# Troubled: a few weeks in, tried every spray count and situation, no real difference **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 20, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150 "2008-06-20T04:17:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vman/32/1347_2.png) [@Vman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/1 "2008-06-20T04:17:47Z")
I don’t know how to put this. I know i’ve only had the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) for a few weeks now. But I tried every possible situation and number of sprays possible out of everything I own (Can be found in my avatar or signature). I have not seen any difference really. I am still as I have been two-three weeks ago before I received the pheromones. I noticed some very very minor things. Like 3 sprays of shine makes me smile for 10-15 minuets a bit and then nothing. I have not noticed any difference from my friends, people I don’t know, or my co-workers really. Now I do not want my money back and I don’t want to give up. I really think this stuff can work. I tried everything. Different sprays, application points, and environments as well as people to try it on. I am natural funny and outgoing so the socials didn’t change much. What I want to know is like what is the most powerful of the pheromones that you can really see results in. I need some sort of motivation to see that this stuff really works. That is why I want to give it another chance. I want to order something that can possibly change my mind. Or least give me some advice… ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/2 "2008-06-20T04:21:11Z")
Sorry that pheromones are not working for you yet Try to put some io on, 3 or 4 sprays will be enough, then go to hangout with some of your friends that are shy, even with you, and see if there is any change in conversation and behavior with that. ---
**Author:** ![Vman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vman/32/1347_2.png) [@Vman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/3 "2008-06-20T04:22:12Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > Sorry that pheromones are not working for you yet > > Try to put some Instant Openness on, 3 or 4 sprays will be enough, then go to hangout with some of your friends that are shy, even with you, and see if there is any change in conversation and behavior with that. None of my friends are really shy. They know me and I know them for a while now so… School is over so I can’t even test there… ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/4 "2008-06-20T04:27:41Z")
haha Vman I kinda knew this post was coming, lol just J/K 😛 anyway you are still young, so don’t be frustrated, I can’t say I’v been using pheromones long myself, but I can tell you hits DON’T happen very often, but when it happens, it will blow your socks away, and you will know this shit really works, just be patient and give it more time, few weeks are really not that much. if you really wanna see something change, have you tried to OD yourself?? and i’m talking about 8+ sparys or so, try it with 8 sprays of IO and IS for a few days and see what happens, well you get the idea. good luck and let us know. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/5 "2008-06-20T04:35:36Z")
> [@Vman](#): > > I am natural funny and outgoing so the socials didn’t change much… I’ll be frank, if that were true you wouldn’t need [pheromones for social](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) purposes. There must be some other motivation for you to want to try pheromones? Curiosity? You are still young… maybe you’ll find a use for them in a few years. School is a totally different environment. You don’t “have” to use pheromones after all, and you probably make all that you need right at the moment anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/6 "2008-06-20T05:29:41Z")
> [@Vman](#): > > I don’t know how to put this. I know i’ve only had the pheromones for a few weeks now. But I tried every possible situation and number of sprays possible out of everything I own (Can be found in my avatar or signature). I have not seen any difference really. I am still as I have been two-three weeks ago before I received the pheromones. I noticed some very very minor things. Like 3 sprays of shine makes me smile for 10-15 minuets a bit and then nothing. I have not noticed any difference from my friends, people I don’t know, or my co-workers really. Now I do not want my money back and I don’t want to give up. I really think this stuff can work. > > I tried everything. Different sprays, application points, and environments as well as people to try it on. I am natural funny and outgoing so the socials didn’t change much. > > What I want to know is like what is the most powerful of the pheromones that you can really see results in. I need some sort of motivation to see that this stuff really works. That is why I want to give it another chance. I want to order something that can possibly change my mind. Or least give me some advice… How are you measuring your success? What other things are you doing? bathing daily? clean neat clothes? shiny hair? good smile? Cold wet nose? Pheromones will help, but rules of attraction and nature still apply. I noticed very minor changes in people I was around normally, other than , but have seen bigger reactions in strangers, waitresses flirt or sit down next to me, little things really, mainly more smiles or held doors. remember at your age, less will likely be more effective, try nothing for a couple of days, then start simple with one or two sprays of something, then one spray of something else later(6 hours or so later) or the next day. If High school is still the same (as when I was there) the clicks are pretty set, and getting someone out of their set group is tough to do, find a muse or focus and aim your attention at her, be overly forward and see if she shuts you down as quickly as you keep up pressure. > [@K24](#): > > haha Vman I kinda knew this post was coming, lol just J/K 😛 > > anyway you are still young, so don’t be frustrated, I can’t say I’v been using pheromones long myself, but I can tell you hits DON’T happen very often, but when it happens, it will blow your socks away, and you will know this shit really works, just be patient and give it more time, few weeks are really not that much. > if you really wanna see something change, have you tried to OD yourself?? > and i’m talking about 8+ sparys or so, try it with 8 sprays of Instant Openness and IS for a few days and see what happens, well you get the idea. > > good luck and let us know. I was going to say 5-6 sprays of TUTH(each arm, chest, neck and hair), slap a smile on your face and walk through a store, Make eye contact. saying much more than Hi will likely not be needed. Watch other men’s reactions, you might get in a fight. (drawing the lips tight to the gums, balling fists, puffing up the chest, I would exit the area if possible) also watch mothers(or parents) with kids, they will go into a protective or defensive mode pretty quick, parents will move their kids so that they are between you and the children. (put arms around shoulders or other acts of protection) your female peers will react very differently around you. openly friendly and giddy. (again watch out for their male companions!) see someone you know offer them a hug. Again smile, make eye contact (yes, her eyes on her face not her chest) Also remember you are 17, not 27 or 37, your natural hormones and pheromones are pretty strong anyway, adding synthetics may not be needed. if you are measuring your successes by notches in the bed post, or not bagging the life partner yet, relax, and stop looking and all will happen when you least expect it. ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 7:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/7 "2008-06-20T07:29:09Z")
> [@woofie2](#): > > I was going to say 5-6 sprays of Turn Up The Heat(each arm, chest, neck and hair) yea that should work too, but i didn’t suggest that because someone could end up in the hospital, J/K 😃 -none OD has more negative effects, for you the positive side is you can see those effects easily and you don’t even have to try anything, the negative side is…yes, you guessed it, it is aggressive in nature, if you work in a male dominant environement, it could lead to troubles. people may become more snobish n completely ignore you, or they become more hostile and give you hard looks and…more. again you need to be socially aware, and at your age it may not be easy because you may be expecting a whole lot 2 much 😛 just keep trying and be cool buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Vman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vman/32/1347_2.png) [@Vman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/8 "2008-06-20T14:35:28Z")
Thanks guys, I guess I was just a bit frustrated yesterday. I’ll keep on trying. Also I am not measuring success in “bed notches”. I do wear clean clothes and take a shower twice a day most of the time. I’ll keep trying… ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/9 "2008-06-20T14:40:17Z")
don’t forget to keep us informed i hate to see you disappear from the forum after a few weeks 😛 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/10 "2008-06-20T14:49:33Z")
Hey Vman, don’t let it get ya down. 17 is pretty young to start seeing much results with pheromones. If you can get some results great, a few younger guys do. The problem is not just you. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that younger guys and younger girls are still developing their social skills. I’m not really talking about shyness or anything like that…just the basic ability to “read” people that only comes from living longer and gaining more experience. I do see younger guys with the determination to stick with it gaining quite an advantage over their peers. Have fun and don’t worry about the hits they’ll come. Check in the men’s journals for a thread by a guy named Patratt. He is older than you but had a really hard time getting “hits” he eventually did and then quit posting, but he left a good journal for guys who have a hard time. I hope he comes back around sometime and lets us know how he is. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/11 "2008-06-20T14:52:03Z")
We all have bad days, Sorry if I came across a little gruff, but remember I don’t really know you, nor am I around you daily. for all I know you could be a Goth Hippie, have a 4’ bright orange mohawk or worse. Then be wondering why the nice ladies in power business dress won’t give you the time of day. I ran into a natural hippie the other day, she was wearing a sundress and a large mat of hair (some might call them dreads, but this was more like it had never been brushed, with the twigs and leaves still in it), and obviously did not believe in showering, bathing or shaving. I had trouble walking when she yelled at her daughter “Rainbow Moon-sprite get your butt back over here” ---
**Author:** ![mac](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mac/32/796_2.png) [@mac](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mac)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 3:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/12 "2008-06-20T15:06:27Z")
I’ll second that it would be a real pity to lose someone from the forum. My halfpenny would be that changes in people affected by the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) are subtle. It’d be great if they weren’t and pheros were like a remote control you could point at people but in my experience from days of old and from more recent experience (things haven’t changed) they work ‘statistically’; over a period of time more girls are interested, you are more often the centre of attention, you feel in a fun mood more often etc. It’s only when you can rule out all other factors e.g. change of season, change of surroundings, new job, new clothes, whatever that you realise that things worked better for you on pheros. I’m really trying not to sound patronising but as an older fart like me the subtleties of human behaviour (if that kind of thing interests you) are more obvious. I’m sure you’re not like me when I was 17 - an IOI wasn’t an IOI unless a girl wrote her intentions on a piece of paper and nailed it to my forehead and even then I asked for confirmation. As you’re young, funny and open-minded it sounds like you’ve got things sewn up already. I’m officially patting you on the head but unofficially jealous as hell. It’s difficult to be scientific about one pheromone and whether it works or not, but I imagine almost impossible with quite so many over such a short space of time. If you’re looking for proof, simplify the problem? It may be more convincing than chucking them all on and crossing your fingers. Personally, next time I’m in NYC I’ll come out with you, be your lecherous uncle and grab the girls you don’t realise you’ve pulled. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/13 "2008-06-20T15:54:28Z")
I’m only a couple of years older than you (19) and I can share your frustrations. At first we order a bunch of products thinking we will have loads of in your face hits and when they don’t come it can be discouraging. I’m still a total Newbie but after just a few months I’m starting to pick on the subtle effects of pheromones. I’ve had a few average hits and one major hit but apart from that It’s been more of a case of looking back at an evening and realising that people actually where a lot more chatty and in a good mood. Hopefully things will improve as I continue to learn. If I’m wearing AMMO and a girl is attracted to me shes probably not going to make it blatantly obvious shes interested but that doesn’t mean the attraction doesn’t exist in her head, shes just not showing it physically (and if she is I’m not picking up on it) Renny’s sig says it best. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/14 "2008-06-20T19:35:16Z")
