rush. If yer meant to hook up in the near future it will happen, you don’t need to salvate. It’s just sex. Sex should be the icing on the cake not the main course and certainly no requirement for talking to her. 3. on the same token if things dont have a sexual vibe to them, spontaneously inject it at some point to see how she reacts, and don’t care how she reacts – you just want to see where she is at. it doesnt really matter how she reacts as long as she is still talking to you after. 🙂 4. finally make sure to touch her a bit at some point. Show a little dominance, show her that she can feel safe by taking control, leading a bit, palming her head, ushering her first with your hand on her lower back, giving her a half hug, spinning her and pulling her in and then pushing her away. Have fun touching her, show her that she is yours, that a night with you will fullfill her deepest desires as a woman that she is afraid to reveal to the average man because she cant trust him to accept her for what she is. Advanced update: Also some women get a thrill out of being challenging and having you work for them. Do not take this personally. Do not react to this. Do not try harder or get mad. Just continue to do what your doing, have fun, keep it light, and realize that they do this for YOU. They do it for YOU so that both YOU and HER can have a heightened sense of pleasure and endorphines when and if you two finally do hook up. Just carry on as if it’s no big deal and don’t lose your composure. Act like a man who has been there and done that – even if you haven’t. If she **really** doesn’t want to talk to you anymore, you will get the hint – trust me. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/2 "2008-07-13T00:58:33Z")
Yes, i agree with you on those points you are making! But the slight edge is often all you need 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LostMD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a587f6/32.png) [@LostMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LostMD)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 1:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/3 "2008-07-13T01:56:00Z")
very good post! ---
**Author:** ![LifeT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@LifeT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LifeT)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/4 "2008-07-13T04:04:34Z")
very good pointers. reps for u buddy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/5 "2008-07-13T04:33:23Z")
Very good post! I think Renny put it best, even if [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) were a magic bullet, you still have to pull the trigger. Or maybe it was someone else, but overall I agree. ---
**Author:** ![theperv584](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theperv584/32/890_2.png) [@theperv584](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/theperv584)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/6 "2008-07-13T06:56:47Z")
> [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](#): > > Advanced update: > > Also some women get a thrill out of being challenging and having you work for them. Do not take this personally. Do not react to this. Do not try harder or get mad. Just continue to do what your doing, have fun, keep it light, and realize that they do this for YOU. They do it for YOU so that both YOU and HER can have a heightened sense of pleasure and endorphines when and if you two finally do hook up. Just carry on as if it’s no big deal and don’t lose your composure. Act like a man who has been there and done that – even if you haven’t. If she **really** doesn’t want to talk to you anymore, you will get the hint – trust me. If she does this right, it tends to be _cute_. If not, then well… its not. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/7 "2008-07-13T21:51:08Z")
I just found this site yesterday, and as I was reading all of the info trying to get up to speed, I had the TV going in the background. Ironically, I had PBS on, and the program that came on was part 1 of a two-part series of the show _ **NATURE** _. Here is a link to a description of the show, for anyone who’s interested: [Nature . What Females Want - Introduction | PBS](http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/what-females-want/what-females-want-introduction/828/) (Note that on this same page there is also a link to info on part 2, _What Males Will Do_) In this show, they talk about, among other things, pheromones. The thing that I got from the show (and a thought that I’ve seen echoed though this site already) is that the pheromones are like a subliminal radio signal that you emit to get someone’s attention, how you proceed after you’ve gained their attention is all up to you. Having said that, I’m also getting the impression (both from the ads for part 2 of Nature, which I haven’t seen and from threads on this site) that attraction is a two-part deal. To be successful, one needs to send out a beacon to the target. The target recieves the signal and then looks for a match. The one who visually matches the “character” of the beacon is the one the target approaches (or allows to be approached by). Now, when I write “The one who visually matches the “character” of the beacon,” I’m not saying you’ve got to look like Brad Pitt or forget it, but you do have to set yourself apart from the pack in _some way,_ shape or form so that getting the target’s attention is not wasted. **You’ve got to act** and not be complacent, or you will lose the opportunity you’ve given yourself. I guess my point is, to a slight extent I agree with what you say, FIRE AND ICE. But as many others have stated, you still can use the nature of pheromones to your advantage, but to really be effective, one needs to fully understand the limits of that advantage. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/8 "2008-07-14T01:00:44Z")
Just to clarify: My stance on pheromones for the purposes of attracting the opposite sex is that they can help to steer things a bit – but that there are many x factors that will ultimately determine things and you can’t just throw on mones and expect to be brad pitt. Your social skills will make or break you. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/9 "2008-07-26T03:19:04Z")
