# Turn Up The Heat for women? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 12, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315 "2011-09-12T17:05:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![roundabouting](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@roundabouting](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roundabouting)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/1 "2011-09-12T17:05:26Z")
Hi there! I’m new to all this and I’m just curious to know whether TUTH would be effective for a female in attracting males? Or is there an equivalent mix for women besides [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/)? Most guys say that it really attracts the girls 😉 but I’ve read some guys say that they haven’t noticed any effects on others but really turned themselves on. So I thought, if a woman wears this would it have the same effects on a man?? Something to ponder…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 12:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/2 "2011-09-18T00:33:54Z")
> [@roundabouting](#): > > Hi there! I’m new to all this and I’m just curious to know whether TUTH would be effective for a female in attracting males? Or is there an equivalent mix for women besides Instant Sexiness? > > Most guys say that it really attracts the girls 😉 but I’ve read some guys say that they haven’t noticed any effects on others but really turned themselves on. So I thought, if a woman wears this would it have the same effects on a man?? Something to ponder…😃 From what I’ve read on the forum; not a great idea for women to wear. It’s a strong, male sex vibe. Designed to attract women; so my next question would be: Would it aggravate and put other women around you offside? You’d be wearing mones designed to attract women - is that what you’re looking for? Reasonable processing would indicate it would be counterproductive in that area, since that would be a ‘male’ vibe. Also, is it a lack of reaction from women, or a lack of observation? OD? or not enough, on their part? Or just one of those ‘this doesn’t work the way it’s intended _ **on me** _’, situations? I haven’t seen anyone recommend TUTH for fems; and quite a few discouraging posts, in the way that you’d be wasting money and mones. Does that help? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 11:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/3 "2011-09-18T11:17:02Z")
For women is more of a specialized product, Its not for wearing out and about as it makes men more aggressive and not always in a good way. However if your in a relationship and you want to spice things up in the bedroom a bit a few dabs along with other female attraction mones works wonders. Women tend to OD easily on tuth so use it sparingly and if you do decide to wear it out then buffer with other mones a lot to tone it down. There seems to be a misconception that women cant wear mens primary putatives and formulas and vice versa. You can you just have to use them differently then the opposite gender does. It just takes a little more work on the users part to get it just right. For women… use mens products sparingly, buffering well with female or unisex mones. Same for men. Use female putatives or mixes sparingly and buffer with male primaries. As for myself I dont care much for the mens mixes on myself. I much prefer something designed for a women but thats just personal preference. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/4 "2011-09-18T21:23:34Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > For women is more of a specialized product, Its not for wearing out and about as it makes men more aggressive and not always in a good way. > > However if your in a relationship and you want to spice things up in the bedroom a bit a few dabs along with other female attraction mones works wonders. > > Women tend to OD easily on tuth so use it sparingly and if you do decide to wear it out then buffer with other mones a lot to tone it down. > > There seems to be a misconception that women cant wear mens primary putatives and formulas and vice versa. You can you just have to use them differently then the opposite gender does. It just takes a little more work on the users part to get it just right. > > For women… use mens products sparingly, buffering well with female or unisex mones. > > **Same for men. Use female putatives or mixes sparingly and buffer with male primaries.** > > As for myself I dont care much for the mens mixes on myself. I much prefer something designed for a women but thats just personal preference. > > Tisha Hey Tisha, I have a question. I get why women want to try TUTH, since women’s products are so light on the ground. But what do guys wear the women’s products for? I understand that some experiment based on orientation; but what do the women’s products do for a straight guy? Just seems counterproductive to me. ---
