# Turn up the heat / Alpha 7 ...same? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 17, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639 "2009-08-17T20:38:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Getterdone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/71e660/32.png) [@Getterdone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Getterdone)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/1 "2009-08-17T20:38:17Z")
Anybody know if these products are basically the same. Unfortunately I’ve already purchased the Alpha and I’m wondering if I can combine it with other products (IS, A314, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), IO) as a replacement for TUH. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/2 "2009-08-17T20:43:11Z")
No, although I haven’t tried Alpha 7 they’re totally different. Although they both have -none, Alpha 7 if I’m not mistaken has -none and Androsterone, plus it’s in an oil base. A lot of people tend to get great results from it though, and say it’s good so not a bad buy. TUTH is straight -none with other secret “steering” molecules to steer it in a more sexual way. > [@Getterdone](#): > > Anybody know if these products are basically the same. Unfortunately I’ve already purchased the Alpha and I’m wondering if I can combine it with other nones as a replacement for TUH. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/3 "2009-08-17T22:20:45Z")
Alpha 7 contains the “big 3” (nol,none, rone), I forget the exact ratios though. I had good results with it, though it’s a bit “rougher” than AD products. No buffering. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/4 "2009-08-18T03:51:38Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Alpha 7 contains the “big 3” (nol,none, rone), I forget the exact ratios though. I had good results with it, though it’s a bit “rougher” than AD products. No buffering. I never knew it has nol in it are you sure about that? I own it and have had great success with it in fact used it for a few months when my phero supply was low always thought it only had androstenone + rone and was the successor to primal instinct. If i remember correctly it has about 24mcg androstenone + 4mcg rone per drop ---
**Author:** ![justaguy2116](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@justaguy2116](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justaguy2116)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/5 "2009-08-18T04:09:23Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Alpha 7 contains the “big 3” (nol,none, rone), I forget the exact ratios though. I had good results with it, though it’s a bit “rougher” than AD products. No buffering. You probably know better than me… but is there any chance you’re thinking of The Edge? Everything I can find about Alpha-7 says it’s 6:1 none:rone. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/6 "2009-08-18T06:10:40Z")
Rough design vs. refined, Thomas Edison & R&D vs. Time Square Rolodex salesmen > [@Mtnjim](#): > > Alpha 7 contains the “big 3” (nol,none, rone), I forget the exact ratios though. I had good results with it, though it’s a bit “rougher” than AD products. No buffering. Some like it rough. Hey now! I didn’t originally mean what that obviously sounds like, but I guess that’s true, too. 😉 You’ll always tend to find, however, my mix philosophy and refinements getting the way of this roughness – even when I don’t mean to, ala MX292 (the design intent of which was to be “bomb” like – i.e., a big effect, yes, but with lots of schrapnel and rough edges!) That’s why I like different quality voices in the market… and this is where I perhaps go beyond the scope of this message. I don’t want to “thread hijack” so read the rest here, if interested: > [@Rough design vs. refined, Thomas Edison & R&D vs. Time Square Rolodex salesmen](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rough-design-vs-refined-thomas-edison-r-d-vs-time-square-rolodex-salesmen/31653): > > Hi everyone. I found myself thread hijacking a bit (going beyond the scope of a thread), so I moved my discussion here. Here was the original discussion. [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639) The following is my original response. Useful stuff to know and understand, perhaps, but not really within the scope of what I was originally answering. Oops. slight_smile Some like it rough. Hey now! I didn’t originally mean what that obviously sounds like, but I guess th… ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/7 "2009-08-18T07:20:24Z")
Speaking about rough, Michael, whatever happened to the other pherobombs that were created during that time? I mean mx292 is one of my favorite products of all time and I thank you for missing your mark a little and making it more refined than intended, but were there others a bit more “Explosive”. Maybe mx293, or 291 were the ones? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/8 "2009-08-18T10:03:02Z")
> [@denec](#): > > I never knew it has nol in it are you sure about that? > > I own it and have had great success with it in fact used it for a few months when my phero supply was low > > always thought it only had androstenone + rone and was the successor to primal instinct. If i remember correctly it has about 24mcg androstenone + 4mcg rone per drop Alpha-7 is indeed just a mixture of Androstenone and Androsterone - there’s no Androstenol in there. The ingredients are even written on the bottle… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/9 "2009-08-18T12:14:47Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Alpha-7 is indeed just a mixture of Androstenone and Androsterone - there’s no Androstenol in there. The ingredients are even written on the bottle… 😉 I did not have my bottle in front of to confirm thanks Even though it is high in none, I was able to use 2 drops without OD maybe becuase it is oil format so it is slow release and maybe the androsterone helps, but I also usually add either some form of nol to help buffer as well