# Trying out Instant Shine at work **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 18, 2008, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404 "2008-01-18T05:44:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/1 "2008-01-18T05:44:26Z")
here is what i said i was gonna do: [1st time using TUTH at work](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1st-time-using-tuth-at-work/8357/11) did that. let’s reintroduce the characters. **The Russian Hotness.** nothing out of the ordinary throughout the day, except i kinda thought one moment was unusual. i came up to her cube to talk, she didnt have anything interesting to say, so i walked away. at like 10ft she yells, “wait, come back, do you like my new dress?”, gets up and starts showing it off for me. she wears sexy glasses and this dress is like a school uniform, so if there ever was a sexy little school-girl, she is it. she was twirling and bouncing and wouldnt let me go until i took a long good look at all her parts. i bet i could tear it with my hands, and it took the willpower of a 1000 men not to. weird, i compliment her, but she hasnt blatantly asked for it before. **40yo Pakistani PM.** we had a lunch with a bunch of directors. she was acting a little like a highschool girl the way she’s glance at me and turn her head and giggle. she sat next to me and at one point REALLY hugged me. she got in around my arm and put her head way on my shoulder. that lasted a little too long too. she also had to let me out from the table, and each time she left me barely enough space for my legs to fit through. as a result i had to brush my butt on her lap every time. imagine one of those 50ft long wall seats and to let me out from behind the table she only slides 10" to the left… **Stupid Turk.** he was nice, but didnt purr like he did the previous day with TUTH. instead of respecting me, it was more like he felt i was on his level this time. at lunch he was friendly and engaged me in humorous discussions about retarded clients and software bugs. i didnt push him, i was extra nice, so this can always be what he was responding to. **Male Director.** he heads my my dept and i report to him. i had some ideas i wanted to run by him today and i mentioned them in conversation. i noticed that when we were just shooting the shit he was flowing, but when i would introduce a new concept into the convo (aka my big ideas) his brain and whole face skipped for about 5 seconds before he’d reply. he wasnt confused because he responded correctly, but for those 5 seconds he looked like i was asking for his hand in marriage. he doesnt choke like that. **Conclusion.** the “belligerent” PM is a point for the phero’s, but i feel like perhaps i should double the dose to 8 sprays to see some more results? ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/2 "2008-01-18T09:28:21Z")
Hello Comrad! Thank you for your report! I also like Instant Shine so much, and 4 sprays is my standard dosage. Maybe next time (when I have a brand new bottle) I’ll also try a 8 sprays dosage ;-). So, what are you going to try next? Will you rise to 8 sprays or maybe you’ll use some Instant Shine and some TUTH together? So, you can make your boss ask your hand in marriage 😉 and the Russian hottie driven crazy by you! Usually I also like to use also some [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), so people feel more “open” to show their reactions. Anyway, you’re doing an excellent work!!! Keep us updated! See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/3 "2008-01-18T13:48:14Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > … > **Conclusion.** the “belligerent” PM is a point for the phero’s, but i feel like perhaps i should double the dose to 8 sprays to see some more results? If you want to explore more dosages at work I suggest ramping up slowly. With anything you reach a point of diminishing returns. ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/4 "2008-01-18T15:33:34Z")
i checked back with this thread before putting anything on and here is what i did: 4 sprays of IS, 3 sprays of Turn Up The Heat, 2 sprays of [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) on the top of my hair. as Gone\_with\_the\_wind said, i’ll prolly reach a plateaux with more sprays, so i just decided to add more of the other phero’s to the mix. 5 minutes after spraying i went outside, and God is pouring out his bucket of rain water in boston, so i got pretty wet. i’m not sure what effect that had on the Instant Openness i sprayed on my hair, any pro’s mind chiming in on whether i shouldnt even count that now because it washed out? i brought Instant Shine and IO bottles with me today, just in case. i believe you guys, and gals 😉, call this baptism by pheromones… ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/5 "2008-01-18T23:44:08Z")
**converted. [pheromones](https://a314.com/) work. there isnt a slightest doubt in my mind left after today.** with that said, let’s introduce a new character, her name is Marketing Supermodel. she’s an undergrad intern for us. without a hint of exaggeration you could take her as she is at work, including her wardrobe, take a picture and put it on the cover of any classy magazine. there is Gizelle, brady’s gf, and then a few floors up there is the Marketing Supermodel. she has no reason to talk to me, men prolly present her with the keys to a rolls royce just to ask what time it is. to clarify, she’s studying marketing, but her internship is for the VP of finance. that’s like using a balloon to hammer nails into cinder blocks. there is only one reason she’s there and it couldnt be more obvious. so, here is the trick, i had never talked to her, so this is how you test pheromones. **Marketing Supermodel.