# Topping up pheros throughout the day and over dosing question **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 4, 2014, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851 "2014-05-04T10:58:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/1 "2014-05-04T10:58:39Z")
I have read in this forum is different posts that alot of phero users top up their pheros throughout the day because they’re not as effective after a few hours. If you spray IS in the morning and then spray some more later in the day, say evening when it is supposed to have stopped having an effect on yourself and others around you, are you over dosing if you spray that IS on top of IS that you haven’t cleaned off? Or is this ok for IS? 😕 I know that if you top up ammo you have to be careful because the base component of androstenone is still there hours later, so should you clean first and then re-apply with pheros like ammo and IG? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/2 "2014-05-04T15:23:05Z")
As far as IS is concerned, an evening topup on top of a morning application won’t be running any risk of OD. IS’s main activity is in the 3-4 hour range and it dwindles away to nothing very rapidly after that and whatever it breaks down to, it ain’t none. So topping-up IS tends to be a more frequent thing for me and for this reason I tend to keep it to different application points to the rest of my mix, so I can wash or not as the moment decides. Other pheros are a different story - mostly twofold as I’m using my topups to combat/balance the degradation to none over time of some pheros in a mix (notably nols or A1 if I’m using it), or i’m trying to shape/steer my mixes in a particular direction (usually more sexual) as the night goes-on. So its arguable that washing/reapplying might be better in some situations but not in others. This is only really decided by experience and your judging the responses you are getting in the moment. Sometimes its good, sometimes not. The one thing I’m not usually doing is trying to preserve the exact same balance/effect of a mix as the time goes-on. More usually I’m looking to increase its impact and steer it in other ways tht will come-in more useful as the escalation builds. To that end, the propensity of many pheros to degrade to none is quite useful, as I don’t have to worry about that aspect, so long as its not into OD compared to the rest of the mix (which becomes less of a problem as the subject becomes more uninhibited/turned-on etc) and they don’t start stinking that is! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 12:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/3 "2014-05-05T00:11:01Z")
> [@Username1234](#): > > If you spray IS in the morning and then spray some more later in the day, say evening when it is supposed to have stopped having an effect on yourself and others around you, are you over dosing if you spray that IS on top of IS that you haven’t cleaned off? Or is this ok for IS? 😕 Like Mobo said, IS has a really short life. For me, it doesn’t really last past 2 hours. Topping up doesn’t really add to the previous dose much. And with IS, it’s nearly impossible to OD anyway. When we say that pheros stop being effective, this is actually a pretty complex statement. For you, the wearer, self-effects will decrease before effects on others will. Since you are exposed the longest (and to the strongest concentration of pheros), your body starts building a tolerance. Others are exposed for a much shorter length of time, and the concentration has dissipated considerably by the time it reaches their nose. There is pretty much no fear of someone becoming immune in the space of one day. Maybe if they are sitting on your lap all day long. And even then, probably not complete immunity. With repeat exposure every day for a number of days in a row, for hours at a time (such as in the workplace), a person (other than the wearer) could start building a tolerance. The solution to this is simple: change up your phero signature for a couple of days, or go phero-naked for a bit so their senses can be “reset”. Then you’ll be able to return with full impact once more. ---
**Author:** ![Username1234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/43a26b/32.png) [@Username1234](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Username1234)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 12:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/4 "2014-05-05T12:59:40Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > As far as IS is concerned, an evening topup on top of a morning application won’t be running any risk of OD. IS’s main activity is in the 3-4 hour range and it dwindles away to nothing very rapidly after that and whatever it breaks down to, it ain’t none. > judging the responses you are getting in the moment. Sometimes its good, sometimes not. Once when I tested IS I noticed a ghosting like affect on people. I sprayed two sprays of IS in the morning, and noticed lots of IOIs, later I sprayed a couple of IS X2 strength and then literally no one was looking at me. Then I washed the area I had sprayed and literally minutes later lots of IOIs again. It seems that at around 4-6 sprays of IS it might be enough for women to not show interest in an obvious way as they do when I use 2 sprays of IS. Have you noticed this kind of reaction when wearing lots of IS? ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/5 "2014-05-05T20:22:15Z")
I have never ghosted with IS and I have never OD’s on IS. It may be all in your mind. You have to be careful when wearing [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Your belief in the alleged properties of the pheromone you are wearing will mess with your head. If I prepared a special mix and told you that you could ask any woman out on a date and they would say yes would you use it? Of course you would and while wearing it your mind would tell you to be more confident. You will walk and act with confidence even though you may be only wearing scented water. Not knowing that you are wearing scented water you might even ask a 9 or 10 out on a date. Try and pierce the veil of fiction and observe what is really happening. You must also demonstrate congruency. If you are wearing IS you can’t walk around looking depressed. You have to at least smile at people within your cloud (3-5ft area). Pheromones affect women like lipstick affects men. It’s a tool and a prop to help you. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/6 "2014-05-05T21:08:46Z")
Yes, I agree that its unlikely to be ghosting in the conventional sense but IS (and pheros in general) will not be useful in all situations/moods and it could simply be that your phero did not catch the moment for many of the people around you, then later it did. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/7 "2014-05-05T23:16:55Z")
> [@Username1234](#): > > Once when I tested IS I noticed a ghosting like affect on people. I sprayed two sprays of IS in the morning, and noticed lots of IOIs, later I sprayed a couple of IS X2 strength and then literally no one was looking at me. Then I washed the area I had sprayed and literally minutes later lots of IOIs again. > > It seems that at around 4-6 sprays of IS it might be enough for women to not show interest in an obvious way as they do when I use 2 sprays of IS. Have you noticed this kind of reaction when wearing lots of IS? I have never experienced ghosting with IS. The most I’ve ever worn was 6 sprays at regular strength. I was with a group of friends who were all frustrated and arguing. Mid-argument, I slipped into the nearby restroom and baptized. Within moments of my return, the argument just melted. People started smiling, laughing it off, and hugging. Everyone’s attitude changed at the same time. Definitely not OD. Back when I first started trying IS, I was a bit annoyed that people didn’t seem to acknowledge that the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) signature was coming from me. I’d see people’s moods brighten around me, and they would interact with each other more pleasantly. But I felt like scenery. It’s not that I was ghosted, I just wasn’t recognized as the source. I started using some p102 with it, and that seemed to correct the problem (but then it caused other problems, so I don’t recommend doing IS with p102 alone!) So maybe that’s what your experiencing. People could be benefitting from the effects of your pheros without realizing it’s coming from you. ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/8 "2014-05-08T17:29:53Z")
I don’t agree with the “hard to OD” statement on IS… maybe I’m just extra sensitive to pheromones, but I’ve found that if I keep using IS throughout the day or go over 3 initial sprays, I get a massive headache and feel anxious. I don’t think it’s from the scent alone either. I had this effect with another product containing TAA (well I suspect, because I had the exact same reaction, bar the effects of the different product). ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 5:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/9 "2014-05-09T05:33:32Z")
Headache is a common side effect of pheromones, not a symptom of OD. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2014, 1:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/topping-up-pheros-throughout-the-day-and-over-dosing-question/61851/10 "2014-05-09T13:38:46Z")
androstenone can last 17 hours or so on skin, maybe longer. It’s the spiderman of pheros. It’s not even very easy to wash off with soap! You have to scrub. [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) and P76 are similar mollecules. I find P75 will stick to you all day, but it’s safer in terms of effects. It makes sense to do 1/2 sprays of Heat to top off after you did 1-2 full sprays earlier in the day. I usually spray it to the backs of my hands or forearms so that way you can just wash it off in the sink before reapplying. Packing a white cotton washcloth makes it all easier. I would want to be confident about how well it was scrubbed before adding another spray over 1/2.