# Turn Up The Heat - Results last night... **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 30, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911 "2009-09-30T15:51:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/1 "2009-09-30T15:51:05Z")
Emma came over last night…guess I’ll start from the beginning… Applied 2 Sprays of IH and IO to my neck, and one TUTH to back of the neck. She got there, and we heated up some mozzarella sticks. Heavy flirting was going on between all of us, lots of sexual comments and laughing. Sticks got done, Wifey took her time on hers and they got cold. I went to go microwave them, and the girls started giggling. Figured they were just screwing around. I went upstairs to hit the bathroom and heard a lot of laughing. Good times. Emma went out for a smoke, Wifey and I followed. It was cold out…Wifey was in short and a shirt. No bra. Was obvious she was cold LOL. Emma commented on it, I was standing behind Wifey trying to keep her warm, arms around her. I hiked up her shirt to expose her belly to the breeze (yes, I am an ass). She said if I was going to lift up her shirt, I might as well do it all the way, so I did. Wifey then told Emma she could touch her if she wanted, so Emma got a handful. We all went back inside, and it got kind of awkward. Emma was quiet, Wifey was watching TV, and I was like wtf. Was looking at Emma, trying to read her body language when she looked at me and told me to stop looking at her “like that”. No clue what that meant. A bit later we were all chatting again and I made some comment about Wifey’s boobs. Emma snapped back “Are boobs all you think about?” She left about a half hour later. Turns out when I went to the bathroom earlier in the evening Emma took that time to give Wifey an extended view of her boobs. Again, without me around. Combine that with her comments…I don’t think she likes me that much. I feel like an obstacle. Wifey and I stayed up until 2Am talking about it all. Got a message from Emma this morning saying she had fun, and then confided in me how screwed up in the head she is, which I already knew about. Not sure what to do right now. Wifey feels things should continue as they are, maybe it will get more clear where I stand with Emma. This shit is complicated. Good thing the IS and A314 was there this morning to help me get going. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/2 "2009-09-30T16:32:05Z")
Hey that’s a great way to be breaking the ice…take her top off !!! Good start so far. And perhaps Emma reacts strongly to TUTH? Her comments make me think she may have been regarding you as a total horndog. You seem to be doing really good, so I hesitate to give you any advice. However, in a situation like that I would have used the excuse “I can’t help but look at you, i’m thinking of how sexy you two would be together…” this lets you be honest about what you are really thinking and will move things along quickly if they are ready. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/3 "2009-09-30T16:41:54Z")
This is a pretty amazing report. You are a devil for lifting up the wife’s shirt 🙂. LOL kind of reminds me of my actions and what I do. From reading your report I would say Emma is feeling maybe just a bit awkward herself. Her txt about how she was screwed up in the head should have you replying with how much you and wife enjoyed her company so much and are excited about the next time. In other words forget she made that comment and ignore it. Certainly what ever you do don’t reinforce it. She is basically looking for your reassurance that she is very normal and not a slut. Give it to her 😉. I would also suggest next time to start with one spray of TUTH, just like you did, but as the night progresses amp that up another one, maybe even two more for three total. Experiment and see what works. I have found that the best way to get a threesome going is Neil Strauss": > [@](#): > > “ **Dual Induction Massage** ” > > Some of you may have pieced this together already from Jlaix and Chessclub’s FRs, but here, for the archives and for posterity, is the step-by-step Dual Induction Massage Sure-Fire Threesome Routine, with credit given where credit is due. > > This to me is the biggest breakthrough I’ve had in the last year. Once you cross this barrier (as Jlaix knows), there’s no going back. It changes your whole PU life. No longer are you going out trying to just get a LR, but to bring two of the right women together for a dual induction massage. This all began one night at the ProHo mansion, when an FB was over and an MLTR did a drop-by. I was in Herbal 's room, sitting there with them both vibing each other, trying to figure out what to do. I went outside and talked to Mystery , and asked him which girl I should get rid of. > Fortunately, Mystery had just been at David D’s DYD seminar. And a gentleman there had talked about getting threesomes by having two girls massage him at the same time. We looked into Herbal 's room, at the two of them talking, and Mystery suggested a couple tactics. I decided, what the fuck, I had nothing to lose. > I took them both up to my room to watch a fun home video clips that I was in. We all lay on the bed, and watched it. > So, here are the steps, once you have them on your bed. Of course, make sure the lights are low and the mood is romantic and comfortable, without being an