Anyone who liked what I had to say or is interested in learning more about how to effectively connect with women check out this blog and add it to your favorites as there will be many updates in the coming days: > **[taco](http://mack-wild-uncensored.blogspot.com/)** ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2008, 6:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/10 "2008-07-26T06:14:33Z")
F&I, Generally, I can say I agree with you. However on these two points, I feel compelled to caution you – and your readers. > [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](#): > > (snip) > If you are talking to a woman and she does not leave – even if she is not doing ANYTHING to show interest – than she is interested in you. Where I live, it’s common to stand there listening politely to someone and not have the _slightest_ bit of interest in him/her. I see it often and have been guilty of it myself. After all, it’s rude to just walk away. (Not to say I haven’t been sorely tempted!) Also, some shyer girls do not know how to extricate themselves from a bore. > [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](#): > > finally make sure to touch her a bit at some point. Show a little dominance, show her that she can feel safe by taking control, leading a bit, palming her head, ushering her first with your hand on her lower back, giving her a half hug, spinning her and pulling her in and then pushing her away. Ah… I would not welcome someone in my space unless I invite it first. I can’t speak for all the ladies out there, of course, but I want to throw out a little unhappy tidbit concerning touching. One in nine (statistics vary) women over the age of 30 have been physically abused. What this means to you guys is that a good majority if women out there do not like to be touched by total strangers. **They’re not frigid** , they’re just protective. I’m a one-in-nine and I do okay unless someone touches my neck. My reaction is instant; I feel panicky when it happens, and it’s ruined more than one potentially great moment. My point is that we aren’t all going to react well to “a little dominance.” Just my two cents. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2008, 1:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/11 "2008-07-26T13:49:45Z")
> [@copycat](#): > > F&I, > > Generally, I can say I agree with you. However on these two points, I feel compelled to caution you – and your readers. > > Where I live, it’s common to stand there listening politely to someone and not have the _slightest_ bit of interest in him/her. I see it often and have been guilty of it myself. After all, it’s rude to just walk away. (Not to say I haven’t been sorely tempted!) Also, some shyer girls do not know how to extricate themselves from a bore. > > Ah… I would not welcome someone in my space unless I invite it first. > > I can’t speak for all the ladies out there, of course, but I want to throw out a little unhappy tidbit concerning touching. > > One in nine (statistics vary) women over the age of 30 have been physically abused. What this means to you guys is that a good majority if women out there do not like to be touched by total strangers. **They’re not frigid** , they’re just protective. > > I’m a one-in-nine and I do okay unless someone touches my neck. My reaction is instant; I feel panicky when it happens, and it’s ruined more than one potentially great moment. > > My point is that we aren’t all going to react well to “a little dominance.” > > Just my two cents. I welcome your two cents. Look guys I am making average generalizations here that have to do with the average woman. The statistics are in your favor if you follow this advice. This is particularly true with women in their 20’s and 30’s in social settings. (I say that because those are usually who me, my friends, and my friends friends tend to interact with and hang out with.) Now there are always women with certain circumstances and issues they deal with. I think most of you can consider the source here and understand why she felt compelled to post what she did. Im also glad that this is brought up because it brings me to a fundamental thing. As men – especially single men who frequent clubs and bars and are involved in social avenues we have to make a decision. We have to decide if we are going to be constrained from acting on how we feel, trusting that a woman likes us, or playfully/lightly touching someone. We have to decide if we are going to cast ourselves as someone who is entitled to the opposite sex and interacting with them and touching them – or if we are going to let our fears and the fears of women dictate our actions and how we lead our lives. What this woman brings up is very real and should be respected. When I touch a woman (and touching a woman is an art) I very rarely have any sort of weird reaction from her. If I can tell she is uneasy or if I see that she has some issues and things – then I do what they call to calibrate – which is to say I cater my behavior with her needs in mind. This is important. It’s important as a man to not live life in fear but it’s important not to be so egotistical and selfish that you have no regard for other people either. Now as far as the if a woman is still talking to you, than she likes you and it’s going good – again – it doesnt mean she will go to bed with you. It means she is enjoying talking to you. If she is not – she will let you know in the end so why second guess yourself? Theres no place for doubt. In my experience if she is still there, there is a chance that me and her could end up being a part of eachothers lives in some way. If she is just there out of politeness she will eventually excuse herself, decline to give a number, give a number she will never answer ect. Which is why I say if a woman doesnt want you she will let you know. Let HER be the one to let you know, as a man NEVER be the one to decide “well she is still here but I dont think she likes me and is just being polite” – that’s not how a real man thinks. That’s not how a confident man thinks. If she is still there, she is interested and if not she will let you know. She could be shy and not have a lot to contribute yet. If she is contributing to the conversation – even better – but some women need time to warm up. - My 2 cents ---
