# Trying out Pheromones for first time **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [March 29, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603 "2011-03-29T19:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Onedzguy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/onedzguy/32/1382_2.png) [@Onedzguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Onedzguy)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 12:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/21 "2011-04-13T12:16:50Z")
> [@Luke\_Skywalker](#): > > My mother hates the smell and does not want me anywhere near her. This is the first positive effect of this product. I don’t think I’m going to be a momma’s boy for very long using this product. First reported self-effect with interaction with people. > > My mom probably can not accept me as having a higher status with her and she is reacting to the smell. She claims it is a ‘counterfeit’ smell. > > No panic or anxiety attack is detected at this time. Cravings to eat cookies is slightly lowered. NO serious negative effect detected. Hold on to the bottle. You can always use a cover scent or cologne to hide the aroma of A314. Its not A314 or God’s will to change yourself. Its your willingness to change yourself. ODG ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/22 "2011-04-13T19:27:07Z")
[Social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) test: Sprays: 1 SPRAY IS (2 strength), 1 SPRAY IO (1 strength). Combination of sprays. Effects on location: Mainly inside the car, but some difference outside. Effects on people: - no effect on strangers. Negative effect: one lady took a purse that was unattended in a cart next to me and put it next to herself. Possibly a lack of trust? - inside the car, positive effects: my dad appeared to be more chatty than normal and babbling about topics that are outside of the ordinary. (i.e. talk about hibernating snails or bears in Alberta or cryogenesis, etc.. or talking about some people, etc… not a moment of silence, he was babbling on and on) - lady I took out swimming. Tremendous social effect. Normally, when I’m with her, there would be ackward silences, or I’d feel like deep inside, I just want to retreat into the shell and comfort of my ‘thoughts’. This time was different. It really did have a more natural flow and she was talking about lots of different things and I was also talking with her. I didn’t have a need to feel I had to put on a phoney smile to pretend I’m listening to what she is saying or pretending to be social when my head is in the clouds. This time, I feel like I’m really there and engaged in talking with her. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/23 "2011-04-14T19:55:32Z")
1 A314 drop tested today on wrist. Effect on others: My mother picked up my wrist and said it looked like dad’s when driving. Did not notice anything out of the ordinary beside that. Effect on self: Possible panic attack occurred 4 - 5 hours after using the product. Will make a seperate thread on this issue and determine whether the panic attack is a result of the pheromone or cause by something else, assuming there is a defined panic attack. May have to return bottle for a refund if proven a panic attack is caused by A314. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2011, 10:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/24 "2011-04-14T22:53:53Z")
2 sprays of instant shine used of 2 \* strength. Heading over to Bible School class. Probably would need a 4\* strength bottle of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). Two sprays of 2 times dosage doesn’t really feel like anything. Just a little “lighter” feeling and a few smiles made. Let’s see if I get in trouble in Bible School for using this by the teacher. If she detects this is “sorcery”, or something wrong, then I’ll have to run from these experiments and return all the bottles. Feels like under a “spell” so to speak. Can’t put my finger on it…but not causing a panic attack at the moment like A314. More relaxed. Still do not feel like “myself” though. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/25 "2011-04-15T03:05:14Z")
Back from Bible School. Nobody talked with me – or noticed any effects unusual. The guy next to me didn’t talk. In terms of self-effects – did feel a bit “lighter” in tone…like maybe I’d take myself less seriously or be slightly less heavy-serious than usual. My whole state of mind or “frame” just seemed to be less serious and lighter. Did not feel tired despite that fact I did not sleep today or relax after these “panic attacks” and feel alert and awake right now as I have since I sprayed this stuff on. Seemed to have an "adolescence"ness about it – or it is perfectly congruent with me since I already look yonger than I am or have a ‘boyishness’ about me. This is two sprays to the neck of IS 2 strength. This is a bit change today since I felt a panic attack earlier, and to try something that will alter your mood, or where people say it feels like your feet are going off the ground, seemed a bit dangerous to me. However, I said the heck with it and sprayed this stuff on my neck. While driving to church, I noticed myself appearing to “naturally” smile with my lips a bit this would be a definite “unusual” since unless I feel allot of pressure on my face, I usually would not smile on my own. There was no feeling attached to it, my face just seemed to do that. – did not feel what other users are reporting or anything dramatic with two sprays to the neck. Just perhaps less of a tendency to take anything personal or that overly serious melancholy analytical state I’m sometimes in is somewhat ‘softened’. Probably will need ALLOT of this. Should try 3-6 sprays of this stuff next time on 2 \* that way I can guage whether I need to buy a 4\* bottle, or perhaps it’s best use is to help keep things ‘not serious’ and have a laid back attitude or approach. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/26 "2011-04-15T04:12:42Z")
[Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) was applied about 6 hours ago, near 7:00 pm and I’m still feeling the effects. I am coming to the belief that this bottle has theraputic value and it is like cogntive behavioural therapy in a spray. The value of the bottle is this. If I have to see a psychologist, or buy products on the internet, I’m probably going to have to spend a few hundred dollars, or go through life rather miserably since I take everything too seriously (including myself). If a couple of sprays can allievate this … then it is worth its weight on gold. A psychologist or therapy can only go so far since if you have a very negative disposition to start with – you have to use your analytical brain - to try and help yourself re-adjust your cogntive thinking. With this type of spray – it makes that whole process automatic – there is a cogntivie re-adjustment on how stimuli is interpreted. I’ll probably finish the TO GO bottles before I buy a bottle (either 2 or 4 power) of Instant Shine. Here are a few effects that I have noticed: 1. I ate some cookies at home. Usually, I’ll get angry with myself that I ate the cookies and will be in some sort of guilt trip that I gave myself another insulin rush … etc… this time, no guilt trip or nothing. Didn’t hit myself with a hammer for doing that. 2. Took a fax machine back to the room. Instead of asking my dad to move out of the way to plug it in and being hard on him because he was there … I left it there and patted him on the back and left. In other words, I’m noting subtle changes in my behaviour and it just seems there is a ‘carefree’ spirit and I’m not taking myself seriously or things as seriously. * * * Value with women: Negative constructs when interactions go south. Imagine – if I have this spray – if there is a rejection, or the interaction does not go smooth, I’m probably going to shrug it off or have a lighter interpretation. This is very important if you are overly analytical and studying everything and taking things personal. * * * Now, I may try one spray of IS tommorow to see if it lightens the tone. I find this result or test to be far more interesting than A314. I think taking A314 when my personality is already ‘too seriously’, unlike what other people may be saying about the low dosage with one drop, could probably trigger some sort of anxiety with my particular disposition. If successful, should use this going out whenever I find I have a tendency to come out of something too serious or negative. This usually happens with social interactions or dynamics and in particular when women are involved since you’ve got the male ego. Want to make sure that any particular rejection, or “negative” doesn’t RUIN MY day or result in unnecessary introspection..this IS formula may be the ace in the hole for that. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/27 "2011-04-17T16:29:15Z")
Okay – this is a journal that chronicals the tests with TO GO social pheromones. The goal here is to see if there are better connections with women in public - in particular cashiers or ‘familiar’ women in certain places that I have not broken the ice with. I reported positive social results on a test with A314 and IS together with a hit from a cashier last night, but the intentions of using it was for business and this as a collateral effect. IS and IO together had a positive report when I took out a lady friend and we chatted with each other without there being any tension or ackward silences during the trip and it was a better type of blend…kept things light and simple. I’m going to continue with IS and IO testing today when interacting with cashiers, or women out there in public to check for effect. Since 1-strength IO was used the last time, 1 spray of 2-strength IO will be used along with 1 2-strength spray of IS. One spray of [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) may also be used – but I’ll leave that to a last minute call before leaving to go shopping. Will probably spray one of that on my wrist since I’m not used to this particular pheromone. UPDATE: TODAY WAS DETERMINED TO BE A PHEROMONE REST DAY. TOO MUCH FUNNY STUFF WENT ON LAST WEEK IN TERMS OF ADVERSE REACTIONS TO A314 (i.e. The panic attack and the family reaction), AND I’VE BEEN ON INSTANT SHINE FOR FOUR DAYS. NEUROTRANSMITTERS NEED TO RESET BEFORE I START DEVELOPING TOLERANCES. WILL RESUME TESTING ON MONDAY/TUESDAY. DID NOT NOTICE ANY WOMEN, OR SET OF WOMEN IN PARTICULAR THAT WOULD BE WORTH GOING ON A PHERO-TRIP TO CONNECT WITH THEM TODAY. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/28 "2011-04-19T00:50:29Z")