** my cute-to-death Russian Hotness organized some cake for some dude who’s leaving the company. she brought me along. there sits the Supermodel and i walk by her on the way to the cake as it is 5ft from her desk. i get my cake and stand there shooting the shit with the guys about poker. she keeps looking at me. i figured, ok, but it’s possible she’s looking at the cake or someone next to me, or just generally at the group of people in a random place in the office. however, each time i felt she was looking straight into my eyes, she would play with her hair (which is phenomenal btw, $500 haircut?). then this little kid from their department sits down right next to her and they start talking, but i noticed now she’s pointing in the direction she was looking and asking something of him. looked like, “who’s that?”, “oh, that’s max, we play poker with him.” so wtf, i go over there and just start talking to the kid about some play i pulled off last time. she keeps turning back and forth and her eyes are either looking at her monitor or me. keeps doing the hair thing. then i turn from the kid and look straight at her, she freezes. i say my name, ask for hers, she explodes her hand towards me for a handshake. i ask her a bunch of questions about what she does around here, she says she’s an intern for Mr. Big. at this point there is a lot more hair thing going on and im feeling pretty confident, i NEVER get girls to be THIS self-conscious around me, and especially ones that look like her and know how incredibly gorgeous they are. i reply, “Mr. Big, that lucky bastard!” instead of taking out her industrial size mace bottle she giggles and says, “oh shut up!” bites her lower lip and slaps me on the thigh (that’s because she’s sitting and im standing). i think both the finance kid and i had a simultaneous synchronized series of mini heart attacks and im trying to keep my jaw from dropping and my eyes in their sockets. hazy after that, next thing i remember was popping back into the existence back in my cube, grinning like a retarded hyena. everything else today was completely inconsequential after the reaction i got from the Marketing Supermodel. some of the 40+ female PM’s harassed me a little bit, but i didnt care. the Russian Hotness was flirty as always, just a hint of what i would call “clingy” as she wouldnt let me avoid answering some things about other girls at lunch. when i say, “dont worry about it, it’s nothing.” she usually always lets it go. **Conclusion.** converted. ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/6 "2008-01-19T01:02:09Z")
i posted a long story about my day on phero’s, but it’s not showing up. is there like a mod approval thing for really long posts? just wondering if that was an error on my part and i should repost? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/7 "2008-01-19T01:04:45Z")
wait for mod approval. It’s not so bad after 50 posts or so. ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/8 "2008-01-19T01:06:45Z")
gotcha! and you’re gonna love the story, renny, so stay tuned 😉 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/9 "2008-01-19T01:36:44Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > gotcha! and you’re gonna love the story, renny, so stay tuned 😉 Damn, I gotta wait to rep you. Great story!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 3:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/10 "2008-01-19T03:08:08Z")
Great results! Now, not to be dumb, but… what’s a " PM "? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![blondfanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@blondfanatic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/blondfanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 4:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/11 "2008-01-19T04:03:19Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Great results! Now, not to be dumb, but… what’s a " PM "? 🙂 PhereMone 😃 ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 8:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/12 "2008-01-19T08:22:27Z")
project manager. in the software field it is the person that tells me, the software engineer, what to do. if we were in the army, i’d be a leutenant and she would be a major. not being condescending, but trying to convey how she’s technically my boss in the sense that she has power to order me around 🙂 it’s late, im waiting for a cute russian girl to come over from the club, just put on 3 sprays of TUTH, let’s see what happens, but the conscious brain is gone at this point… ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/13 "2008-01-19T17:19:00Z")
wow, i could have ended the week just on that last reaction alone, but was i in for a surprise!!! new thread for that story… btw, thanx for everyone’s feedback! ---
**Author:** ![blondfanatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@blondfanatic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/blondfanatic)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/14 "2008-01-19T23:22:07Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > wow, i could have ended the week just on that last reaction alone, but was i in for a surprise!!! new thread for that story… > > btw, thanx for everyone’s feedback! now i know what a PM is if ever work in a office situation…lol ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2008, 11:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/15 "2008-01-20T23:36:49Z")
Perhaps, comradmax, you might consider acquiring A314. I think the plays at work with Turn Up The Heat, Instant Shine, and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) are … “loose.” You mentioned, for example, that “Turk” was less deferential when you upped your Instant Shine. That makes sense: in my experience Shine is a “let’s celebrate” chemical message; people see you in whatever context they associate with celebration. For some, that’s putting you on a pedestal (~you~ are the rockstar/celebrity and so I bow to you) for some it’s much more egalitarian (~let’s rock!