# Trade in offer -- full value gift cert for products you don't want

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [April 30, 2006, 4:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323 "2006-04-30T04:13:07Z")\
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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/21 "2006-05-01T23:48:46Z")

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I have an almost full bottle of pherlure.😃

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**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\
**Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/22 "2006-05-01T23:55:34Z")

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> [@lienjie](#):
>
> Greets! This is my first post and w/ an offer like this it was hard to remain silent!
> 
> I also have some lovescent products that, for whatever reason, just don’t seem to provide the effect I’m looking for.
> 
> The products are: Alter Ego, The Edge (unscented), and the New Pheromone Additive. All are more than 3/4 full
> 
> I’ll be the first to admit that in my at least a 1 year experience w/mones my results have been less than thrilling.
> 
> But I know they work cuz’ I’ve seen things happen that could only be attributed to mones. It’s just that these experiences are too rare for the frequency that I use mones.
> 
> I’m cab driver, and I get attractive females in my cab several times during a week. I can count on one hand the # of good mone experiences. I can also remember times when I’ve had several females in my cab who: 1. all sat in the backseat (5) and declined the open seat(I offered) up front, next to me; or 2. engaged in conversation (sometimes quite sexual) as though I wasn’t there and hardly spoke two words to me, even if they happened to be sitting right next to me.(ODing maybe).
> 
> As cab drivers go(or anyone, for that matter), I’m clean, dress well, the cab nor I smell, I look far younger than I am. I may no be the prettiest guy, but I’m also far from a beast. All pluses as I see, but even though I can’t seem to get these mones to work for, not against me I am not going to give up! So what do you say?

Welcome!

I already have used all 3 of those products, but I’ll take _The Edge_ off your hands, just because I remember liking it. It would be nice for me to revisit and compare against _Turn Up The Heat_ sometime.

Alter Ego I can definitely do without.

I’ll consider the NPA.

Actually – guys – if you want his Alter Ego or NPA, makes him offers via PM.

Is that ok? 🙂

As far as the responses, well… you’re definitely a beast with those 3 products!

All are very heavy handed, especially in the close confines of a taxi.

You have about a 1 in 56th chance of an androstenone product getting a good response, if you go by ovulatory windows. “Bad” girls like it, too, but it’s often the kind of “bad” that’s actually, well… you know… _bad._

For someone in your position, I’d try almost anything else. In fact, I’m tempted to take everything off your hands, just so you can.

I’d say for a taxi that [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) would be great. It’s light, fun, chatty, and even mildly euphoric – just about the polar opposite of what you have.

Instant Honesty would be very interesting. You’d be more like a bartender than a taxi cab driver, ala “Taxicab Confessions”. Could be great fun.

You almost hint that you’re tough looking, and Shine is another feel good pheromone.

That’s what I’d do… I’d start with the feel good products, and maybe experiment with A314 sometime down the line to see if the Respect & Trust effect works for you. And, of course, we take back consumer products for return & exchange even if you don’t like them. I know some shops are more limiting, but it’s very important to me to make sure you get an effect you want.

Pheromones can _definitely_ enhance your life, if only by making it more fun and enjoyable. We’re each alllotted only so many hours to live, and we really have to make the most of it.

I think most users here would agree that if you even just went with a more social response, more than sexual, that it’d make your life richer and more memorabe.

Given that you’ve been disappointed with pheromones in the past, I’ll make this extra easy for you:

Go ahead and PM (private message) the user “Jasmin” and she’ll give you your gift cert immediately for The Edge, and when you use it to buy anything, we’ll include a return envelope to send to us in.

Sound good? 🙂

Also, anyone else here have suggestions for this gentleman?

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 12:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/23 "2006-05-02T00:14:22Z")

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> [@MHarris](#):
>
> Also, anyone else here have suggestions for this gentleman?

Well, my comments are at the bottom of page 2, but… I think you are right on target with the “social mones” suggestion. Probably take him out of “invisable” mode. (Maids, butlers, and bus boys all seem to fall into the same “invisable” mode.)

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**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/24 "2006-05-02T00:23:15Z")

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> [@Homura83](#):
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> I have an almost full bottle of pherlure.😃

Is it the one that some people rave about smelling great, or the oldest one that “smells like BO”?