Went to swimming lessons this evening. Sprayed 1 IO_2, 1 IS_2 SELF-EFFECTS OF COMBO: Prior to putting on – had a rather low energy level and would feel nervy or not social (i.e. may have a don’t disturb me vibe). This is the normal vibe that characterises me. After putting it on – body energy level appears to change. Seem to feel less introvert and thinking. On the other hand, I’m feeling a pressure on my chest that sort of screams that I need to talk to someone or get something off my chest sort of feel. It is a bit difficult if you spray this on, but don’t actually have good social opportunities as it creates a dissonance – where you feel pressure but don’t know how to release it out. I would say that if people had “social expectations” on me, and I was not up to the challenge of being social and wanted to get the heck out of there, or didn’t have an energy level to vibe and socialize that this stuff may have potential if it is tested in the right type of situation. EFFECT ON OTHERS: Again - I didn’t have that much social exposure in this context. I didn’t sit beside anyone in my car. In the swimming pool, I just said good-bye to the girls and got a bye back. Essentially there was ZERO hits. However, I felt more comfortable (natural) to chat/talk. Like a guy that was in the class shared with me that he had a yacth and a swimming pool for practising on it, and we were chatting a bit about that. I find, IO may be good at getting more informal type of interactions. Since it is a strain for me to engage in small talk since I tend to be too formal, this may help me. This may have occurred without using the pheromone too so I can’t really call it an effect. I didn’t capture the interest of any girls or women around with this combo. To test this out, I tried asking a lady for the time. She didn’t take me on much and just answered the question. (didn’t stand beside her but walked on). Therefore – my guess is this probably works best if you are in the physical proximity of someone that you want to talk with..since there will be pressure built up either in myself, or in the subject, this may ensure some sort of chatter will occur just to relieve the type of pressure this product may be creating. If your target is moving, or you are moving, and you are not sharing space, then this product so far, or this mix of doages doesn’t work. A good test for this is if I walk up with a girl with this stuff on – will she walk away from me if I stand beside her, or will either one of us break the ice and start an interaction. If a lady starts walking away rather than stay there and see you as someone she can talk with rather than be alone, then you know 100% this stuff doesn’t work…so I can’t make that conclusion here. But I sure as heck didn’t capture any woman’s interest to approach me and chat. * * * To date, this only works if I’m taking a girl out inside my car at 1 IO \*1 and 1 IS \*2. Maybe my sweet spot may be 1 IO _1 so, I’ll try experimenting again with 1_ dosages. This particular combo seems to have more self-effects in that it fixes the body energy levels in such a way that it may turn me into a bit of an extrovert that seeks energy interacting with people, rather than being an introvert that seeks energy staying away from people and solace in thoughts. * * * In the future, for trying to get hits in public, may trying playing with IS and IG combos and leave IO out for now unless there is more social exposure. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/29 "2011-04-19T02:51:50Z")
Another self-effect worth noting with the IS and IO trials so far is the conspicious absence of “introspection and second-guessing” after a social interaction. Like I don’t feel the need that I need to try some phoney smile or over-compensate for my lack of social prowess wearing these products. I know, I usually may experience regret if I don’t talk to a cute girl, or if I don’t respond properly and seem to be “out of it”, or if I’m too rigid and formal and the interaction is “strained”. However, to date, there has been no regrets, reconstruction, or second guessing on any interaction. Just have a “cool” feeling. The dreaded “social interaction” does not seem like some scary “energy demand” on my system, but has more of a natural flow with the IO and IS combo. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/30 "2011-04-19T05:48:46Z")
Tommorow there is a GYM workout which there is a high ratio of females there. If I wake up on time tommorow, this will provide a great opportunity to test the TO GO pheromones and follow up on the idea that a good exercise work-out produces sweat which further enhances the effect of the pheromones that are sprayed on to produce amazing results both in and outside the gym. Testing apparatus: 2 sprays of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (_2 strength) 2 sprays of Instant Openness (2_ strength) 1 spray of Instant Gentleman or TUTH. (would prefer using TUTH in the Gym since just to see what type of girls would tune in to that sort of signature). * * * Will report results after this GYM visit. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/31 "2011-04-27T14:42:21Z")
3 sprays of IS (2\*) and 3 sprays of IO (2\*), going to school. Effect on self: No effect to report. Effect on others: No effect to report. Literally just like spraying water on me. This time there is no effect. Believe that less may be more with IO, or perhaps IO simply does not work except inside a car and perhaps this bottle must just be tossed. IO reported effect of 1 spray at 1 strength which means maybe this is my sweet spot? ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/32 "2011-05-01T18:55:51Z")