Did apply my first [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) about 11 years ago, It must have been working because during the first 10 days had girlfriends commenting that i smelled sexy. So after my engagement soon after i gave the bottle away to a friend, who was in desperate need of feminine companionship. Then when started using Alpha A314 around 2 years ago for the first time i thought it was rubbish bin material because i had noticed it doing nothing. It is somewhat strange how perceptions can change because after several months i did come to the conclusion that A314 was actually a very effective product and even today i consider it one of the best products i can use to mix and match to suit my requirements. It is impossable for me to go out now days with 2 drops A314 applied, and not see it working. ---
**Author:** ![Vman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vman/32/1347_2.png) [@Vman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vman)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/15 "2008-06-20T20:22:53Z")
Thanks everyone. I just hope I get too see some results sometime soon. Like I said I am not expecting anyone to jump up on me and start humping my leg. Judging by some reports it seems its possible lol. I am just looking for that smile or longer hug or anything of that matter. ---
**Author:** ![Lillith](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lillith/32/2355_2.png) [@Lillith](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lillith)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/16 "2008-06-20T23:48:09Z")
I think you may have too many products on at the same time and this could be confusing people. Since it seems the hypothalamus in the brain processes pheromones, if you wear too many different kinds of pheromones at one time, it confuses the brain. Since you are only 17, I would suggest using a mix of alpha-androsteNOL and very small amounts of androsteNONE. At 17, you are already making buckets of androsteNONE naturally. I would suggest a ration of 2:1, with two times more alpha-androsteNOL than androsteNONE. Wear that for about three weeks and then add a little androsteRONE. Try this mix for about a week to see how it works and then carefully add the other products.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Vman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/vman/32/1347_2.png) [@Vman](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vman)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/17 "2008-06-21T00:08:53Z")
> [@Lillith](#): > > I think you may have too many products on at the same time and this could be confusing people. Since it seems the hypothalamus in the brain processes pheromones, if you wear too many different kinds of pheromones at one time, it confuses the brain. > > Since you are only 17, I would suggest using a mix of alpha-androsteNOL and very small amounts of androsteNONE. At 17, you are already making buckets of androsteNONE naturally. I would suggest a ration of 2:1, with two times more alpha-androsteNOL than androsteNONE. Wear that for about three weeks and then add a little androsteRONE. Try this mix for about a week to see how it works and then carefully add the other products.🙂 Sorry but you lost me a bit. The most I ever wore on was 3 different products. Can you translate all the androst---- stuff into product names? lol ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/18 "2008-06-21T00:33:13Z")
> [@Vman](#): > > I am just looking for that smile or longer hug or anything of that matter. You should be looking for more subtle reactions like increased eye contact, more openness/friendliness, more trust or respect, in general. That’s really what pheromones do. Wheather somebody hugs you or not longer or smiles at you is really a personal choice. You can’t ever say a combination of pheromones will affect a particular person beforehand. So, you need to look at everything that is happening and not just look at things in isolation. Very often people will report “oh, I got a hit” just because somebody looks them up or down. If that’s all you get out of a pheromones you are missing the big picture. You could be wearing a clown costume and people will stare at you, too… but they may not think you are attractive or respectable. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/19 "2008-06-21T01:04:51Z")
Hey Vman, I am older and in NYC as well I can only give you my experience from meeting total strangers, not from around friends. All of my hits that you read on the boards are from people I either meet in the streets or trains of NYC, or going to bars or clubs. To be honest I notice very little change from around friends or family when i started to use pheros, I think you will only see differences with people who you have not met before. Are you trying out pheros at bars and clubs? And not having any hits? Also one other thing to keep in mind, there are days that go by that I get no hits at all. I only post about my positive hits, unless I am doing a specific report about a product. ---
**Author:** ![Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/cab0a1/32.png) [@Daddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daddy)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150/20 "2008-06-21T01:04:56Z")
> [@woofie2](#): > > I was going to say 5-6 sprays of Turn Up The Heat(each arm, chest, neck and hair), slap a smile on your face and walk through a store, Make eye contact. saying much more than Hi will likely not be needed. > Watch other men’s reactions, you might get in a fight. (drawing the lips tight to the gums, balling fists, puffing up the chest, I would exit the area if possible) > also watch mothers(or parents) with kids, they will go into a protective or defensive mode pretty quick, parents will move their kids so that they are between you and the children. (put arms around shoulders or other acts of protection) > your female peers will react very differently around you. openly friendly and giddy. (again watch out for their male companions!) Are you saying this from personal experience? You purposely OD’d on TUTH and this is exactly what happened to you? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/troubled-a-few-weeks-in-tried-every-spray-count-and-situation-no-real-difference/14150.md?page=2)