**Author:** ![somechick03862](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@somechick03862](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/somechick03862)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/5 "2011-09-19T01:16:30Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > Hey Tisha, I have a question. I get why women want to try TUTH, since women’s products are so light on the ground. But what do guys wear the women’s products for? I understand that some experiment based on orientation; but what do the women’s products do for a straight guy? Just seems counterproductive to me. That is something I have been wondering since finding myself here! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/6 "2011-09-19T09:12:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Hey Tisha, I have a question. I get why women want to try TUTH, since women’s products are so light on the ground. But what do guys wear the women’s products for? I understand that some experiment based on orientation; but what do the women’s products do for a straight guy? Just seems counterproductive to me. Well it depends on which female mone they choose of course but for men wearing female mones can add depth, sensitivity, a softening of there personality which is useful for the more gruff men. It can add a warmth and tenderness to there personality. Just like to much male mones on a women makes us to hard and gruff to much female mones on a male can make them weak and to soft. This is why you treat the opposite genders mones more as a steering mone then a primary mone in a mix. Copulins on a man signal one thing though. He has been with a women. There is a theory that this gives men a in demand sort of vibe. Its hard to explain Ever see that movie Legally Blond with Reese Witherspoon ? There is this dorky guy from her class talking to these two girls trying to get a date and they are ridiculing him. Reese notices and walks over and slaps him and acts like she had been dating him and he broke her heart because he didnt call and all of a sudden these girls are into him. Its sort of that effect. However I have seen copulins backfire on men as well. A majority of women are not interested in a guy who is involved already. Copulins are what put the Jerk in IJ. They are what put the Dirty in the old Dirty product. They are what sets off the radar when women get that six sense that our men have been up to no good. Keep in mind except in the case of copulins which men just cant make we all make the same [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). For instance we all produce testosterone but men produce much more then women. We all produce estrogen but women produce way more then men. So a male/female is trying to accentuate there nature in a way similar to his/her own biology. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Joe10](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joe10/32/300_2.png) [@Joe10](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Joe10)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/7 "2011-09-19T14:21:37Z")
Tisha is the MAN 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sireric123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@sireric123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sireric123)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/8 "2011-09-21T08:41:07Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Copulins on a man signal one thing though. He has been with a women. There is a theory that this gives men a in demand sort of vibe. Its hard to explain > > However I have seen copulins backfire on men as well. A majority of women are not interested in a guy who is involved already. Copulins are what put the Jerk in IJ. They are what put the Dirty in the old Dirty product. They are what sets off the radar when women get that six sense that our men have been up to no good. > > Keep in mind except in the case of copulins which men just cant make we all make the same pheromones. For instance we all produce testosterone but men produce much more then women. We all produce estrogen but women produce way more then men. So a male/female is trying to accentuate there nature in a way similar to his/her own biology. > > Tisha what product have Copulins in it now in days.. you mention IJ but I did not realize it had that in it.. also which product constain est? It seems Copulins and est are the 2 leading [pheromones for women](https://phera.com/) (and are the one guy try to use for various reasons) and yet they seem to be the hardest to find updated info on. Like post from 3 years ago were very gun ho on the various product that featured copulins. and then I guess copulins were taking away to improve their quality, but it seem since then discussion have been continued on about the pheromone itself but not about what products they are in now. Also there seems back then there were alot more women specific commerical products, yet now there is only 2.. why is that? ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 9:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/9 "2011-09-21T09:11:33Z")
> [@sireric123](#): > > what product have Copulins in it now in days.. you mention IJ but I did not realize it had that in it.. also which product constain est? It seems Copulins and est are the 2 leading pheromones for women (and are the one guy try to use for various reasons) and yet they seem to be the hardest to find updated info on. Like post from 3 years ago were very gun ho on the various product that featured copulins. and then I guess copulins were taking away to improve their quality, but it seem since then discussion have been continued on about the pheromone itself but not about what products they are in now. Also there seems back then there were alot more women specific commerical products, yet now there is only 2.. why is that? Neither copulins nor Meo-est are available through AD, anymore. The subject has been covered extensively; if you use the ‘search’ function, you should be able to find threads explaining the where and why of the question. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/10 "2011-09-21T09:39:47Z")