~) and for others it might be … congratulatory (~you won the big game!~ or ~you made the cut on American Idol!~.) Those are some of the subtext-type messages that I get from people when I dose up on Shine. But unless you really do have something to celebrate at work, you might want to go ~easy~ on Shine. Not just lowered dose, but selective use. Perhaps your Director was listening to your ‘big ideas’ and wondering if you’d gone over his head: after all, just ~what~ were you celebrating? There is no doubt in my mind that ‘buffered none’ is a status marker in current US culture. But just as your Hollywood intern appears to have landed her job based on her looks, do you really want to seem to your co-workers like the guy who’s on the project because he’s a studmuffin? Perhaps you have established a rock-solid reputation with your colleagues, and so your move to the ‘studly’ is balanced with the way they thought about you pre-pheromones. But people ~do~ have short memories. And every new person you work with – e.g., the SuperModel – will be flashing you in the light of your current pherosignature. Also, remember that alphanol (Instant Openness) dissipates ~much~ faster than -none. Beware of the possibility of applying X none and Y alphanol and getting a great result, but 2X none and 2Y alphanol turns out to be a catastrophe (at work) because the alphanol burns off and then you are OD on none among people whose cooperation is essential to eating, paying your rent, and buying more and better pheromones. (Better in the sense of context-appropriate.) Which brings me back to A314. Really consider investing in the A314 mix and using it at work as your main line. Sure … toast it up with a little Shine on a Friday afternoon, perhaps, or when there is an office picnic, holiday party, or project closure success / software release event. Use a bit of Turn Up The Heat when you have drinks after work with the SuperModel and decide it’s time to kiss and you want to tip the balance from respect to desire. A314 will, I suspect, build your reputation at work in exactly the ways that will benefit you both economically and socially. Right now the combination of messages you’ve described wearing to work happens to be making the right bells ring – for some people, sometime. At least it seems that way. Earlier I called it “loose”, and yes that is just one man’s opinion, but here’s what the ‘bare bones’ chemical messages of the components are, IMO: - Instant Shine: LETSPARTYDANCEANDWHOOOOYEAH+ALRIGHT - Turn Up The Heat: IWANTTOFUCKYOUNOWRIGHTNOW - Instant Openness: TALKTOMEABOUTANYTHINGBUTTALKTOME I’m putting things in a pretty stark mode, I know. It is an exaggeration, at least at one level. But I think that any of those messages, if somehow allowed to dominate your pherosig, will actually undermine your work reputation. Perhaps all that your current experiments have done is to pique people’s curiosity (‘What’s up with Max?’) and has done nothing, long term to your work reputation. So … again, A314 does not solve every problem, but I urge you to consider it for work. Feel free to ask questions here, I know people will be happy to help. And then perhaps you’ll be able to hold off to ply your targets with social/sexual pheros ~out~ of the office! 😉 Great field report, though! Cheers MarkL PS: Not trying to be an ass or a downer, just hoping to help you avoid paying off a reality check at work. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2008, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-instant-shine-at-work/8404/16 "2008-01-21T20:55:40Z")
hey MarkL, great pointers, thank you! as i read your reply i did not think of anything you said as negative or stark, all i saw were some excellent insights. i would have to say i agree with what you said about relaxing with the none at work. the reaction of my director worries me a bit and i also noticed the PM getting a little bossy and confirming her superiority to me professionally. i plan to stop using phero’s at work completely. i’d still love to put some moves on the SuperModel, so if an opportunity should arise i’ll hit her with some TUTH, but im thinking more along the lines of “drinks after work with the team”, not in the office. btw, i’ve tried AMMO a few times over the weekend, and i get MUCH better results with TUTH, even tho AMMO is supposed to be milder on people, but i’ll get to that in some other post. im glad to see that you think i should try A314, that was one of the things i wanted try the most after reading the forums. i didnt get it on my first order because i wanted to stick to spray form, and A314 is strictly oil (they were sold out of MX102 at that time also). i think i’ll get to it eventually, there are just so many combinations i can concoct with what i have now… i might need some A314 to negate the wierd sexy/alpha vibe i got going from last week. first i’ll just try no phero’s and hope the people can go back to the old way. i did IO the other night in a noob mix and i think i shouldnt have. it might have sent very confusing messages that clashed with other pheros. i also noticed sort of a rollercoaster up and down emotions of my part throughout the night. i think it might have been what you said about IO wearing off faster than none. i basically got more irritable later in the night and did not feel better until i sprayed 1 shot of TUTH at home. i need to do a good step by step test of IO at some point.