# Trying out Pheromones for first time **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [March 29, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603 "2011-03-29T19:16:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/41 "2011-05-17T19:44:52Z")
You may need additional mones, as in more sprays… or, you may need to interact with those around you. Mones will put out the signal, but, if your on your laptop, with headphones on… your PHYSICAL signal is, I’m busy right now… So, even if the ATTRACTION signal of a mone is present… your body language, attitude and conversation may say… NOT NOW… I think of it like when you smile broadly, from ear to ear at someone, and then say “I DISPISE YOU!” … A mixed signal… depending on the tone of voice, you may believe the smile or you may believe the words… Also, some people will be like you… busy mentally… planning their day or going over issues they need to deal with in there head… typing comments on a forum… so, the attraction signal, is ignored… Hey, the silver lining is that your panic attack reactions is not rearing it’s ugly head… so I’m glad for you! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2011, 8:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/42 "2011-05-17T20:55:41Z")
I noticed I got some looks or a better connection from older women…so I’m going to also do some research on what type of women IG is likely to attract. It may have been obvious I was busy with my head-phones on, or that most women out there are mentally occupied about something. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/43 "2011-05-18T04:19:13Z")
Okay…evaluating the rest of the day. Went to the Gym to work out. There I did notice glances or stares, no obvious hits. This may be due to the fact that people are more attune to other people in that environment and, sometimes when you work out, you do look around to see who is there. You can’t help it. So I can’t really make much of brief stares coming from the gym unless a lady actually came towards me or made it very obvious she was staring at me. Now this is still [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) sprayed on earlier…but I do know, if I start sweating, I probably produce my own natural pheromones, and if those pheromones mix with the artificial ones, it may make some sort of impact. For example, I remember dousing myself with three sprays of IS, and two drops of A314. I was sort of under a phero-cloud initially with that combo, but didn’t notice any blatant hits. However, after I did some exercise and started to sweat, I think that’s when that stuff really kicked in and I got a blatant hit from a cashier afterwards. Right now I’m more conservative and tend to try one spray of anything…unless I’m going out by myself, in which case I could be more adventerous with the experiments. I’m still considering 1Alpha on the physical “I’m busy now” signal since it seems I have an inclination to tense up and do something. * * * For now, I’m grading Instant Gentleman, 1 spray, to “possibly” have effects with older women. That is my hunch – with my body chemistry and that spray I detect a resonance with older women. But, I’d have to test this some more times to be sure. Maybe it suits me since I’m already introvert and want something that makes a woman open up to me with minimal effort on my part (i.e. showing I’m available, or some minimal interaction without being too obvious I’m interested or want to talk…so playing with IO, IS, and IG, sound like a particular combo that may help. * * * So, this thread marks a shift of testing pheromones in routine public settings on more routine day to day. That’s a good adventerous spirit. Seems I’m getting bored with 1 spray of IO (1 strength) and IS in a church venue and want to play with the dedicated “masculine” pheromones. In the future, for the GYM – want to try TUTH and combine it with a social or IG. For daily going out (alone)-- may continue to test out IG to confirm resonance with older women, and see if a larger dose changes that resonance, or if putting TUTH on changes the age groups of women it may seem I have a resonance with. Adding socials to the mix can’t hurt. If going with my mom – whatever I use must be one spray and it can’t be TUTH since she may react adversely to it. ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2011, 4:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/44 "2011-05-18T04:44:20Z")
That sounds like a good game plan, Luke… Keep up the clear and concise reporting! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/45 "2011-05-19T03:31:36Z")
A bottle of A1 infused soap (Dial Magnetic) arrived at my door. I immediately opened the bottle to take a whiff of this soap and I had NO depression. I asked my dad to take a whiff of the soap (opening the top cover), and he had no depression either. This A1 depression thing has to be some sort of joke. This soap smell doesn’t make me feel depressed at all. I’m going to use this body wash next time I take a shower before going to church, or taking a shower before I’m likely to interact with people on a day to day routine. Hear that A1 when mixed with A314 works very well. However, for personal reasons, A314 is shelved and slated for an eventual return back to Adriotics to claim a credit to purchase other pheromones such as [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/46 "2011-05-19T22:24:26Z")