obvious seduction/plan. > > STEP ONE: Tell them, genuinely, “I just experienced the most amazing thing. I went to San Diego and hung out with my friend Steve, who’s like a guru and a shaman, and an amazing guy. And he had two of his students perform a dual induction massage on me. Their hands were moving in perfect synchronization on me, and because your conscious mind can’t follow all those movements, it just disconnects and you feel like there are thousands of hands on you. It was amazing.” > [This is true: It was an amazing gift from Steve P., one of the really great and powerful guys I’ve met through this community.] > Now, ideally, the HB getting the massage should be the one who would get the most jealous. She needs to get the attention first to feel comfortable. Also, to make sure this goes smoothly, it’s best if this is someone you’ve \*closed or !closed before. It’s best to leave her shirt ON, and just do it over the shirt. > Next, tell the HB who’s doing the massaging that she must follow your hand movements exactly and move in exact synchronization. (I’d recommend taking a seminar in Swedish massage to learn how to do a nice backrub; if you’re in NY, try the Open Center; anywhere else, just do a Learning Annex course.) > > STEP TWO: Next, say it’s your turn. Take off your shirt, and lie on your stomach. And definitely show appreciation for what they are doing. > > STEP THREE: Afterward, say that it’s the third girl’s turn. Help her out of her shirt, or ask her to take off her shit while she’s facing away from you (if she’s shy), and have her lie on her stomach. > On this girl, you can make the massage more erotic. Go around the breasts and butt and thighs, WITHOUT actually touching any private parts. > > STEP FOUR: Now this is the key move. After you finish the massage, let her lay there on her stomach underneath you and the other girl. Pause a moment to build up a touch of tension, then start making out passionately with the other girl (the one who was just doing the massaging with you) over the back of the girl lying down. > Now, just gently turn the face of the girl lying down towards you. Kiss her. Then gently take the head of the other girl and bring it DOWN to the face of the girl lying on her stomach. If you’ve created the mood properly, they’ll just automatically start kissing. Join in for a threeway makeout, and it’s all over. > YOU have to be a conductor, and orchestrate everything. Turn over the girl who was being massaged last, and each take a breast. Then switch off girls. Then roll away and watch them go at it. Then get back in there and help them remove some clothes. Etc. Etc. > > However, this can NOT be about your pleasure. In the majority of cases, you are providing an excuse for the girls to get together. So if one of the girls is an MLTR or primary or main FB, make sure that it’s all about HER pleasure. You need to calibrate the comfort level of each girl the whole time. If you start trying to be a porn star too quickly or making it all about you (or making it too explicit where the massage is heading), this could backfire. That said, since I first figured it out (with respect to Mystery and Steve P), it hasn’t failed once. (Though there have been occasions where the energy wasn’t right to go into this dual induction massage.) Good Luck to the three of you 🙂, oh and BTW welcome to Reporting User Status! ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/4 "2009-09-30T17:38:55Z")
Thanks Steve…so far, this is the highlight of my day. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/5 "2009-09-30T17:48:19Z")
good report. dont get frustrated though… once you put forth an outward sign of frustration it will all backfire. you’re moving at a good pace… just keep on path ---
**Author:** ![K-Train](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k-train/32/2253_2.png) [@K-Train](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K-Train)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/6 "2009-09-30T18:07:53Z")
Great story man, but take Steve’s advice and you’ll get that wonderful threesome. Thankfully, you now have A314 so it will help you appear trustable and masculine which is the perfect combo needed for a threesome attempt. The A314 should buffer the none in TUTH and will keep you from looking like a horndog. All in all, make it happen captain!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/7 "2009-09-30T18:22:01Z")
Thanks guys. I need to keep in mind my wife’s comfort levels. She’s very sensitive about sharing me with anyone. I understand and respect that…I’ve always been the liberal one in the marriage. I’m working on things though…back before we were married we’d had group “fun” and she’s starting to lean back that way. All in time. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/8 "2009-10-01T13:51:11Z")
