# Tomislavs journey **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [May 4, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496 "2012-05-04T16:36:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/1 "2012-05-04T16:36:31Z")
I got my order a few days ago. I must say I was worried about additional customs charges to my country but all went well šŸ˜ƒ In the bag there was: Ammo [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) A314b and MX453 (gift) I was very curious about MX453 so I had 1 spray first day and 2 sprays on the neck second day The good thing was that I did get more kino from girls Bad thing is self effect on me: it turns up the feelings - good AND badā€¦ I am putting it on hold until I learn how to properly handle other mones in my ā€œarsenalā€ After that I tried -first day 2x IS on neck and 1x ammo on chest -second day 2x A314 I can see that there were some changes while wearing them but very subtle (especially comparing them with MX453ā€™s effects) Soā€¦ should I try more spraysā€¦ and how much is too much? ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/2 "2012-05-04T18:33:59Z")
Great that youā€™ve started out testing mones! Woohoo on the MX453 testing. šŸ™‚ Give one mone a go for a few days until you see some patterns in your reactions and those around you. Journal them and continue with the next mone. Apply 1 spray, 2 then 3 to see what happens. Then, you can go back to the first mone and try it again at the best effects that you got and compare to see if you get the same results as what youā€™ve put in your journal. šŸ™‚ Glad their working out for you. Now, lets get crackinā€™! ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2012, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/3 "2012-05-08T12:35:58Z")
This might help with how much to use: [An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration - #9 by SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003/9) ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/4 "2012-05-09T06:24:27Z")
Time for my next report: this weekend we had a tournament so I decided to go with 2 sprays of ammo and 2 sprays of MX453 and results were satisfying - I convinced my boss it was her falt that I was late (by the way I overslept) šŸ™‚ MX453 has some serious mojo - Iā€™m thinking of buying a whole glass bottle (now I have to-go bottle) I have also continued testing of IS but with no effects yet: - day 1, 2x IS - day 2, 3x IS Went to the shopping mall but didnā€™t see any effects on the people. Cashiers didnā€™t even bother to look me in the eyeā€¦ - day 3, 4x IS Got 1 woman to turn arround after me in the shopping mall but still no self effect and no visible effects with coworkersā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/5 "2012-05-09T06:49:24Z")
Hey, bud. That would be awesome if the MX could be ordered in the 30 ml. Iā€™ve not seen them offered in that size, though. IShine, is usually a better hitter than that, though, keep in mind around who your using it, your own attitude (honest smiles and friendly banter will be ampā€™d with IShine in the background, IME), and the environment. If youā€™re walking fast between places, not much of the signal will get to those around you. IShine will work best when youā€™re close , 3 to 5 feet, conversational distance, to those in your mone cloud. A break from mones so that you can compare a few days of testing and then reapply to see a difference may be in order. Anyway, Steveā€™s link is great to getting the testing down and I usually recommend it as itā€™s a link on my sig below, Intro to mones. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/6 "2012-05-09T15:48:48Z")
MXā€™s are experimental and as such are available only in to goā€™s unless a very special scenario šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/7 "2012-05-10T06:32:27Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > MXā€™s are experimental and as such are available only in to goā€™s unless a very special scenario šŸ™‚ Oh, I seeā€¦ - this was pleasant experiment for me so far šŸ™‚ I finally got some response with IS (5 sprays) - a girl initiated conversation and we had a nice talk (by the way, she was mad at me before for some stupid reason) Maybe it doesnā€™t work so well because I canā€™t see self-effect? ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/8 "2012-05-10T12:43:21Z")
Not everyone gets the self effects so, if thatā€™s your case, then, youā€™ll just need to focus on what it does to others around you. 1Alpha ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2012, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/9 "2012-05-18T08:21:32Z")
I did a few days off mones and started testing A314b The problem is that I work in the same room with my boss and when Iā€™m wearing it she becomes more ā€œbossierā€. Most of the times I turn that in the joke. I had good results with 3x [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and 2xIS on one girl but I think I need something more to spice things up or I will get stuck in the friendship zone because of my inertnessā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 8:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/10 "2012-06-01T08:53:34Z")
So, after few weeks of experimenting I found out that ishine works just as well with 2 sprays like with 5 sprays In the meantime I ordered some more mones to try out: IH - To Go p83 - 5 mL To Go 12.5, mcg/spray p74 - 30 mL, 2.5 mcg/spray I must say that I recieved the order super fast (3 days to Croatia) šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2012, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/11 "2012-06-01T11:39:16Z")