No pheromones used today. Null hit. (i.e. hit without pheromones so there is contrasts established without using pheromone sprays). Went to a store today and felt a good connection with a lady working there. She looked like a stereotypical bookworm (i.e. nerdy), slim and I found myself gravitating towards her. She was open with me in the sence she went out of her way to find a food item I casually mentioned, which she didn’t really have to do, and chatted me up a bit asking me if I come there often, etc… I was quite shocked by this attention. I didn’t ask for her phone number because I’m too busy in my own world for any girl to fit in there and I don’t think I would follow up, and also I’m not sure if she’s a Christian or not (i.e. I never asked her). It always feels somewhat incomplete if I have a great connection with a woman but leave with just her name and no private phone number. However, my experience keeps showing me that I just become a number collector and am too distracted by other issues in life to follow up with anyone so it’s best never to ask until I have a simplier sort of life or are more settled. If I still have thoughts and feelings towards her over time and continue visiting that store, and there is still that warm rapport, then perhaps eventually I may make some sort of move. * * * This just shows that once in a blue moon, without using pheromones, a girl could actually like me. Or, that I could meet women outside of the church once in a while if there is tunnel vision with that. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/47 "2011-05-20T17:02:24Z")
The null-hit described yesterday was not really a null-hit, but I think more of that “right place at right time” scenerio with me interacting with someone. For example, the girl may have felt idle or lonely at the time, I came in there and INTERACTED with her, and she encouraged that interaction to the point I felt comfortable with her. This confirms Alpha1’s theory that, if I’m sending contradictory physical signals to the pheromone signature (i.e. I do not actually interact with anyone, or look like I’m available (i.e. too out and about or closed in), then pheromones will not be working very well. What would be interesting is what reaction would occur if I had [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) on, if that would have amplified the “comfort factor” that was already building there. I think, now, if I had Instant Openness on, perhaps I would have asked for her phone number or had less inhibitions within the interaction. So, maybe I may try that on next time I go into that particular shop or carry that stuff around - try one or two sprays. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2011, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/48 "2011-05-20T23:55:22Z")
Did not notice anything out of the ordinary with the Dial Magnetic body-wash today. This soap is supposed to contain the A1 pheromone, which is banned from Adroinics for depression side-effects with people. Sat next to a lady and she turned her head away from me. Then she turned her head towards me. Then she turned her head away from me again. This was on a chair that I sat on next to this lady that was not occupied. I didn’t initiate any interaction with her since I was looking at her initial body language (i.e. not very inviting) but, again, I sat next to her so if this A1 is supposed to work, then she’s supposed to feel comfortable and at ease. Did not notice anything out of ordinary in terms of any interaction with any woman. * * * Self-effects: No depression. Mom asked me if I felt “sad”. Felt a minor limerance on the girl I interacted with yesterday I wrote about in the journal. Saw girls more with a lens of romantic love rather than sexual which I attributed to this soap. Any feeling of depression side-effect, may be interpreted as being a hopeless romantic…maybe that’s the “Female Magic”? I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/49 "2011-05-21T04:57:54Z")
Well, Dial Magnetic…don’t know what to say. Maybe it’s a good detector to see which women is having a period and which one isn’t. So, let me get this straight - this stuff works mainly on women that are having periods? So, if I get hit on, using A1, it means it’s likely she has a period? LOL! The thought process that comes from using this product has gone beyond mad. Usually, when I think of women, I think of beauty, sexiness, but blood and periods…well, at least have to say this pheromone use is a psychological adventure that challenges assumptions. Today, when I went to the GYM, the clerk asked me if I needed any towels, and I caught her blinking at me with her right eye, and she played with her hair after I passed. Now, that could be interpreted as some sort of “hit”. That was the only “hit” that I can report of noticing for the entire day. Then again, I’m not sure of how much I’m a participant. Again, at the gym, there were women there, but I retreated into using my headphones and using a machine that had a TV and didn’t really challenge myself to go up to a girl and interact with her and see how that flows. To participate, I have to interact, then it’s up to the girl to encourage the interaction (i.e. to cooperate), or discourage it (i.e. non-cooperate). Now, I’m assuming, these products should increase the chances that any woman I approach and engage should cooperate with my lead. Realistically, I’m not very attractive, more like average looking, unless I met an odd women where there is a stronger chemistry, I’m probably going to have to show personality, and they are going to have to trust me and like me enough for the interaction to go smoothly. This is where, pheromones, if they work on other people besides myself, would probably come in. Maybe it should cause me to vibe better when I’m trying to interact and get more