# Too much pheros = no result ?

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [July 5, 2007, 6:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/too-much-pheros-no-result/4478 "2007-07-05T06:06:27Z")\
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**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2007, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/too-much-pheros-no-result/4478/8 "2007-07-10T16:23:12Z")

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> [@capone](#):
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> You’re right Sigma but, IMO even knowing what does each product has (at least the pheros it has), and making a perfect or sinfonic mix or whatever, if it’s made of a lot of different pheros, people seem to try to understand your phero signature unconsciously and, if it is complicated or impossible, they simply ignore you. At least this is what I get from mixing (taking care or not) lots of pheros, if I use more than 3 or 4 basic pheros I take this effect. ☹

It can be done if the pheromones chosen compliment each other in such a way that it produces a logical, centralized effect. the trick to symphonic mixes is to focus on a centralized effect, and to choose pheromones that build around and facilitate that effect. Beyond knowing whats in each product and knowing what the pheromones do, you also have to have a good handle on the appropriate dosage for each pheromone, and also understand how different pheromones work when used together. With a good enough understanding of what each product and pheromone does, picking pheromones that go together when producing a particular type of effect really becomes intuitive. When pheromones complement each other, the synergy can create a much better, more pronounced effect overall, however, when you start mixing products that contradict each other, you can create a muddy effect that lacks and central focus and doesn’t register well with other people. There’s always, of course, the risk of OD.

Catlord’s Liquid Lust mixes were a very good example of symphonic mixes that work (look up the thread). Highly complex mixes, but the doses were carefully tweaked with each product. It should be noted that he tweaked and perfected his mix over the course of several months. Good symphonic mixes are the product of a lot of experimentation. I’ve consistently had good results with variations of the mixes I posted in my ‘king of the world’ thread too (mixes which I still use btw).

As far as mixing goes BMaster, definitely look at MHarris’ (the mastermind behind AD) old posts. Here’s a few posts from him that touch on what you’re looking for:

> [@Hello - 37 waiter in Atlanta](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-37-waiter-in-atlanta/1067/17):
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> Mixes work great, but is is very good to get to know each product separately , as Ail advised.
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> Think of the pheromones like colors. A great painter who knows each color, can make a wonderful overall picture. However, when you’re brand new to working with colors, you can take a few beautiful colors and make an ugly brown them them. Children do that all the time with crayons!
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> For this reason, one a time is often best at first… Spray just one of a highly diffusive spot, like the back of your hands, or back of the neck (where it’s warm), and then go close to people… work, coffee shop, party, bus/subway. Close with limited ventilation is best, especially in winter when diffusion is hampered due to the low temperatures.
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> When you’re talking with people, be sure act normal. Try to notice differences after the fact, so you don’t look like you’re “looking”. That can make you seem weird, which will affect your results.
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> If you want to see things change in a more obvious way, try applying in the middle of a meeting with one or more people. Excuse yourself to go the bathroom, apply 1 or 2 sprays of something, then come back. Now you’ll have something to compare against – how they were just moments ago, and how they’re reacting now. A very real “before and after”.
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> Also, men can be a little resistant to understanding body language at first. (I know first hand, I was probably one of the dumbest guys on earth when it came to understanding body language and social cues!)
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> Pickup artists call this male pattern blindness. It’s not terminal, though… after you use pheromones for awhile, you become better at understanding than ever. In just a month or so from now, you’ll have a better grasp of what people are doing than you ever did. You’ll also have a better grasp of what the pheromones actually do for vs. what happens when you don’t wear them.
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> Social wisdom comes with time and focus.
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> Keep on learnin’,  
> Michael

> [@I need some mixing advice asap. No time and I recieved my first order!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-need-some-mixing-advice-asap-no-time-and-i-recieved-my-first-order/1309/2):
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> Good god, wow!
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> My immediate advice: stop overdosing and mixing randomly. Especially don’t mix in experimental products like MX113.
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> Think of these like colors. You’re mixing bunch of colors from the box together blindly, and you’re making brown.
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> Done with intent, that can be okay, if you want that. However, if you want to stand out, you usually want to go either very basic, or extremely symphonic. (you don’t appear to have enough product to do the latter). “In the middle” gets much more natural social results (less out of the ordinary/less spottable – i.e., better for working environments and such)
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> For now, just try one at a time, until you get to know each. It comes faster than you think, but you really have to take it slow at first. Within a month, you’ll have far more chops (and greater social acuity) than you do now.
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> Now, if you want something very sexual tonight… none of those are extremely sexual, really, although MX113 is sexual leaning.
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> A314 is more of a status pheromone, useful for creating trust and respect. Some polite distance, too. It can be sexy to many, especially higher end women or women looking to settle down, but Statue of David “ball outs” sexual it usually “ain’t”.
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> Shine is exciting and youthful. Good for first stage seduction if you’re at all into “game” dynamics. Even if you aren’t, comfort and excitement building is key to most early relationships of any type. Women tend to allow sexuality to enter into the picture after they first feel comfortable with you.
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> Out of what you have, you may wish to use MX113 alone tonight… and don’t use too much! Maybe a spray on each hand. Apply it in the middle of the get together, if you can, so you have a real time baseline to compare against. (“It’s like this now… okay… and I’ll go to the bathroom, spray this on.. there… and now it’s like getting to be like this” – watch effects over time, since most people are good at maintaining their composure in the short term)
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> For the bar scene, you might want to try something with higher androstenone if you have it, such as Turn Up The Heat.
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> Androstenone gets good responses from women who are “in heat”. Luckily, women tend to go out on the town to bars when they are, so you’re going exactly where there’s be the highest concentration of such ladies. With this, too, don’t overdose. The more androstenone you use, the higher the age bracket you tend to stir.
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> Also, location matters. You’ll see Thomas Lavoie on this forum get great results with androstenone, but keep in mind that he’s near Montreal… a very sexually open place. I’ve even heard it called one of the most sexually open areas in the world. What works well there, might be far too strong initially for a more conservative area.
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> Just noticed you’re from Indiana. Wasn’t there long, just a stayover, but I remember it being very outwardly conservative… with lots of pent up sexual aggression, especially from the college crowd. More “out there” out behaviour seen at night, once people had the excuse of being drunk in order to truly express what they desired. (something to “blame it on” tommorow) That’s just one night of observation long ago, though, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt. You always need to work within or around your local culture and social dynamics, however. Every place is different.

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