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**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 12:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/25 "2006-05-02T00:26:15Z")

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> [@Mtnjim](#):
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> Well, my comments are at the bottom of page 2, but… I think you are right on target with the “social mones” suggestion. Probably take him out of “invisable” mode. (Maids, butlers, and bus boys all seem to fall into the same “invisable” mode.)

Good comments, too.

He did seem to experience some transfer effect. i.e., the mones worked on the targets, but the targets didn’t attribute what they felt to him.

I know there’s some people in the service industry (mostly restaurant) making good use of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty, though. They can tell they’re working well, because their tips go up.

Haven’t gotten many reports back about Shine’s use in the service industry yet, but I imagine it would complement Instant Openness in such a setting really well.

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**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/26 "2006-05-02T00:32:12Z")

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> [@MHarris](#):
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> I know there’s some people in the service industry (mostly restaurant) making good use of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), though. They can tell they’re working well, because their tips go up.

Generally, waiters/waitresses don’t have that “invisibility” issue the bus boy does. Whe waite staff have a lot of interaction with their clients whereas, the bus boy makes the mess “magically disappear”. Just like the maid makes the mess “magically disappear” (if you ever want to be a cat burgler, dress as a maid, nobody notices them) and the cab driver “magically gets you to your destination”.

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**Author:** ![lienjie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85e7bf/32.png) [@lienjie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lienjie)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/27 "2006-05-02T00:58:05Z")

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> [@MHarris](#):
>
> Welcome!
> 
> I already have used all 3 of those products, but I’ll take _The Edge_ off your hands, just because I remember liking it. It would be nice for me to revisit and compare against _Turn Up The Heat_ sometime.
> 
> Alter Ego I can definitely do without.
> 
> I’ll consider the NPA.
> 
> Actually – guys – if you want his Alter Ego or NPA, makes him offers via PM.
> 
> Is that ok? 🙂
> 
> As far as the responses, well… you’re definitely a beast with those 3 products!
> 
> All are very heavy handed, especially in the close confines of a taxi.
> 
> You have about a 1 in 56th chance of an androstenone product getting a good response, if you go by ovulatory windows. “Bad” girls like it, too, but it’s often the kind of “bad” that’s actually, well… you know… _bad._
> 
> For someone in your position, I’d try almost anything else. In fact, I’m tempted to take everything off your hands, just so you can.
> 
> I’d say for a taxi that Instant Openness would be great. It’s light, fun, chatty, and even mildly euphoric – just about the polar opposite of what you have.
> 
> Instant Honesty would be very interesting. You’d be more like a bartender than a taxi cab driver, ala “Taxicab Confessions”. Could be great fun.
> 
> You almost hint that you’re tough looking, and Shine is another feel good pheromone.
> 
> That’s what I’d do… I’d start with the feel good products, and maybe experiment with A314 sometime down the line to see if the Respect & Trust effect works for you. And, of course, we take back consumer products for return & exchange even if you don’t like them. I know some shops are more limiting, but it’s very important to me to make sure you get an effect you want.
> 
> Pheromones can _definitely_ enhance your life, if only by making it more fun and enjoyable. We’re each alllotted only so many hours to live, and we really have to make the most of it.
> 
> I think most users here would agree that if you even just went with a more social response, more than sexual, that it’d make your life richer and more memorabe.
> 
> Given that you’ve been disappointed with pheromones in the past, I’ll make this extra easy for you:
> 
> Go ahead and PM (private message) the user “Jasmin” and she’ll give you your gift cert immediately for The Edge, and when you use it to buy anything, we’ll include a return envelope to send to us in.
> 
> Sound good? 🙂
> 
> Also, anyone else here have suggestions for this gentleman?

This is a gracious offer I can’t say no to, thanks!

I also thank you and the others for the suggestions you offered and will definitely take them into consideration.

Btw, the products that seem to have generated the most positive responses were Chikara and Realm.

Chikara, one of if not the first time I used, I put on shortly before I was picked up by a cab friend to take me to my cab. He had in the cab with him an attractive girl who was a personal(a fare who calls you personally to pick them up) of his. She sat up front with him and by the way they spoke to one another they might’ve been more than driver/fare. Pretty pedestrian, right? Well, the interesting thing is that during the entire ride we were all kicking it a bit, and she would look at me(smiling) not only while I was speaking…but while my buddy was speaking as well! Even while no one spoke she made concerted efforts to turn and look at me!