cooperation. So, when they are “feeling” me out, they will be feeling an artificially induced pheromone signature of what I want them to “feel” out of me. Apart from that, it would be probably fantasy to believe any [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) could have any more effect than that. * * * I’ve noticed other guys with girls – and sometimes envy that they seem to have a nice connection with women that is natural that I can only look through the glass. Perhaps, this may inspire me to use higher dosages of the spray products or apply the body wash more generously next time. Another aspect is since I don’t have a “single’s social life” (i.e. hanging out with friends, meeting women in social circles, dancing, etc…), this may tend to overcompensate by looking for a connection out there whenever I’m going about my daily tasks and obsessing over every interaction. In other words, perhaps pheromones may not work in environments where women are moving about or are in their own little worlds going about their business compared to social events when there is more social contact, etc… * * * Other experiments may be to try out sprays of pheromones, go to the GYM to work out for 30 minutes, and see how sweat can change a signature (i.e. amplify or it reduce it). Want to try experiments of this on some of the Instant Line products. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/50 "2011-05-23T01:59:02Z")
Full day with Dial Magnetic’s A1 on. No hits observed today. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/51 "2011-05-25T02:32:47Z")
Dial Magnetic body wash used after taking a shower at the swimming pool. SELF-EFFECTS: No adverse reaction (i.e. tiredness) as before. Effect on others: No hits or effects to report. Today seems just like I put some body wash soap on, nothing spectacular. Not much social exposure to test out product. Seem to interact better with women - but that may just be incidental rather than to be attributed to the product. This thread here is from another user of the same product: [Do anabolics make you produce more 'pheromones'?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-anabolics-make-you-produce-more-pheromones/50261) It is obvious that my body-shape is not the same type as this guy and do not think there is likely going to be any dramatic hits as a result of using any [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/). The only thing thing that can be done for an average looking guy (unless I happen to find, by chance, a girl that’s into how I look) is to show personality and make some sort of interaction. Since I didn’t see any hot girl where I attempted to make an interaction, there is no fair trial of this product to tests its effect. I will also look at other users of Dial Magnetic to compare notes with my journal here since it seems that Dial Magnetic is the easiest A1 phermone to apply since spraying on a pheromone feels ackward, while applying it as body-wash just seems allot easier and routine. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/52 "2011-05-27T19:04:27Z")
1 spray of IG, 1 spray of IS (2), 1 spray of IO (2). Event: Took a friend out to swimming. Main subject for experiment is friend, _collateral subjects, any woman in and around the pool area or working as staff_. **Self-effect** : Was cloudy outside and felt a bit under the weather before leaving to pick up my friend. After putting on social pheromones IS, IO and IG, felt like I had a cup of coffee and was more perceptive of my surroundings and felt as though a light bulb had come on. It would be interesting to try IO as a standalone - and perhaps pherobomb myself once with IO to see what type of effect it has. Not sure if this self-effect is attributable to IO, IS, or IG. However, don’t want to waste sprays unless there is also a chance I can test it with other people. **Effect-on-friend** : Edginess was gone and felt in a relaxed state when picking her up. Felt the “personal space” between her and me was somehow reduced as she walked next to me inside the swim place. Usually, you can feel a bit of a personal distance, or she may be walking a few feet away. She gave me a business contact and we sat next to each other in some parts of the sauna or pool, but other times were apart. In terms of chatter – the effect reported earlier that she would speak non-stop with IO (1 strength) on has not been reported with (2 strength). Would have to experiment with 1 IS and 1 IO to evaluate how that effects chatter. Otherwise, everything is the same with nothing major to report about. It’s rather a non-physical type of friendship in the extreme. Therefore, I’d probably play with TUTH on a mix next time with her just for kicks. Start with 1 spray and then move it up to 3 and mix it with IG/IS – really do it with the “masculine” vibes mixes. I am more comfortable playing with the [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/) and realizing that there is no real adverse reaction, and most of the time, I don’t really notice there is anything dramatic about them. **Collateral-effect** : Did not notice anything really “wow”, out of the ordinary. In fairness, I didn’t really make an obvious attempt to interact with anyone and think I may be sending physical signals that would be incongruent with the pheromone mix I’ve been trying. Since I’m really a “leave me alone, I’m busy” type of persona, which is what I have on all of the time, it’s sort of difficult to crack that. Maybe I have to try phero-bombing myself with IO (2) and IS (2) (i.e. try two sprays before a social), or 3-4 IO (2). However, I wouldn’t pherobomb or