# TOP 20 Drugs (Alcohol & Tobacco more dangerous then Ecstasy !??) **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [August 15, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590 "2009-08-15T09:13:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/1 "2009-08-15T09:13:08Z")
Probably you have red this before.. but i found it recently.. and i am shocked… are they serious?? Alcohol is just before cocaine and heroin … ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/b/b5eb90191008cb87d1d998f9814b6eef56ba241f.gif) **The most dangerous drugs** 1. Heroin - popular street names include smack, skag, and junk. 2. Cocaine - often referred to as snow, flake, coke, and blow. 3. Barbiturates - popular slang names include yellow jackets, reds, blues, Amy’s, and rainbows. 4. Street Methadone 5. Alcohol 6. Ketamine - a powerful hallucinogen, often referred to as Special K. 7. Benzodiazepines - a family of sedative drugs. 8. Amphetamines - known as greenies among baseball players. 9. Tobacco 10. Buprenorphine - also called bupe or subbies. 11. Cannabis - includes marijuana. 12. Solvents - volatile substances that can be inhaled, such as glue, nail polish remover, paints, hair spray, and lighter fuel (gas). 13. 4-MTA - is a derivative of amphetamine and has similar effects to ecstasy. 14. LSD 15. Methylphenidate - central nervous system stimulant, commonly sold as ritalin. 16. Anabolic steroids 17. GHB - short for Gamma hydroxybutyrate, a powerful central nervous system depressant, most commonly known as the date rape drug. 18. Ecstasy 19. Alkyl nitrates - group of drugs commonly referred to as poppers. 20. Khat - an amphetamine-like stimulant. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 9:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/2 "2009-08-15T09:13:39Z")
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**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 9:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/3 "2009-08-15T09:14:09Z")
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**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 9:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/4 "2009-08-15T09:14:34Z")
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**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 9:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/5 "2009-08-15T09:27:24Z")
Aah, I remember seeing a documentary about this! At first I was a little surprised to see alcohol and tobacco ranking this high, but when I thought about my father who destroyed himself completely as a heavy drinker and smoker and died in his early 50s, I could relate. Wasn’t a pretty sight seeing him looking more dead every day! I think what makes them especially dangerous is that they are - although indeed drugs - freely available to just about anyone and it’s completely ‘normal’ to use them. This makes people easily forget that these are nothing else than drugs… ---
**Author:** ![Tommy369](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tommy369/32/754_2.png) [@Tommy369](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tommy369)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/6 "2009-08-15T13:02:29Z")
This makes you really think especially the deaths from alcohol and tobacco compared to heroin and coke every year. Now the fight against tobacco is already underway as most countries having strict non smoking policies. But alcohol is to ingrained in most societies and its misuse is here to stay. And banning alcohol is like telling America to ban guns, imo its never gonna happen. More future restrictions…perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![overlord](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/overlord/32/2387_2.png) [@overlord](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/overlord)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/7 "2009-08-15T13:54:39Z")
Well it’s something I’ve thought about before, for instance there’s alot more damage done to the body when you get drunk then when you get high from cannabis while the addictive properties are very much the same of both substances. Yet cannabis is illegal in almost every country in the world and drinking alcohol is socialy accepted. Not that people should start using weed or anything, but it’s pretty weird when you think about it ---
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/8 "2009-08-15T17:16:31Z")
> [@Tommy369](#): > > This makes you really think especially the deaths from alcohol and tobacco compared to heroin and coke every year. Now the fight against tobacco is already underway as most countries having strict non smoking policies. > > But alcohol is to ingrained in most societies and its misuse is here to stay. And banning alcohol is like telling America to ban guns, imo its never gonna happen. More future restrictions…perhaps. Except guns are a constitutional right in the U.S. and alcohol isn’t. Although with the “living constitution” crowd waxing who knows? ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/9 "2009-08-15T18:32:55Z")
think about how many deaths are caused by drunk driving every year but i still do not think they should ban alcohol, it is up to the individual person to be responsibility for his actions ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/10 "2009-08-15T19:31:46Z")
In moderate amounts, alcohol, especially red wine, has well documented health benefits. The problem is some people don’t understand “moderate” and drink themselves to death. Of course, I’d venture to guess, judging from the amount of obese folk I see everyday, the most dangerous drug is actually food. For whatever reason–comfort, sugar craving, etc.–America is eating itself to death. Europeans seem to eat less than Yanks and appeared a lot slimmer than North Americans when I visited Europe last summer. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/11 "2009-08-17T15:54:47Z")
This is looking at number of users vs. number of deaths - IT would seem from that statistic that alchohol is much more dangerous Here is the problem with using this statistic as the sole evaluation of a substances “death potential” - it doesn’t take into consideration frequency of use (or abuse) We don’t see how they determine the number of users - is it everyone who admits to any use? If so then the 1 cigarette a week (while drunk) smoker gets added to the total number of users. It also doesn’t take into consideration frequency of use - Someone who binge drinks 5 times a week is given the same weight as someone who only drinks one glass of wine daily. I would imagine that a statistic looking at the danger on a per use basis (how likely are you to die every time you drop ex vs. per drinking session) you would see a different picture. Even that picture is skewed though because it wouldn’t take into consideration addiction. Finally - we don’t see how they determine number of deaths… if a meth addict kills someone mugging them so he can get high again is that added to the total number of meth deaths? (probably not) When a drunk driver crashes and kills 4 people are they all added to the yearly alchohol death count (probably) The fact that marijuana is more dangerous than ex makes me very suspicious of this list… simply put marijuana has almost no immediate use danger where ex can be dangerous every single time you use it (especially if you aren’t being careful about your sourcing). ---
**Author:** ![zeph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/85e7bf/32.png) [@zeph](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zeph)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/12 "2009-08-17T16:18:46Z")
1 death a year from cannabis… I find that pretty suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Smerc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7993a0/32.png) [@Smerc](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Smerc)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/13 "2009-12-16T20:18:58Z")
Stop spamming. [MyTherapy Discussion Forums - Anxiety/Depression consequence of Ecstasy](http://www.mytherapy.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1382) . Very bottom post. Anyways this list is garbage like some of the above said. The amounts it takes to kill is surely not calculated. There is a specific limit you can pass or just a bad reaction. Stupidity also doesn’t come into play. So I am surprised weed is even on this list. ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/top-20-drugs-alcohol-tobacco-more-dangerous-then-ecstasy/31590/14 "2009-12-17T23:54:14Z")
Hmmm, if you look at deaths/users they are pretty high up, but I’d rather have a friend smoke ciggarettes, live a fulfilling productive life and then get lung cancer at 72 than getting addicted to herion, steal whore and beg to die at 32. It is not just about how many die, but also when and how the quality of life is while using.