# Total noobie to pheromones! **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [January 25, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906 "2011-01-25T23:31:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/21 "2011-01-27T23:42:09Z")
[quote=“MuskCloud”] Use each one alone and try to get a feel for how they effect you and others around you first before jumping into combinations. All of the products you have ordered, including androstadienone, are capable of getting you to where you want to be. Some might pull the wheel in one direction, others will pull it the other way. But they will get you there in the end. You’re still the driver though and you are ultimately responsible for success or failure. Too many pheromones at once will result in the car weaving all over the road, out of control. Too many signals and too many hands fighting over the wheel. You catch my drift? I’m not going to be popular with the throw-everything-in-but-the-kitchen-sink crowd, but the single products will work fine. Musk/QUOTE I like your style. Thanks for the tip. Happy Pheramoning, OC ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/22 "2011-01-28T19:42:33Z")
OK, so I just received my 4 bottles. I bought a roll on that smells the same as the orangy smell & sprayed on IS X2 IH X2 & IG X2 on kneck & wrists waited about 45 minutes and came home. Not 2 seconds passed & my wife exclaimed “you smell like colone!” (like I said she can’t stand anything but “secret” deoderant) I said it was my new deoderant. So she make me shower, scrub & put bleach on myself until there wasn’t a trace of the scent left. I hope that Androtics can make something that smells like secret deoderant, otherwise I’m stuck. ---
**Author:** ![Spinach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spinach/32/348_2.png) [@Spinach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spinach)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/23 "2011-01-28T22:31:11Z")
Hmm, maybe you put on too much? You can get fragrances customised for most of the products in the website but I don’t know what secret deoderant smells like, sorry. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/24 "2011-01-30T01:20:17Z")
> [@Spinach](#): > > Hmm, maybe you put on too much? You can get fragrances customised for most of the products in the website but I don’t know what secret deoderant smells like, sorry. 😕 It smells baby powder-ish. I’m sure that one of your friends wear it. It’s the main deoderant sold in Right Aid & other fine pharmacies. maybe she won’t react the same to oil based concentrated formula (if they can make that for me). ---
**Author:** ![Spinach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/spinach/32/348_2.png) [@Spinach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Spinach)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/25 "2011-01-30T03:43:41Z")
Sorry, I don’t live in the US so I don’t know, maybe you could PM one of the more experienced members or the staff? (I know I’m not being much help - I’m really sorry! ☹) ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/26 "2011-01-30T12:40:50Z")
> [@Spinach](#): > > Sorry, I don’t live in the US so I don’t know, maybe you could PM one of the more experienced members or the staff? (I know I’m not being much help - I’m really sorry! ☹) No reason to apologize while trying to help me. She was actually coughing through the night even after it was off. It might be the alchohol mixed with the purfume that did it. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/27 "2011-01-30T13:40:42Z")
> [@OCEANCOUNTY](#): > > After reading what Mickaelia wrote (“she”), I thought that that the ordering of your suggestions were interesting. I didn’t realize that you were female. In that case I’m wondering why you would suggest using a sexual stimulant b4 a gradual attractant, which is what I thought ladies need first? Generally women do need the gradual attractant before the stimulant but this is your wife we are talking about. She already has preconceived notions about you and should have a decent level of comfort and trust around you. So using the stimulant right out of the gate is fine. > [@OCEANCOUNTY](#): > > Tried finding A 1 or A-1 or A1 on Love scent, but nothing comesup. > BTW what do you think would be a really incognito (as far as scent is concerned) with “doing the job” that I need done (for my dear wife who is SUPER DUPER sensitive to any scent besides her ‘secret brand’ deoderant)? Does she like all of the secret brand deodorants of just one particular one ? If its just the baby powder one she likes you can get this at [Demeter](http://www.demeterfragrance.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=1031) and put your A1 in it and see it that works for you. You could also try using it as a cover for your pheromones from here. I would purchase a few empty to-go size bottles here so you can mix your A-1 in a separate bottle instead of tainting the original. Also keep in mind demeter fragrances dont last all day so you may need to apply more later. It depends on the scent really. I suggest since your wife has such a sensitivity to scents that you start real slow. First just use the baby powder smell and see how that go’s for a few days. Let her get used to it. Tell her its secret and nothing else. Scent perception is learned. Here is a study that may interest you. [Sense of smell institute](http://www.senseofsmell.org/papers/J.