overuse pheromones to look for collateral hits during a day as that would be too wasteful. However, as a good direction, if I were to make further investments with Adriotics to try out pheromones, I’d say I may see myself buying Instant Openness and Instant Shine since this “leave me alone, I’m busy” persona is seen as the biggest sticking point to my game. I have to “relax myself” and have a portrayal that I’m cool but personable and approachable. Not sure which mixes would accomplish that. Want to see how IO works as a stand-alone though. Also, where I sprayed my wrists with the stuff is inside the pool most of the time so I don’t think there would be any diffusion in water anyway. * * * NEXT: Dial Magnetic Soap. Feel I’m wasting too much of an expensive (on postage) soap for casual use. Again, don’t think wasting expensive products to get some collateral hit in the course of daily activities is the best use of a pheromone product and think it’s wasteful. May just hold on to Dial when I’m going to a social event. Right now there is no perceptiable self-effect on it, and not obvious or direct hits from any girl since wearing it. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/53 "2011-05-28T21:22:54Z")
Tried 1 spray of IO (2) on right hand. Potluck social function at church, duration about under an hour. Self-effects: Was going in feeling rather tired and not really social. This helped take away some of the edginess that is especially pronounced when I’m tired and in a situation I may have to interact with people. Effect on others: A lady sat down opposite my table and started a convo with me and asked my name. However, it didn’t seem the flow of the convo went well and we ignored each other afterwards. I didn’t check to see if she was going around and saying hi to everyone. Sort of felt bad when I didn’t think there was any connection. Was rather depressed since there was some reflections of the “bad year” with some person on there so my mental frame went on the negative and I was tired. The minute anyone has any sort of ‘power’ in a social interaction to make you feel bad or “ignored”, is the minute that a mood enhancement pheromone, such as Instant Shine becomes effective. It should steer things towards an upbeat positive vibe rather than a sad interaction. So, in that sence, with [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) by itself, it was virtually part of a major social failure. Conclusion: Losing faith on Instant Openness as a stand-alone at one spray. It may sound crazy, but I may have to try four sprays of Instant Openness at 2 times strength if I’m serious about trying this as a stand-alone. Want to check out self-effects at higher dosages and see if it gets me giddy or in a humourous type of mood. I really think I may be wasting my time with these (1 spray) reports. May have to read other reports with multiple sprays of this stuff. It seems my state of mind seems to be equally as important. Think IS should be used with any product and may consider the idea of putting a ratio of IS per ratio of other product. Another ‘outside’ suggestion may be really to try a drop or two of A314 for social situations, and/or buy a bottle of Instant Jerk (add it if I’m buying a bottle of something else that has proven itself to work to save on postage). For example, in this case, simply too much “low status vibes” were given out to have any successful social presentation. If you go to a social function and end up feeling depressed and feel bad afterwards, then it’s better to stay home and do something else with that time. Generally, the point is to leave feeling more upbeat and good about yourself. IS should at least function to steer things in a good direction. * * * Isn’t it interesting that despite not getting any “dramatic hits” I continue to have faith in this Adroitics line of products? I think it’s a learning process that takes time to look at other people’s journals or threads and my own body chemistry and how I flow with other people. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/54 "2011-05-29T18:07:49Z")
Went to church and didn’t use any [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/). Differences seem like night and day. No energy to go up and talk to people. People seemed out of focus and I didn’t zero in on anyone that I’d want to talk with. So, I can say the effects of the spray, Instant Openness, is similar to wearing glasses and brings things socially into focus. This is not to say that some women may have came up to me and hugged me or interacted with me during the service. Or, I may have said hi to a girl before leaving. There is evidence of non-verbal rapport or touching without using this pheromone. Also, noticed some residual effects of the Instant Opener yesterday is that I tend to feel out the vibes of women around and feel a better sort of connection with them, even if I’m not catching anyone steering at me. (i.e. sometimes when I look away, a girl may be looking at me, but as soon as I turn to look at her then she looks away, etc… would probably need special glasses to see that!). This is usually noticed on the evening after a spray is made earlier in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/55 "2011-05-31T21:42:30Z")