> [@7omislav](#): > > I had good results with 3x Ammo and 2xIS on one girl but I think I need something more to spice things up or I will get stuck in the friendship zone because of my inertnessā€¦ Thatā€™s a pretty good combo to stay out of the friend zone actually šŸ™‚ If you like some spice, try adding some P83, a spray or two. Maybe some [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) as well, one or two sprays. ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 5:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/12 "2012-06-02T05:16:17Z")
Exactly the same thing that I have done šŸ™‚ 1 spray p83 and 2 p74 added to the mix and result was fabulous - she was looking at me while I was leaving her flat whole way until I got into the elevator I am very satisfied with my new purchase: IH - just as it says: Instant honesty in the bottle -people are saying all kind of things while Iā€™m wearing it. One girl says to me ā€œIā€™m going to pee nowā€ or one coworker saying that ā€œhe is taking afternoon napsā€ when he should be working -great stuff -p74 seems to get people singing ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2012, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/13 "2012-06-02T11:13:37Z")
> [@7omislav](#): > > Exactly the same thing that I have done šŸ™‚ > 1 spray p83 and 2 p74 added to the mix and result was fabulous - she was looking at me while I was leaving her flat whole way until I got into the elevator > > I am very satisfied with my new purchase: > > IH - just as it says: Instant honesty in the bottle > -people are saying all kind of things while Iā€™m wearing it. One girl says to me ā€œIā€™m going to pee nowā€ or one coworker saying that ā€œhe is taking afternoon napsā€ when he should be working > -great stuff > > -p74 seems to get people singing Glad to hear it works for you! Keep wearing this combo around the girl you like, the girl may see you as sexy boyfriend material, and with IH, two or three sprays, the effects will be more powerful and deeper, she will speak her mind more freely and if she likes you she will say so. Just keep the P74 lower than the AMMO, to keep the power of the sexual effects, and the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) higher than the P74. You made a good choice purchasing these products, youā€™ll have a lot of fun with it! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/14 "2012-06-03T04:52:40Z")
OK, Iā€™ve done the number crunching and found out ratios in my mix: ammo 22,5mcg IS 30mcg p83 12,5mcg p74 5mcg IH 30mcg I think I need a bit more p74 Any suggestions? ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 8:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/15 "2012-06-04T08:50:56Z")
> [@7omislav](#): > > OK, Iā€™ve done the number crunching and found out ratios in my mix: > > ammo 22,5mcg > IS 30mcg > p83 12,5mcg > p74 5mcg > IH 30mcg > > I think I need a bit more p74 > > Any suggestions? This is a bit advanced, but the mcg content you posted is the total pheromone content. AMMO, IS, IH each contain 3 [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). P74 and P83 are single molecules. So you need to know the actual mcg of each pheromone in order to work out the ratioā€™s more accurately. And the exact numbers of IH and IS are unknown. AMMO is known, itā€™s 7.5mcg Androstenone, 7.5mcg Androsterone, 7.5mcg Alpha Androstenol based on 3 sprays. From experience and what people have reported, P74 lower than Androstenone is safe enough to keep the sexual effects of the Androstenone. Usually putatives are used to steer a mix in a different direction or add something to a mix. High doses of putatives arenā€™t always beneficial as they could dominate a mix rather than complimenting it. ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 9:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/16 "2012-06-04T09:22:19Z")
I get it Basicly, I am at the right path, and if I want to make adjustments I have to do it by trial and error testing. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 3:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/17 "2012-06-05T15:00:27Z")
Yes, because only you will know what is going to work. The path is long, sometime arduous, but always fulfilling. Keep at it ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/18 "2012-07-22T04:21:58Z")
Yesterday i tried A314 again. I didnā€™t expect anything of it because I didnā€™t had good experiences with it. So, i did 1 spray in the morning before work 1/2 hour later I felt a rush sensation like described here in the forum Only difference between now and previous testing was weather temperature - now it was sunny and hot, like +35C ---
**Author:** ![7omislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/7/8491ac/32.png) [@7omislav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/7omislav)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2012, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/19 "2012-07-23T03:31:20Z")
Today the same thingā€¦ It wasnā€™t the weather - now its like +20C, cloudy Maybe A314 is like a good wine - it gets better with age šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![ziezi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ziezi/32/507_2.png) [@ziezi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ziezi)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2012, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/tomislavs-journey/55496/20 "2012-11-04T05:35:09Z")
> [@still18](#): > > ā€¦Just keep the P74 lower than the AMMO, to keep the power of the sexual effects, and the P83 higher than the P74ā€¦ [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) lower than the AMMO , and P83 higher than the P74 , but I will ask you : if I wear the these three mones , am I keep AMMO higher than the P83 or not? For example : AMMO \> P83 \> P74 . Do I understand correctly?