%20Gottfried-Learning%20Odor%20Perception-final%20w%20logo.pdf) Just keep in mind pheromones work a little differently then the normal scents, they work more on a subconscious level. Then use one product and cover it with the baby powder smell. Just use one spray. Even half if you need to. Let her get used to it. Oh and there is a trick to covering scents so the bottom scent doesn’t bleed through as much. Apply your pheromones then wait 10 to 15 minutes to dry down then cover. This doesn’t give the scents a chance to blend. You dont want to blend if scent is a issue you want to cover. Slowly go up in dose so you can reprogram her perception of smell. > [@OCEANCOUNTY](#): > > OK, so I just received my 4 bottles. I bought a roll on that smells the same as the orangy smell & sprayed on IS X2 IH X2 & IG X2 on kneck & wrists waited about 45 minutes and came home. Not 2 seconds passed & my wife exclaimed “you smell like colone!” (like I said she can’t stand anything but “secret” deoderant) I said it was my new deoderant. So she make me shower, scrub & put bleach on myself until there wasn’t a trace of the scent left. I hope that Androtics can make something that smells like secret deoderant, otherwise I’m stuck. They have light neroli which drys down much lighter then regular strength neroli and they do sell unscented. Unscented is gonna cost you more. First try what I suggested above. Then if that doesn’t work think about trying the baby powder scent with unscented if your still interested in pheromones. Another interesting tidbit… The sense of smell Institute did a study on which scents people find arousing and increase blood flow to the penile and vaginal areas. Baby powder increased blood flow by 8% in women. Cucumber and pumpkin were even higher and she may be able to tolerate these type scents better then perfume or cologne. Hope this gives you some ideals on how to approach this. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/28 "2011-01-30T14:09:39Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Generally women do need the gradual attractant before the stimulant but this is your wife we are talking about. She already has preconceived notions about you and should have a decent level of comfort and trust around you. So using the stimulant right out of the gate is fine. > > Does she like all of the secret brand deodorants of just one particular one ? > > If its just the baby powder one she likes you can get this at [Demeter](http://www.demeterfragrance.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=1031) and put your A1 in it and see it that works for you. You could also try using it as a cover for your pheromones from here. I would purchase a few empty to-go size bottles here so you can mix your A-1 in a separate bottle instead of tainting the original. Also keep in mind demeter fragrances dont last all day so you may need to apply more later. It depends on the scent really. > > I suggest since your wife has such a sensitivity to scents that you start real slow. First just use the baby powder smell and see how that go’s for a few days. Let her get used to it. Tell her its secret and nothing else. Scent perception is learned. Here is a study that may interest you. > > [Sense of smell institute](http://www.senseofsmell.org/papers/J.%20Gottfried-Learning%20Odor%20Perception-final%20w%20logo.pdf) > > Just keep in mind pheromones work a little differently then the normal scents, they work more on a subconscious level. > > Then use one product and cover it with the baby powder smell. Just use one spray. Even half if you need to. Let her get used to it. Oh and there is a trick to covering scents so the bottom scent doesn’t bleed through as much. Apply your pheromones then wait 10 to 15 minutes to dry down then cover. This doesn’t give the scents a chance to blend. You dont want to blend if scent is a issue you want to cover. Slowly go up in dose so you can reprogram her perception of smell. > > They have light neroli which drys down much lighter then regular strength neroli and they do sell unscented. Unscented is gonna cost you more. First try what I suggested above. Then if that doesn’t work think about trying the baby powder scent with unscented if your still interested in pheromones. > > Another interesting tidbit… The sense of smell Institute did a study on which scents people find arousing and increase blood flow to the penile and vaginal areas. Baby powder increased blood flow by 8% in women. Cucumber and pumpkin were even higher and she may be able to tolerate these type scents better then perfume or cologne. > > Hope this gives you some ideals on how to approach this. > > Tisha You’re right on the mark! That was the type of info that I was looking for! Would you know if Adrotics can prepare a concentrated mixture so that I can used more phero’s & less scent? & do they have oil based (which supposedly has a very light scent similsr to shampoo) other products besides the A314 - let’s say in beta form like the mx’s & p’s? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/29 "2011-01-30T14:27:02Z")