A new bottle of Dial Soap for Men has been purchased, without pheromones, at my local store here in Toronto, Canada, to experiment with another product from Dial to contrast with the existing Dial Magnetic Body Wash I own that contains the A1 pheromone. This bottle is called Dial “High Impact” and has a green colour on the outside. Immediately after wearing, my mother asked if I’m wearing a new soap and said this one has a “masculine smell”, or I smell like a real man. Have yet to test this brand out on other people. This is the exact same comment she made with Dial Magnetic. Again, if both Dial Soaps have the same reactions with women, then perhaps it is just the Dial bodywash itself is a good product itself rather than the A1 pheromones inside Dial magnetic – or, maybe they snook in some A1 pheromones on all their men’s products and didn’t disclose that in it’s soap ingrediants? If there is any “hits” using any Dial Soap product this will surely be reported here. I noted in other threads, where people have reported “Hits” using Dial Magnetic bodywasy, they didn’t experiment with another brand from Dial to see if there is a similar effect. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/56 "2011-06-01T23:56:56Z")
Have the alternate Dial Soap being tried today after swim lessons. This is NOT Dial Magnetic and has now pheromones. Self-effects: Absolutely none. Effect on others: It would seem that the lady at the swim counter was open with me. I’ve also noticed other girls around. If I had worn Dial Magnetic, I would probably see myself as getting similar reactions out there to this alternate Dial I purchased. May have a new target – the lady working at the counter. Think the pheromones help “casualise” me and make me less formal or edgy so this is something that may be pursued and looked at. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Skywalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Luke\_Skywalker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Luke_Skywalker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2011, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603/57 "2011-06-02T05:35:14Z")
I believe that I will make a post here and write about placebo effects. Since 2003 forward, I have always found that when my mind is committed to the success of attracting women, that women come out of the wood-work in an indirect way even though the actual activity to attract them was not direct. 1. I remember going to a bookstore in 2003 to buy a book called “How to Succeed with Women” with Copeland. This marked some turning point of where for the first time in my life, I’m spending $20.00 to learn some stuff. I interacted with a hot girl at the bookstore looking for this book. 1. In 2006, I was really attracted to this girl and practised script lines from this book “How to Succeed With Women” and the hang-out was pleasant in memory (although it crashed and burned to hell afterwards). This again shows the placebo effect of believing using lines in the book could work, while in reality, the lines may not have made any difference and may otherwise have come out canned or inauthentic. 1. Whenever I buy an e-book - dealing with anything, there is always a brief honeymoon period where it seems I may be seeing some results. For example, How to Be handsome, was used. I whitened my teeth, wore the best clothes out there, and tried to fix myself up good. I got on occasion what I thought was hits or some nice connections out there. At the end of this all, it all fizzled out. I suspect, while I was applying the ideas of the e-book, there was a placebo effect that I felt dressing a certain way would be a “magical” action to get girls attracted to me. 1. As of recent, I started going to group gym lessons, and then later to swimming lessons as a means for attracting girls. The swim lessons is part of an Adventure hypothesis. That is, if I do something adventerous, then chicks will come out of the woodwork to meet me. I remember going to a local amusement park, back in 2008, to conquer all my fears about the worst rollercoaster rides. Then I went to try bungee-jumping. Two girls I didn’t know offered that I can go with them when I got rejected by two other girls. Again, I can say this bravery to try bungee jumping was rewarded by being in the company of two hot girls while doing it that just came into my path. After going to this amusement park, a day later, I met a girl on route to the library and end up talking with her and she was also an amusement park enthusiast. Is this possibly a placebo effect of the magical belief that if I do something adventerous, then I’ll attract a woman out of the woodworks and into my life? Right now, I’m applying this belief to swimming. That overcoming fear of water and the deep end of the pool will result in a woman coming out of the woodworks and joining this world I have. Already it looks like one of the ladies working there is warming up to be a bit and I’m getting familiar with some of the hot female lifeguards working there. I’m also getting lots of eye candy as women go to pools very exposed compared to outside. * * * The point of this is that pheromone use may be the latest placebo. If you read this journal, it really starts with what appears like a honeymoon phase. I ask a girl out at church and get her phone number then drive her home. Then apart from that, you don’t hear much. This shows that unless there is more consistent results – the major hits so far may just be placebo – or there may be a deeper trend where I start things that appear to give me hope, get a reinforcement to my belief that the system, book or product will work by seeing a positive response by a girl, and then I go back to the status-quoe prior to buying it in the first place. This post is just something that I have to consider as I continue on the journey of finding attraction with women. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trying-out-pheromones-for-first-time/49603.md?page=2)