1 spray of IO (1 strength), 1 spray of IS (2 strength) on wrists. Self-effects: Possibly placebo. Helped with social anxiety and I was able to feel more at ease and interact with ladies. Time slowed down mentally. Normally I’m nervy and get anxious when around people. Felt more natural. I think this may indicate my “mental time” is out of synch and this is causing tension. That means I may be processing information in the environment too fast and getting overwhelmed and nervy. Have to study more into that. Again, extreme self-reflections like this is usually a placebo effect since this is not a psycho-active drug like weed…so it shouldn’t be capable of that type of giving me any sort of high. Able to focus on certain girls – or zero into girls I felt there was a nice blood chemistry which also made me feel somewhat at ease. Seemed to be mainly black girls. Effect on others: Due to better confidence interacting with people I got one girls’ phone number that I asked out for lunch and gave her a ride home. This is TOTALLY OUT OF CHARACTER and marks the first time IN HISTORY I’VE EVER DONE THIS AT THIS LOCATION. Other black girls easier to connect with. Again, the only hit I’ve had with pheromones so far was with a black girl. Therefore, it seems that I’m noticing the effects on a socially diverse mix mainly with black girls. I am mulatto myself and half black and half white. I also just got a haircut. Observations of pheromones so far: It seems less is more with me. I can douse myself with IS and IO, and it feels like water or no effect. All the good reports come from 1 spray of 1 strength IO. If that is the case and it continues to produce these results then a possible sweet spot is: 1 IS to the wrist – 2 strength. 1 IO to the wrist – 1 strenght. Any further IO is OD for me. I think IO spray may increase a “humourous” interpretation of stimuli of more is put on. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/33 "2011-05-08T01:12:37Z")
A body-wash from Dial “Magnetic”, which contains the special A1 ingrediant from [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) (a line that is discontinued because of the depression side-effects) has been purchased for $ 30.00. Okay – the breakdown is this: $ 6.15 for the bottle, $ 24.00 for S & H. I live in Toronto, Canada, so I have to drive down to New York or Michican state to buy a bottle to try this stuff out…with the price or gas and bother of doing that, I think I’ll rather pay the middle-man to deliver this to me. I checked with Dial head-quarters and they are not allowed to sell the A1 pheromone in Canada – it is banned here. After reading testimonials, on this site, about people who have used this product, I am encouraged and want to take the plunge – fully knowing one of the side effects of this stuff is depression…better spray some IS on, he he he. * * * The reason I want to try a body-wash is it feels VERY ackward spraying on pheromones. The idea of carrying out bottles of pheromones or spraying it on, makes me feel rather desperate. The body-wash is something you have to use whenever you shower, making it more of a natural add on. That way, whenever I leave the door, I have pheromones on without worrying about when is a good time to spray it on to do pheromone testing. A second reason of this body-wash is that it will encourage me to shower before going outside. Believe it or not, I don’t shower sometimes for two days and just wear comfortable gym clothes. If women like it when a man is groomed and properly showered (hygene), then I see a body-wash like this definately encouraging more showers to get reactions from the ladies! I’m glad I bought a bottle of this and enthusastically await it’s arrival to my home. I’m glad I came on this site to read testimonials to steer me on to this product. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/34 "2011-05-08T18:44:44Z")
1 spray of IS (2 strength) and 1 IO (1 strength) used. IS spray is slightly less since the TO GO bottle is at the bottom of the spray. Have another TO GO bottle and since this is used very sparingly I’m not buying a bottle of IS unless the usage (demand) goes up. Self-effects: Appeared sure of myself, confident and about, despite leaving the home in a tired state of mind or not feeling very keen on socializing with people. Noticing vibes from some girls that are good targets. Effects on others: Got some casual looks. Challenges: Think I may need a bit more IS in the mix to ensure there is no negative interpretation of any interaction before or after. Also need some more social skill in terms of opening and having a conversation…or take a few more social risks. Do not think pheromones can help with this - only make that learning process easier. Think if I can make a girl feel special I can win her over. Again, a bottle of Dial Magnetic with the A1 is purchased and I’m waiting for that order as that can help with inducing such feelings. May order a TO GO of IH later - this pheromone usually deals with making a deeper type of rapport. However, with the mix I have, I can pick up vibes of some girls that may be great to approach. Apart from that my mom told me I look sure of myself and more confident – like any girl could like me there. * * * After reading some other threads I do not think IH will help me or any other type of pheromones so, for this particular social set, best to stick to IO and IS since I’m a “shy and gloomy introvert” – I’d probably, need to increase the dosage of IS on this mix, or experiment with more IO strength sprays. Will try up to 3-4 strength units of IO to check effects before considering IH, need more experiments here where there is expected social contact. Or, may have to concede pheromones are used to the limit, the rest is up to me to get more acclimiated to talking with women and to set up situations where I’ll be in their physical proximity for at least five minutes or longer and see how that would go. ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 12:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/35 "2011-05-09T12:40:46Z")