> [@sireric123](#): > > what product have Copulins in it now in days.. you mention IJ but I did not realize it had that in it.. also which product constain est? It seems Copulins and est are the 2 leading pheromones for women (and are the one guy try to use for various reasons) and yet they seem to be the hardest to find updated info on. Like post from 3 years ago were very gun ho on the various product that featured copulins. and then I guess copulins were taking away to improve their quality, but it seem since then discussion have been continued on about the pheromone itself but not about what products they are in now. Also there seems back then there were alot more women specific commerical products, yet now there is only 2.. why is that? Sorry I should have been more clear when mentioning that copulins is what put the jerk in IJ. Androtics discontinued the use of copulins in there formulas because they could not find a formula that met there quality standards. The old IJ had copulins in it and so did Dirty which was the oil version. The new one is primarily high anone and thats it. Frankly to me its a whole different product now. We buy pure copulins over at Love Scent. Its called EOW (Essence of Women) Meo Est and EST are two very very different molecules that have no real connection. Both EST and A1 have patents when used “in a mix” by Exox until March of 2012. AD wont violate that and they cant use it in a mix so they dont stock it. What they plan to do after that date is a guess. Other companies violate it all the time though. **EST ( Estratetraenol**,) is excellent for females and I buy it as a single molecule. You can get it over at Liquid Alchemy which I trust and a few others I am not allowed to mention here. Just be careful when buying from companies we cant mention here. Some are good and some are shady. Ask an old timer. **Meo Est ( Methoxyestratetraenone)** is not made naturally by humans except in the inflamed tissue of breast cancer patients. In all likelihood it wont give you cancer because it doesn’t cause it but its a result of damaged tissue. Its also abundant in pregnant horses under the name Equilin. They make menopause meds with it for estrogen replacement. I just dont like it. Bad Karma LOL Tisha ---
**Author:** ![sireric123](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@sireric123](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sireric123)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/11 "2011-09-21T10:02:37Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Meo Est and EST are two very very different molecules that have no real connection. Both EST and A1 have patents when used “in a mix” by Exox until March of 2012. AD wont violate that and they cant use it in a mix so they dont stock it. What they plan to do after that date is a guess. Other companies violate it all the time though. > > **EST ( Estratetraenol**,) is excellent for females and I buy it as a single molecule. You can get it over at Liquid Alchemy which I trust and a few others I am not allowed to mention here. Just be careful when buying from companies we cant mention here. Some are good and some are shady. Ask an old timer. > > **Meo Est ( Methoxyestratetraenone)** is not made naturally by humans except in the inflamed tissue of breast cancer patients. In all likelihood it wont give you cancer because it doesn’t cause it but its a result of damaged tissue. Its also abundant in pregnant horses under the name Equilin. They make menopause meds with it for estrogen replacement. I just dont like it. Bad Karma LOL > > Tisha so comparatively speaking est is used more a social.. where as copulins are used more like for alpha & sexual? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 10:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/12 "2011-09-21T10:18:40Z")
> [@sireric123](#): > > so comparatively speaking est is used more a social.. where as copulins are used more like for alpha & sexual? Hmm sort of, EST can be social but not in a chatty sort of way like anol. Its increases attentiveness and caring. People want to interact with you more and be around you. Copulins produce arousal in men but they dont indicate a Alpha vibe. Scientific evidence in the Astrid Jutte studies showed mens testosterone levels spiked by 150% when exposed to copulins. Not so much when they smelled it without the presence of a female but combined with a visual aid of a women. Its a chemical reaction involving more then one of our senses. Men exposed to women wearing copulins and asked to score their attractiveness, scored women wearing copulins higher then those without, indicating it conveys a youthful visual attraction vibe as well. It explains male female interactions in many ways and why older guys go for younger women generally. Women stop making copulins as they get closer to menopause or perimenopause. The fertility signal (mating call) dwindles. Men on the other hand can procreate to much higher ages because they are not the carriers and remain fertile. Its instinctual for men to procreate even if our conscious minds say " No I dont want kids" so men are naturally attracted to the younger fertile bunch. Just like with all other mammals. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/13 "2011-09-21T15:11:12Z")