Like I said, they seem to be closer than advertised and after awhile my driver friend must’ve thought it odd that she found me so obviously head-turning. I even admit to feeling(though flattered) slightly uncomfortable with her near constant glances.

Anyway…thanks again for the offer.

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**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/28 "2006-05-02T07:51:28Z")

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> [@MHarris](#):
>
> I haven’t done a competitive buy of products from other pheromone companies in awhile. Frankly, there’s few new products worth getting (which is one reason I started Androtics – I wasn’t seeing ANYTHING new, ever)
> 
> If you have at least a half bottle of anything fairly new available, I’ll give you a [SmartMones.com](http://SmartMones.com) gift cert for it’s full retail amount. That way, you can unload some product you might not want.
> 
> If you bought some of these products at a discount (with a coupon or on special or whatever), then you’ll really make out.
> 
> You can even remove some level of product you half-like… as long as there’s a good solid half remaining and there’s no contamination (no roll ons, please!), that’s all I need.
> 
> This works on a first come, first served basis.
> 
> You have to post what you’d be willing to trade as a reply here to this message, and please don’t post anything someone already has.
> 
> Some things I’ve been wanting to try are Impi and Pherlure.
> 
> Of course, these products are made by companies opposite ends of the spectrums of integrity. LaCroy is one of the few decent ones out there it seems, while I’m sure Alex Yak at Pherlure will be seeing the inside of a cell any time soon now!
> 
> However, even with the blatant illegal activites from the latter, I’d still want to see if there’s “something” at all in that product. I hear it at least smells good, even if it is a con.

Hi MHarris

I haven’t tried these products myself but from reliable reviews so as to check out the latest in competition you could also see if you can get:

- Pherone V5 (said to be Anol and possibly WAGG-like secrets) and Pherone D17X (said to belike NPA/TE but more -None and less secrets).  
I know they may have a bad reputation but their products seem to work OK.

- George Dodd’s AromaSciences Pherofragrances (said to be similar to the old Xcite wipes and consequently a largely -Nol product but with extra mones and fragranced). This is George Dodd’s current [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) and it comes in both men’s and women’s versions.

Visionary

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**Author:** ![Rbt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rbt/32/2066_2.png) [@Rbt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rbt)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/29 "2006-05-02T17:14:45Z")

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MHarris!

This thread is getting active, so I’d like to ask something of you. On the L-S board I started an “Exchange” thread where one could offer unwanted products or others could ask for an item of interest (payments if any would be worked out by those involved). Would you be okay if a similar thread got started here in the Lounge section? For example I know I’d like to take a sniff of Pherlure just to see what all the fuss is about, but don’t want to shell out for a whole bottle. And I’m thinking of parting with my Primal Instinct as I’m not overly impressed with -none heavy products (your low-dosed ExperiMones are what I’m using now).

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**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\
**Post date:** [May 2, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/30 "2006-05-02T17:54:44Z")

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> [@Socrates](#):
>
> George Dodd’s AromaSciences Pherofragrances (said to be similar to the old Xcite wipes and consequently a largely -Nol product but with extra mones and fragranced). This is George Dodd’s current pheromone product and it comes in both men’s and women’s versions.
> 
> Visionary

He says on his website that the formula is based on the special smell found on young randy roman men who slept with a lot of women 😮 . The effect of this product is no better than any other nol product and worn alone they are mild at best. I don’t know how many different [pheromones](https://a314.com/) he has in there but certainly no -none.

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**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\
**Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 6:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/31 "2006-05-03T06:34:03Z")

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> [@lienjie](#):
>
> This is a gracious offer I can’t say no to, thanks!
> 
> I also thank you and the others for the suggestions you offered and will definitely take them into consideration.
> 
> Btw, the products that seem to have generated the most positive responses were Chikara and Realm.
> 
> Chikara, one of if not the first time I used, I put on shortly before I was picked up by a cab friend to take me to my cab. He had in the cab with him an attractive girl who was a personal(a fare who calls you personally to pick them up) of his. She sat up front with him and by the way they spoke to one another they might’ve been more than driver/fare. Pretty pedestrian, right? Well, the interesting thing is that during the entire ride we were all kicking it a bit, and she would look at me(smiling) not only while I was speaking…but while my buddy was speaking as well! Even while no one spoke she made concerted efforts to turn and look at me!
> 
> Like I said, they seem to be closer than advertised and after awhile my driver friend must’ve thought it odd that she found me so obviously head-turning. I even admit to feeling(though flattered) slightly uncomfortable with her near constant glances.
> 
> Anyway…thanks again for the offer.