Actually IH does make people talk, albeit not as much. It’s kinda hard to explain but the best explanation that i suppose this community came up with was “bonding”. I wouldn’t say it’s a lousy description at all but you honestly should give it a go if you have extra cash lying around. Steering molecules aside, the main difference between io and ih would be the a nol and b nol ratios. just fyi ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/36 "2011-05-10T00:50:27Z")
> [@menger](#): > > Actually IH does make people talk, albeit not as much. It’s kinda hard to explain but the best explanation that i suppose this community came up with was “bonding”. I wouldn’t say it’s a lousy description at all but you honestly should give it a go if you have extra cash lying around. I don’t know where to draw the line between my own social competance and the product. For example, if I can not sit next to a woman for five minutes, then I have to ask myself, what is it that I’m afraid of? How can pheromones change that? The truth is, women out there are nice and pleasant to talk with (and if anything else happens that is a bonus to a pleasant interaction) and pheromones self-effect may cause me to tune into that type of perception, or to “types” of women who may support that type of perception, so maybe I don’t feel as intimidated or overwhelmed. Therefore, I can say that, ot some level, IO/IS is helping, but I also have to take the social risks and face some of my fears. That means, sit next to someone for five minutes, and see if there is really ackward silences with an IO product on (up to 3 sprays – or 3-4 strength total aggregate). If IO is supposed to work, then I shouldn’t really be worried about sitting next to someone and going blank. I suppose, I haven’t really tested it that way yet. To date, it has been mainly self-effects or my own level of comfort in dealing with social situations that appear to be effected, but no blatant hits. > [@menger](#): > > Steering molecules aside, the main difference between io and ih would be the a nol and b nol ratios. just fyi I know all of that - thanks. Since my issues is not with bonding or “seriousness”, but appears more to opening with a girl or keeping some sort of conversation going, I’m good with what I have. I’ve already bought a bottle of Dial-Magnetic and think that the A1 molecules on that stuff should help women feel more at ease around me or connected, … think IH is too intense for the use I’m intending this for here…which is just to get me to loosen up and talk to girls and take some risks, and for them to talk with me. Shouldn’t be that difficult here. ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/37 "2011-05-10T08:32:52Z")
Cool. Let us know how it goes and I hope it works better than you expect it to 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2011, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/38 "2011-05-10T13:44:08Z")
If you really believe pheromones do anything you are sadly misguided. They are simply tools and in the right hand, say like a typewriter in Hunter S. Thompson’s hand would create such masterpieces as Fear an Loathing. In someone else hands, say like Bubba Smith of Redneck USA, you’d be lucky to get a correct name spelling. They give you an edge, but whether you would capitalize on that edge or not is the difference between those who are successful and those who are not. Many people can go out and be successful with or without mones. I could certainly stop using them at any time, albeit a bit difficult not impossible and I have done so before. However someone inspired to succeed, to overcome any and all obstacles, will use ALL the tools at his disposal. The ones destined to repeat the same mistakes, continue to fail at every corner, will always make excuses and find obstacles to stop them rather than lift them. Those on here who continuously look at a product like mones and question whether its the mones or them are simply looking for that obstacle to stop them. There is a difference in knowing that it was all you, that you used the opportunity of the mones to create and advantage, than the guy who continually “tries” to decipher if it was the mones or himself doing it. The creators, the success minded are the ones who say I have all these tools at my disposal and I will do what it takes to win. I will use what has been presented to me to create opportunities and advantages, knowing full well that it is I who wields all the power to make it happen. So what’s the difference between pheromones and a screwdriver (not the drink you silly dear readers)? Do you really debate with yourself whether it was the screwdriver or you who tightened the screw into the wall? Be happy that you are in control of your life. Use your will to create the reality that you want. Ask yourself if you are happy? All of you, not just your mind? Are you really happy? ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/39 "2011-05-15T22:30:40Z")