**Author:** ![Blankman102](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2acd7d/32.png) [@Blankman102](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blankman102)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2008, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/12 "2008-07-26T15:46:13Z")
Reps Man. This post is soooooo on point. ---
**Author:** ![copycat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/copycat/32/896_2.png) [@copycat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/copycat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2008, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/13 "2008-07-26T21:32:14Z")
Thanks F&I, Your sensitivity is appreciated. Cat ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2008, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/14 "2008-07-26T21:39:17Z")
Just read your blog. I love it, I want more. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 2:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/15 "2008-07-28T02:57:27Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > Just read your blog. I love it, I want more. Done. The blog has been updated with a new and very important topic: “Why spitting game almost NEVER works (part 1)” Definately check it out guys… ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 10:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/16 "2008-07-28T10:00:03Z")
What do you think of this? [my Inner Game | Subliminal Inner Game Tools For Men For Success With Women | Home](http://www.myinnergame.com/) I’m interested in trying it out but the downloads seem to be dead links ☹ was wondering if anyone had any success with this or something similar. I’ll have a look at the blog now, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 12:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/17 "2008-07-28T12:49:35Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > What do you think of this? [my Inner Game | Subliminal Inner Game Tools For Men For Success With Women | Home](http://www.myinnergame.com/) I’m interested in trying it out but the downloads seem to be dead links ☹ was wondering if anyone had any success with this or something similar. > > I’ll have a look at the blog now, thanks. There’s much simpler ways to get your inner game together than taking on some complex thing like that where you have to pay them money to complicate your life. Save yourself the frustration, the time, the money – pick up a used book of the power of now for like 7 bucks. It’s much simpler and gets you out of your head. Affirmations are not all that effective. I have some great inner game tips coming up on my blog. It basically comes down to re-programming faulty mind loop patterns. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/18 "2008-07-28T14:58:43Z")
I’ve read the power of now twice now lol. It’s one of my favourite books, really does get you out of your mind. I can’t remain “present” 100% of the time though but my thinking these days is possitive I just thought listening to that mp3 whilst sleeping may remove any built up negativity from youth that I can’t conciously reach. ---
**Author:** ![FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FIRE\_AND\_ICE](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/FIRE_AND_ICE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/19 "2008-07-28T15:24:46Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > I’ve read the power of now twice now lol. It’s one of my favourite books, really does get you out of your mind. I can’t remain “present” 100% of the time though but my thinking these days is possitive I just thought listening to that mp3 whilst sleeping may remove any built up negativity from youth that I can’t conciously reach. I do use guided hypnotisms but I find tacky affirmation based ones to be less effective than other more advanced types. It’s true that you can’t be present ALL of the time but there are effective strategies that if implemented consistantly can address unproductive thoughts which lead to unproductive moods and emotions. By implementing these things consistantly over time you can interrupt faulty mind loop patterns. I don’t want to get too much into this kind of thing on a [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) forum but soon I am going to have a few very simple but helpful suggestions that I put up on my blog that if followed consistantly can DEFINATELY help. I have one on AA coming up, and I also have one on eliminating faulty mindloops. The problem with affirmations is that it is treating the symptom and not the source of the problem, also it can be hard to get the subconscious to buy into some of them as many are so tacky. What you want to do is interuppt the faulty mind loop pattern consistantly – after a while it is gone and you have eliminated a source of a problem. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421/20 "2008-07-28T15:56:47Z")
Yeah these days I think positivly (at least I think I do, maybe there is some background negativity lurking) I am well aware of my self talk and emotions, I realise if I need to critise myself I do it in a constructive way, I’m not putting myself down. So I think I may have allready treated the source by refusing to accept negativity anymore. What I think I need to do is remove the resadue of negativity that has been built up in my subconcious my entire life. What you said in your blog is right about spitting game not working because of congruence. To have congruence you must have inner game. I’m not AT ALL interested in canned material, negs etc I just want to get my inner game sorted and I’m open to any method of doing so. I’ve already see great improvements with Hypnosis, the power of now like you said and even pheromones. The PUA community is overcomplacated and analytical, I want the freedom to be myself at all times and attract woman more consistantly (I’m not doing to bad right now). Inner game = success. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/to-you-guys-who-think-pheromones-get-women/15421.md?page=2)