Haha, wow…I forgot how quickly my wife can adjust given a good environment. Yesterday we had a lot of discussion going on about our sex life and what we wanted. Totally not affected by pheros, because it was all over the phone and IMs! So, my wife is getting lots more comfortable with being bisexual. She’s been bi for a long time…like 10 years…but repressed it for most of that time. Finally got her out of her shell, and the walls are coming down fast. She _wants_ to play with Emma, and has even given me permission to touch and be touched by Emma, as long as it doesn’t get out of hand. Wow. However…Emma’s got some issues to work on. She just got free of a long term abusive relationship and has some mental issues because of that. She’s stable, but sensitive. She told me she thinks I’m a great guy with a good heart, she just needs to figure out where I fall into everything. I guess she has two quasi boyfriends as well, so I’m kind of the third guy. The wife and I have agreed we want Emma to be included occasionally in our playtime, so I need to get higher on Emma’s sexual Ladder (Ladder Theory actually makes a lot of sense.) So I’m considering changing my phero signature when she is around. Available at my disposal are: IG, IS, IH, IO, IJ, TUTH, Spaceland, and A314. I am considering using IH and IO (seems to be great at getting the ladies to open up) and maybe get a rush order of [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). The reading I have done seems to point to P83 helping to bring down the barriers. If that’s right, I’ll probably ordering some ASAP. Any other suggestions would be appriciated as far as other items to try instead of P83 if my research is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/9 "2009-10-01T15:54:13Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > A bit later we were all chatting again and I made some comment about Wifey’s boobs. Emma snapped back “Are boobs all you think about?” umm… yea lol 🙄 It sounds to me that Emma is a lot more protective of herself with you, and maybe with men in general… I wouldn’t take it as an attack or anything, i’d keep going the way you’re going and something is bound to happen, the sexual tension is certainly already there. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/10 "2009-10-01T15:58:10Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > umm… yea lol 🙄 > > It sounds to me that Emma is a lot more protective of herself with you, and maybe with men in general… I wouldn’t take it as an attack or anything, i’d keep going the way you’re going and something is bound to happen, the sexual tension is certainly already there. Meo-Est will definitely help and P96 is amazing as well. ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/11 "2009-10-01T16:03:33Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > umm… yea lol 🙄 > > It sounds to me that Emma is a lot more protective of herself with you, and maybe with men in general… I wouldn’t take it as an attack or anything, i’d keep going the way you’re going and something is bound to happen, the sexual tension is certainly already there. Actaully, after talking I found out it was a joke. Emma is a damn good actress, part of a successful local theater company. /headdesk ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/12 "2009-10-01T17:03:32Z")
> [@Snoopyace](#): > > Meo-Est will definitely help and P96 is amazing as well. I hope the Meo-Est will be in stock again soon ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/13 "2009-10-01T17:52:17Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > I hope the Meo-Est will be in stock again soon It is…well, something with it’s name is. [Methoxyestratetraenone :: Putative Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://phera.com/) The Meo-Est auto link takes you what looks like the Experimone Product. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 5:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/14 "2009-10-01T17:52:59Z")
oh, pfft… thanks a ton Caelas!! ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/15 "2009-10-01T18:01:30Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > oh, pfft… thanks a ton Caelas!! Haha anytime! ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/16 "2009-10-01T18:03:27Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > Haha anytime! hey i dont suppose you have a recommendation for scent with meo-est.. i dont know what to get.. i guess im thinking between neroli or akuto… all the rest are food smells and i’m already hungry enough at is is lmao ---
**Author:** ![Caelas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/caelas/32/381_2.png) [@Caelas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Caelas)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/17 "2009-10-01T18:13:28Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > hey i dont suppose you have a recommendation for scent with meo-est.. > i dont know what to get.. i guess im thinking between neroli or akuto… all the rest are food smells and i’m already hungry enough at is is lmao I grabbed [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) because it won the coin toss, no kidding. Didn’t want to smell like food either, though cookies sound good right now. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/18 "2009-10-01T18:23:21Z")
> [@Caelas](#): > > I grabbed Akuto because it won the coin toss, no kidding. Didn’t want to smell like food either, though cookies sound good right now. for sure… i would totally crunch a cookie right now ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/19 "2009-10-01T18:28:27Z")
all this talk of cookies i making me want to go check the vending machine thanks =P ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911/20 "2009-10-01T19:05:20Z")
150mcg meo-est & 60mcg P96 will spice it up nicely [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-results-last-night/32911.md?page=2)