You should probably P78. It seems to be a great candidate for “TUTH for women”. I’ve been doing research on P78 for some time now. The day before I recieved it I read that it was for women to attract men. It makes men feel sensual. ---
**Author:** ![roundabouting](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@roundabouting](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roundabouting)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/14 "2011-09-22T07:29:05Z")
Hey, thanks guys for replying to my post! Tisha23 you are an absolute fount of knowledge! 😃 Unfortunately I started getting blurry-eyed when when terms like est and copulins were getting thrown about, lol. But I guess that knowledge just comes from experience and a lot more reading. I bought the to go TUTH just to try it out, but will just pass it off to a friend if I don’t like it. Unfortunately, it seems like I don’t get any self-effects from any of the products I’ve tried. I really wanted [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) for its self-effects but I just seem to get a headache from the scent. I don’t know if its the neroli but that seems to be how I feel with most of the products even when I try to cover the scent. Instant Openess doesn’t seem to bother me as much though. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 9:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/15 "2011-09-22T09:14:59Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > You should probably P78. It seems to be a great candidate for “TUTH for women”. I’ve been doing research on P78 for some time now. > > The day before I recieved it I read that it was for women to attract men. It makes men feel sensual. Interesting. I really like P78 its a regular in my arsenal now. I see a increase in affection and attention but no arousal though so I cant dub it female TUTH. The only thing I have used that even comes close to that is copulins. TUTH really doesn’t attract women. It has no pull. It arouses women. Thats why its best used with those who are comfortable with you and know you. The attraction already exists. > [@](#): > > Unfortunately, it seems like I don’t get any self-effects from any of the products I’ve tried. I really wanted Instant Shine for its self-effects but I just seem to get a headache from the scent. I don’t know if its the neroli but that seems to be how I feel with most of the products even when I try to cover the scent. Instant Openess doesn’t seem to bother me as much though. Many people dont get self effects. [Pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) work in the subconscious mind. Your conscious they are there because you applied them. I consider most self effects placebo unless felt in blind testing. This is not to take away from the feeling. If something makes you feel happy then no matter how that happiness occurs its still happy so its all good. The headache with Ishine is normal as well and usually subsides after a few uses. Dont worry your brain is perfectly safe. Its sort of like a caffeine headache its from rapid stimulation of the neurotransmitters. Once the body adapts to caffeine those headaches disappear. Same with Ishine. Most of the others dont cause this effect. Some tricks with Ishine. Dont inhale it wet. Spray to the back of your head or neck so your not inhaling it in such a concentration. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![roundabouting](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ba9def/32.png) [@roundabouting](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/roundabouting)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 9:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-for-women/52315/16 "2011-09-22T09:44:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Many people dont get self effects. Pheromone work in the subconscious mind. Your conscious they are there because you applied them. I consider most self effects placebo unless felt in blind testing. This is not to take away from the feeling. If something makes you feel happy then no matter how that happiness occurs its still happy so its all good. > > The headache with Instant Shine is normal as well and usually subsides after a few uses. Dont worry your brain is perfectly safe. Its sort of like a caffeine headache its from rapid stimulation of the neurotransmitters. Once the body adapts to caffeine those headaches disappear. Same with Instant Shine. Most of the others dont cause this effect. > > Some tricks with Instant Shine. Dont inhale it wet. Spray to the back of your head or neck so your not inhaling it in such a concentration. > > Tisha Thanks Tisha! That was super helpful, I thought I was the odd-man-out because it seems that everyone raves about how great Intant Shine makes them and others feel, and all it made me want to do was take an aspirin.