You’re welcome. Just PM “Jasmin” to make it happen.

It seems like your positive experience was in a context where the mones were you more apt to get attention, so there wasn’t the pheromonal “transfer” to the passengers that seemed to happen in your experiences when you were a driver.

I hear transportation industry “players” have better luck as limo drivers, not cabbies, for whatever reason. If you want to get something going on with some of your prettier customers, maybe you could try that? 🙂

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**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/32 "2006-05-07T04:44:30Z")

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> [@MHarris](#):
>
> The civil, state and federal liabilities for type & scope of just the fraud we all know they’re involved in is pretty high. There could be and probably is more, but that’d just be overkill.
> 
> If you tried doing what they’re known to be doing with your own business, and had a family lawyer that would actually “tell you like it is”, I’m certain you’d be advised to buy a one way ticket to Borneo.
> 
> People like Vincent Passifiume who made products like “Longitude” never made a swindle nearly as comprehensive, and look at what happened to him and his company (go ahead and Google his name).
> 
> You can’t get Longitude now. So, no, I wouldn’t expect Pherlure to be available for much longer, either.

Well Pherlure used to be my favorite product. Now it ranks #3, below A314 and IShine. I am expecting that pretty much everything you carry will be able to supplant it, and I have found it unnecessary with my favorite mix, so I really don’t need to worry. Now then… I have this 98% full bottle of W-9… interested?

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 5:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/33 "2006-05-07T05:09:14Z")

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Hey Catlord,I thought you needed W9 in your recent mixes?

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**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/34 "2006-05-07T07:16:10Z")

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My recent mixes need copulins, not alcohol with a hint of something so weak it has no effect. That’s why I got myself a bottle of Essence of Woman. I figure I’ll mix it to 300:1or 400:1 and use that instead, since I know that works. W-9 hasn’t had any noticeable effect except to make me nauseous if I OD on it. EW, strange as it may smell at higher concentrations, does cause arousal in me, and in others I have seen exposed to it. It also really reduces the negative response to my being male that some women would usually have. I just wish I had a source of copulins only from Androtics, hint hint. 😉

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 9:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/35 "2006-05-07T09:19:01Z")

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Well you do not want to apply too much LAM either or you’ll also stink.Heheh.😛

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/36 "2006-05-07T09:26:55Z")

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By the way I still have a 98% of pherlure and 50% of swept away left if there are any takers.

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**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/37 "2006-05-07T20:16:57Z")

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> [@catlord17](#):
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> My recent mixes need copulins, not alcohol with a hint of something so weak it has no effect. That’s why I got myself a bottle of Essence of Woman. I figure I’ll mix it to 300:1or 400:1 and use that instead, since I know that works. W-9 hasn’t had any noticeable effect except to make me nauseous if I OD on it. EW, strange as it may smell at higher concentrations, does cause arousal in me, and in others I have seen exposed to it. It also really reduces the negative response to my being male that some women would usually have. I just wish I had a source of copulins only from Androtics, hint hint. 😉

Well, my friend, you’re quite a salesman!

With a description like that, how could anybody refuse?

Why, I feel my Astrid Jutte mandated testosterone level going up to a very believable “150%” even now just thinking about it.

PM user “Jasmin” for your gift cert, and to make arrangements to send that nauseating vomit juice on in to us here at the sexy funklab.

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**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/38 "2006-05-07T20:34:29Z")

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> [@Homura83](#):
>
> By the way I still have a 98% of pherlure and 50% of swept away left if there are any takers.

A user is already sending some Pherlure in, but what’s your Pherlure smell like and when was it made?

I think I have the newer Pherlure coming in, but I’m still interested in getting one early bottles that is purported to smell more like sweat than cologne.

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**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\
**Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 9:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/39 "2006-05-07T21:17:13Z")

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I bought it in December last year.I’ll be as direct as I can.Its alittle like cat piss..

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**Author:** ![b737pilot88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@b737pilot88](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/b737pilot88)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trade-in-offer-full-value-gift-cert-for-products-you-dont-want/323/40 "2006-05-08T00:00:02Z")

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who do i pm to trade in? Where is the link? thnx

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