> [@OCEANCOUNTY](#): > > You’re right on the mark! That was the type of info that I was looking for! > Would you know if Adrotics can prepare a concentrated mixture so that I can used more phero’s & less scent? > > & do they have oil based (which supposedly has a very light scent similsr to shampoo) other products besides the A314 - let’s say in beta form like the mx’s & p’s? Well in some of the consumer products you can get them in 2X 4X concentrations in the custom additions section of the store or from the drop down menu right next to the product. I would do that for the social mones like IH IO or Ishine. They do have double [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and TUTH is 2.5 mcg and 5.0 mcgs but I would start on those with the lower dose. That’s gonna depend on your ages and I dont recall you mentioning your age other then 4th decade. How old is she, the same ? The putatives you can get in different doses. There is a drop down menu. Usually we dont suggest advanced products to new members but because putatives are single molecules that smell less B O-ish then most other mones they could be a option. I would need to know more about both your personalities, age, race and whether she is on a pill. These all make a difference. No A314 is the only oil product they carry. Oils dont smell lighter they just diffuse from the body slower and last longer. It still depends on the scent your using. Some EO’s can smell very strong even diluted. Tish ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/30 "2011-01-31T03:29:58Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well in some of the consumer products you can get them in 2X 4X concentrations in the custom additions section of the store or from the drop down menu right next to the product. I would do that for the social mones like IH IO or Ishine. They do have double Ammo and TUTH is 2.5 mcg and 5.0 mcgs but I would start on those with the lower dose. That’s gonna depend on your ages and I dont recall you mentioning your age other then 4th decade. How old is she, the same ? > > The putatives you can get in different doses. There is a drop down menu. Usually we dont suggest advanced products to new members but because putatives are single molecules that smell less B O-ish then most other mones they could be a option. I would need to know more about both your personalities, age, race and whether she is on a pill. These all make a difference. > > No A314 is the only oil product they carry. Oils dont smell lighter they just diffuse from the body slower and last longer. It still depends on the scent your using. Some EO’s can smell very strong even diluted. > > Tish I appreciate your help. The SECRET deoderant is POWDER FRESH. We are both caucasian and of European decent. My wife is 34. She isn’t on birth control, but she does have a hormonal IUD. She is intelligent, very very caring & sensitive to everyone’s (even strangers) needs. She is very tuned in to that. She tends to be more of a nervous & pessimistic type. She is physically (e.g. with scents) & emotionally very sensitive. She is the take over and take care of it type although she wants to feel taken care of by me (as all woman want). I’m 39. I enjoy intellectual and novel type of involvements. I’m not as tuned in nor nearly as sensitive to vibes from and needs of others. I’m pretty laid back and therefore more daring and willing to explore new things… (that’s basically it in a nutshell). ---
**Author:** ![Tinley88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9f8e36/32.png) [@Tinley88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Tinley88)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/31 "2011-01-31T04:27:01Z")
ME TOO…Im A Noob to this site as well. ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 4:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/32 "2011-01-31T04:38:27Z")
> [@Tinley88](#): > > ME TOO…Im A Noob to this site as well. Welcome! They seem very nice and eager to genuinely help here! It’s interesting to discover a whole world out there that you never new existed - like this one. I can now smell pheromones when I smell my baby girl’s head! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2011, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/33 "2011-01-31T12:24:03Z")
> [@OCEANCOUNTY](#): > > I appreciate your help. > The SECRET deoderant is POWDER FRESH. > We are both caucasian and of European decent. My wife is 34. She isn’t on birth control, but she does have a hormonal IUD. She is intelligent, very very caring & sensitive to everyone’s (even strangers) needs. She is very tuned in to that. She tends to be more of a nervous & pessimistic type. She is physically (e.g. with scents) & emotionally very sensitive. She is the take over and take care of it type although she wants to feel taken care of by me (as all woman want). > I’m 39. I enjoy intellectual and novel type of involvements. I’m not as tuned in nor nearly as sensitive to vibes from and needs of others. I’m pretty laid back and therefore more daring and willing to explore new things… (that’s basically it in a nutshell). If she has a hormonal IUD she should still be ovulating. Only a small percentage stop from the IUD. The pill on the other hand stops ovulation which stops the sex drive dead in its tracks and pheromones cant fix that usually. Ironic I know LOL. Ok from your descriptions your headed in the right direction with products. Go with the consumers first of course and work them in slow like I suggested. Also try P74 and P83. P74 is great for so many reasons. Basicially it enhances bonding and feelings of well being. It inspires people to be more accomidating to your needs. P83 is more sensual and makes women more expresive in a sensual or sexual fashion. The only other one I suggest is P93 for its sexually uplifting vibe. When you ready for putatives go with these three. They been around a long time and are well tested and effective. Gotta run off to work but I will be back later if you have questions Tisha ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/34 "2011-02-01T01:40:41Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > If she has a hormonal IUD she should still be ovulating. Only a small percentage stop from the IUD. The pill on the