Pheromones tested yesterday and today as follows: Yesterday went to a banquet and emptied the remaining IS bottle, about 1/2 spray of 2 times strength. Results with self: Did not notice any appreciable difference. Effect on others: Did not notice any appreciable difference. Nothing eventful to report about. Was with my mother and talked to one woman there and had to leave early so I didn’t really socialize. TODAY: 1 spray of IS (2 times strenght), 1 spray of IO (1 times strength). Result with self: Did not leave the church in a negative state of mind and had positive interpretations of stimuli. Tendency to externalize (i.e. look out for someone to talk to rather than introspect). When I’m on the fence, IO will tend to push towards socializing. However, as I said before in previous posts, I still have to consider to take social risks. Results with others: No hits, obvious or subtle. Didn’t connect with anyone. Confounding variables: My mother sat with me by the end of service and wanted to leave immediately afterwards, steering me away from any socializing with anyone there after service. Sort of gives me the excuse I’m looking for to just ditch a place where I’m not connecting with anyone and wasting my time. Expanding on results with others: On one hand, I do not feel church is an ideal place for meeting women, or is a crap-shoot to meet anyone (i.e. have to really be at the right place at the right time). Otherwise, women are either part of a clique, is paired up with another guy, is texting messages on their blackberry (i.e. and therefore have another guy in heart?) or leave right after service if they look like they are available. On the other hand, I have to guage these TO GO bottle products and ensure my expectations are realistic. For example, I am no longer complaining that I’m introvert or that I’m not approachable…so it’s a different level of dialogue. Therefore, on some level, I know it’s not me that’s giving off any vibes that I’m not confident. So I can say that I generally left the place in a positive and level headed state of mind, but the only issue is I’m not really connecting with a nice hot girl there. LOGISTICS ANALYSIS: This looks at times I can talk to people and how much social exposure I may have. For example, If my mother steers me away from talking to people by having to go home, and I’m already on the fence, then no pheromone in the world will make a difference to that. Pheromoens are helpful where, I’m on the fence, I don’t fold up and jet, but may be steered into going around to talk, as far as self-effects for IO are concerned. The best solution to talk to women who may leave after service is to go up to them and shake their hand (when they have open handshakes near the middle of service) and invite them to come to talk to me after service and come to my area or to wait around after service saying that “are you new? I’d like to chat with you after service, will you be sticking around?” This may seem too silly too execute and risk rejection, but if too many women are leaving after service is finished, then there may be no other choice. Again, I’d probably be happy with myself for taking a novel social risks that deals with the logistical challenges at hand. Sometimes you can’t wait for an opportune moment to create a social opportunity. If I’m wearing IO and IS I should feel somewhat confident I won’t be a social failure for social opportunities I try to create for myself based on how I’m vibing…so what am I afraid of? But then again, my mom had to leave after service and felt the air was stuffy in there. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/40 "2011-05-17T18:46:13Z")
Went to mall to take mom to dental office. Sprayed 1 1/2 spray of Instant Gentlement to test it out on the right wrist. Self-effects: Have not really noticed anything other than the cover scent. Effects on others: None. Right now I"m on a laptop computer with headphones on writing this on a dental office. There are three women in the place that should be sitting within range to the smell of the pheromone on my wrist and honestly, have not gotten any eye contact, or notice any sort of effect at all. Prior to this and walking around, same thing, nadda. Nothing out of the ordinary. Like spraying scented water on. Dissapointed. If you can’t get any eye contact, or any form of IOI after putting a spray on, it has to be useless. Not expecting a bunch of girls to come to me and start talking to me or anything crazy like that. Know based on reports that 90% of the time girls don’t open you up. But no effect at all. Have more TO GO bottles to continue testing, but the results since last Sunday forward seem to be dissapointing in terms of getting a connection with a lady, or any sort of interest. At least I"m not getting a panic-attack reaction This is supposed to be one of them “attraction” sprays rather than a social spray so this is more under scrutiny than the social phomones.. Now, I can apply more sprays, up to three and four, or try different areas of the body to spray based on reports from other threads where people complain these products absolutely do nothing for them. After that, I may have to write a thread on this myself. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603.md?page=3)