other hand stops ovulation which stops the sex drive dead in its tracks and pheromones cant fix that usually. Ironic I know LOL. > > Ok from your descriptions your headed in the right direction with products. Go with the consumers first of course and work them in slow like I suggested. > > Also try P74 and P83. P74 is great for so many reasons. Basicially it enhances bonding and feelings of well being. It inspires people to be more accomidating to your needs. P83 is more sensual and makes women more expresive in a sensual or sexual fashion. The only other one I suggest is P93 for its sexually uplifting vibe. When you ready for putatives go with these three. They been around a long time and are well tested and effective. > > Gotta run off to work but I will be back later if you have questions > > Tisha Good Evening & thank you! You’re very informative & helpful! I just ordered the baby scent spray. Have you yourself tried spraying your own perfume on [unscented pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/)? What’s the link to order unscented IH IO IG A314 TUTH…? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 11:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/35 "2011-02-01T11:37:19Z")
> [@OCEANCOUNTY](#): > > Good Evening & thank you! > You’re very informative & helpful! > I just ordered the baby scent spray. **Have you yourself tried spraying your own perfume on unscented pheromones?** > What’s the link to order unscented IH IO IG A314 TUTH…? Yes but I am highly experienced with pheromones. I mentioned Unscented as your last alternative if all else fails and as I mentioned it can be expensive. I would get a few products in neroli first in the to go size. The binders are in the scent carrier so this helps with diffusion although since it is your wife and I am sure your in close contact you wont need massive diffusion as much as if you were just out and about. Start slow I am not trying to encourage you to go out and spend a whole ton of money LOL I strongly suggest you the covering tips I mentioned in my first post before spending money on unscented. When and if you do get unscented (keep in mind this doesn’t mean no smell just no cover scent) you have to get it in the 30 ml bottle. You have to buy both the product and then the scent choice. So for instance you put IH in your cart then go here \>\>\> [Custom Additions](https://a314.com/). I was just thinking that grapefruit scent may be a option for you to. She may be less sensitive to the foody type scents. The putatives I mentioned you can get in regular cologne strength or light neroli. Just click on the product and there is a drop down box. You can also get them unscented but you have to call the store. If you explain that the reason is scent is such a issue with your wife they may help you out on that. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![OCEANCOUNTY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/b77776/32.png) [@OCEANCOUNTY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OCEANCOUNTY)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/36 "2011-02-01T15:35:21Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Yes but I am highly experienced with pheromones. I mentioned Unscented as your last alternative if all else fails and as I mentioned it can be expensive. I would get a few products in neroli first in the to go size. The binders are in the scent carrier so this helps with diffusion although since it is your wife and I am sure your in close contact you wont need massive diffusion as much as if you were just out and about. Start slow I am not trying to encourage you to go out and spend a whole ton of money LOL I strongly suggest you the covering tips I mentioned in my first post before spending money on unscented. > > When and if you do get unscented (keep in mind this doesn’t mean no smell just no cover scent) you have to get it in the 30 ml bottle. You have to buy both the product and then the scent choice. So for instance you put IH in your cart then go here \>\>\> [Custom Additions](https://a314.com/). I was just thinking that grapefruit scent may be a option for you to. She may be less sensitive to the foody type scents. > > The putatives I mentioned you can get in regular cologne strength or light neroli. Just click on the product and there is a drop down box. You can also get them unscented but you have to call the store. If you explain that the reason is scent is such a issue with your wife they may help you out on that. > > Tisha I’m gonna go with the baby powder scent from Demetre like you reccomended before. I already tried the neroli & nearly had to do m to m ressusitation on my wife. Also she’s going to wonder why yesterday I smelled like an orange and today like a grapefruit or a pumpkin. So I’m basically at my last draw - of using unscented. I tried other unscented phero’s in the past (in very close proximity) but without extra fragrance to diffuse it properly. They didn’t seem to do diddly squat. Thanks for your educational input & experience. I think you realy deserve a cut on my future orders! ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2011, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906/37 "2011-02-08T23:03:24Z")
Welcome to pherotalk Oceancounty! Why is it that I never replied to your thread and welcomed you. Shame on me. I guess this kind of neglect deserves punishment. Luckily for me I got an excellent team that kept you busy so you were not lonely without me. Your gc was issued! 😃 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/total-noobie-to-pheromones/44906.md?page=1)